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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    No: I don't care enough
    Valid point, it would do the exact same job.

    Prove it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭Sconsey


    No: other
    Valid point, it would do the exact same job.

    The exact same job? clueless as usual.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,298 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Yes: valved
    joeguevara wrote: »
    HOLD ON A SECOND - ARE YOU SAYING I SHOULDN'T BE USING LEECHES AND BLOODLETTING?

    Jeez no, that's out of fashion. I'm stockpiling on chicken. Voodoo only now, it works friend of mine told me :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    xhomelezz wrote: »
    Jeez no, that's out of fashion. I'm stockpiling on chicken. Voodoo only now, it works friend of mine told me :D

    Ooooh fancy. Im sticking to my leech guy. He was there 3 months before your voodoo guy. Why would I change.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,298 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Yes: valved
    joeguevara wrote: »
    Ooooh fancy. Im sticking to my leech guy. He was there 3 months before your voodoo guy. Why would I change.

    :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    The mandatory mask wearing in Spain came in AS A RESULT of the number of cases increasing. Their introduction and mandatory status is down to each autonomous community too, so it's not true to say it's been the case for weeks "in Spain".

    That's not true. There have been spikes and increases in cases since masks have been mandatory. It is a simple statement of face that there is no direct correlation btw masks and a reductions in the number of cases.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,631 ✭✭✭Tork


    Yes: to protect others
    Please provide us with some sources for this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    No: I don't care enough
    That's not true. There have been spikes and increases in cases since masks have been mandatory. It is a simple statement of face that there is no direct correlation btw masks and a reductions in the number of cases.

    Prove it.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    No: I don't care enough
    .... And don't forget to include the details on what other things were being opened up and relaxed at the same times in Spain. Wouldn't want anyone to be trying to blame masks for an increase in cases that was actually down to bars reopening or anything like that.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    No: I don't care enough
    Scotland has been wearing masks for several weeks now, but today Aberdeen is being locked down again to a certain level due to a spike in cases.

    Is this spike in cases caused by:
    a) people wearing masks
    b) people hanging out in bars
    c) pirates/ the spaghetti monster


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,071 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    That's not true. There have been spikes and increases in cases since masks have been mandatory. It is a simple statement of face that there is no direct correlation btw masks and a reductions in the number of cases.

    There is, when its impact is assessed independent of other factors.
    So there is a positive correlation.

    You ignore the lessons of Japan, Czech Republic, and the difference in case growth in US states with masks versus without, as cited by the CDC in updating their advice.

    Cases dropped in care and health settings in Ireland when general mask use policies were rolled out.

    All these points have been raised and none have been rebutted by you.
    The correlation is there and is why health authority after health authority is updating its advice to wear masks.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,631 ✭✭✭Tork


    Yes: to protect others
    From the Thorax medical journal - you can see the droplets from speaking, coughing and sneezing through different mask types.

    F1.large.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,298 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Yes: valved
    Overheal wrote: »
    Prove it.

    He did already. You missed that part, where he says THAT'S NOT TRUE :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭jobeenfitz


    Yes: surgical
    I'm sure most people don't like wearing masks. I don't. I don't worry too much about getting this virus but I will try not to. I'm on the train from Galway to Dublin, everyone I've seen is wearing a mask but ten to twenty percent have masks off mouth and nose.

    Do we Irish lack intelligence? We are in an enclosed area with no windows. Why not wear mask properly, it's not a huge imposition IMO.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,523 ✭✭✭circadian


    Yes: other
    Tork wrote: »
    From the Thorax medical journal - you can see the droplets from speaking, coughing and sneezing through different mask types.

    F1.large.jpg

    Deep state something. Soros used Bill Gates' Photoshop licence to do that up.

    OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE!

    proceeds to call everyone tinfoil hatters


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    robinph wrote: »
    Scotland has been wearing masks for several weeks now, but today Aberdeen is being locked down again to a certain level due to a spike in cases.

    Is this spike in cases caused by:
    a) people wearing masks
    b) people hanging out in bars
    c) pirates/ the spaghetti monster

    You've just proved my argument. Likewise if cases fall, is that because of pirates or face masks because you can't have it both ways?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,631 ✭✭✭Tork


    Yes: to protect others
    Tickers, what do you make of the image I posted above?

    F1.large.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    You've just proved my argument. Likewise if cases fall, is that because of pirates or face masks because you can't have it both ways?

    I don't think you come out of this well. You completely misunderstood the question and the what the correct answer was.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Tork wrote: »
    Tickers, what do you make of the image I posted above?

    F1.large.jpg

    What about it? Just because somebody shows you a scary photo you believe everything your told. As I said, coverings can reduce transmission for the most part are ineffective.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    No: I don't care enough
    You've just proved my argument. Likewise if cases fall, is that because of pirates or face masks because you can't have it both ways?

    Do a Google for "pirates global warming" and learn something.

    Here is a link explaining the links to get you started:
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikaandersen/2012/03/23/true-fact-the-lack-of-pirates-is-causing-global-warming/


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,631 ✭✭✭Tork


    Yes: to protect others
    Is a scientific journal not good enough for you? https://thorax.bmj.com/content/early/2020/07/24/thoraxjnl-2020-215748


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,237 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Yes: homemade
    What about it? Just because somebody shows you a scary photo you believe everything your told. As I said, coverings can reduce transmission for the most part are ineffective.

    And so we should believe the unsubstantiated nonsense instead. You're clutching at straws with every post.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    What about it? Just because somebody shows you a scary photo you believe everything your told. As I said, coverings can reduce transmission for the most part are ineffective.

    So essentially you are saying that reduction of transmission is ineffective.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    No: I don't care enough
    What about it? Just because somebody shows you a scary photo you believe everything your told. As I said, coverings can reduce transmission for the most part are ineffective.

    Can you re-write this sentence into something that makes sense please.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    robinph wrote: »
    Can you re-write this sentence into something that makes sense please.

    They said that reduction of transmission is ineffective. I will say that again, Tickers point is that reduction of transmission is ineffective.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    joeguevara wrote: »
    I don't think you come out of this well. You completely misunderstood the question and the what the correct answer was.

    Not really because you cannot say face masks reduce cases and when people start wearing masks the number of cases increase, then the number of cases fall and same people will say that's because of mandatory face masks so which it because you can't have it both ways? It just proves that face masks are an ineffective measure because you can catch the virus anyway unless you stay inside and don't leave your house.

    More people are wearing face masks and the number of cases increases therefore there is no direct correlation btw face masks and a decrease in the number of cases.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Not really because you cannot say face masks reduce cases and when people start wearing masks the number of cases increase, then the number of cases fall and same people will say that's because of mandatory face masks so which it because you can't have it both ways? It just proves that face masks are an ineffective measure because you can catch the virus anyway unless you stay inside and don't leave your house.

    More people are wearing face masks and the number of cases increases therefore there is no direct correlation btw face masks and a decrease in the number of cases.

    Kendrick Jolly Ibex you can get hit by a truck unless you don't leave your home. However the more steps you take when you leave the home not to get hit by a truck means you are less likely to hit get hit by one.

    YOU LITERALLY HAVE STATED THAT REDUCTION OF TRANSMISSION IS INEFFECTIVE.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,631 ✭✭✭Tork


    Yes: to protect others
    So you know better than scientists who are trying to find out how far droplets travel with and without facemasks? What science credentials do you have? A degree? Masters? PhD?

    Also https://www.livescience.com/face-mask-visualization-droplets-covid-19.html

    A dramatic new visualization shows exactly why it's a good idea to wear a face mask to prevent the spread of the new coronavirus.

    Without a mask, droplets produced during coughing can travel up to 12 feet (3.7 meters), the visualization revealed, but with a mask, this distance is reduced to just a few inches in the best cases.

    The simulation, which was described today (June 30) in the journal Physics of Fluids, also reveals that some cloth masks work better than others at stopping the spread of potentially infectious droplets.

    "The visuals used in our study can help convey to the general public the rationale behind social-distancing guidelines and recommendations for using face masks," study lead author Siddhartha Verma, an assistant professor at Florida Atlantic University's College of Engineering and Computer Science, said in a statement.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    robinph wrote: »
    Can you re-write this sentence into something that makes sense please.

    You can dig a giant hole with a shovel, you will make progress and we can prove scientifically that the shovel is having impact and removing dirt from the hole but the impact is minimal. That is your mask.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    No: I don't care enough
    joeguevara wrote: »
    They said that reduction of transmission is ineffective. I will say that again, Tickers point is that reduction of transmission is ineffective.

    :confused:

    I thought that was what they were writing but couldn't believe it was what they actually meant as it is so profoundly idiotic.

    Reducing the transmission of a virus that it's not possible to detect until after you've had it for a few days and so transmitting it to others in the meantime isn't an effective way of reducing the transmission?!?!?! :confused::confused::confused:

    Not enough :confused: emojis for this.


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