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Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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  • #5732
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,766 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Arghus wrote: »
    Numerous holes in the plans for reopening schools alright, but I still think keeping the pubs closed is the right thing to do.


    Economically no, health-wise yes.

    Either way, the schools will be disastrous, calling it now. I give them a month.


  • #5733
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,252 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    jojofizzio wrote: »
    New girl on Prime Time a very poor interviewer....same last week

    Thought she was terrible as well.


  • #5734
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,231 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    There's not a hope social distancing will be maintained in schools. Not a chance.

    More so than in pubs however. I'd take the chance on proper adherence in schools over pubs, after some of the flaunting of regulations in the food pubs so far. I'd also value kids getting an education before having my much missed pint.


  • #5735
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,883 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    jojofizzio wrote: »
    New girl on Prime Time a very poor interviewer....same last week

    She’s atrocious. Byrne. Wonder is she related to Claire? She’s equally dim with no opinions or insights


  • #5736
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,883 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    More so than in pubs however. I'd take the chance on proper adherence in schools over pubs, after some of the flaunting of regulations in the food pubs so far. I'd also value kids getting an education before having my much missed pint.

    Aren’t you a wonderful virtue signaller? Won’t someone please think of the children


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  • #5737
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,766 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    More so than in pubs however. I'd take the chance on proper adherence in schools over pubs, after some of the flaunting of regulations in the food pubs so far. I'd also value kids getting an education before having my much missed pint.
    I'm not saying the pubs should be open. I couldn't care less, personally. I just don't like how they think it's going to help schools when the school plan is literal mumbo-jumbo.


  • #5738
    gifted
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,053 ✭✭✭gifted


    road_high wrote: »
    She’s atrocious. Byrne. Wonder is she related to Claire? She’s equally dim with no opinions or insights

    She's brutal....


  • #5739
    PokeHerKing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,935 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    GazzaL wrote: »
    Many people are more likely to infect themselves with COVID or other illnesses through incorrect mask usage.

    No, no.. No they're not. Really. The mind Boggles at times.


  • #5740
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,583 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    John O.Groats wrote: »
    That will change soon enough.

    Be careful what you wish for, in Israel they seem to think that the fact that the children s mask were hung together on a hook (obviously) helped spread the virus, if children are required to wear masks there needs to be guidance on storage etc.


  • #5741
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    normanoffside wrote: »
    The thing I don't get is that the things causing the surges (food factories and Direct provision centres) are what were always deemed essential services and were never closed in the first place.

    Those cases have nothing to do with restrictions in any phase yet the solution seems to be deemed to delay things like opening pubs fully or allowing larger outdoor gatherings which haven't been causing any cases in the first place.

    The outdoor gathering thing really bothers me, lots of people want to do a road race or go watch a match and there is no evidence whatsoever that such things cause infections but are effectively getting the blame.

    This is a very good point tbh. Pubs do sound like a bad idea, but the numbers now are from things that are open and have been opened the whole time. Two ways of looking at it, factories are a risk and the ones this week have just been lucky so far, or, maybe this was happening the whole time and as testing improves and becomes more accessible we’re finding and tracing better? Either way, there is a limit on the number of people in such occupations, adding pubs adds a lot more potential for those in higher risk jobs to mix with others. So it technically still could be meat factories fault that you get a cluster in a pub. That’s probably stretching it a bit. But adding pubs is adding another degree of social interaction which we know in general is more risk.
    Gruffalox wrote: »
    Bad and all as it is to have this pandemic and all the uncertainty into the future at least we are riding it out here in reasonable comfort. Imagine being in Beirut tonight. Or India. Or the favelas of Brazil. I really think we should maintain perspective.

    Another good point. What always gets me is that we’ve a similar seroprevalence to Spain and perhaps (debatably) Italy, but what I had imagined I my head of day to day life in Italy is very different from the “comfort” I’m experiencing here.
    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    I've seen kids wearing face masks.

    Under 13s exempt as far as I remember. My 4yo daughter will wear one because she wants to be like Mammy and daddy, it’s a bit of a grim reality but I certainly won’t stop her.


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  • #5742
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    Case numbers have been in the up for how long? Deaths aren't following.Australie lock down millions simply because 7 people between the ages of 60 and 90 died.
    I'm sorry if I annoy people, but this is being handled wrong. This illness is not as serious as its being played out.Will people regret this lockdown method when anarchy breaks out?

    Stop protecting the health service and start utilizing it


  • #5743
    Wild Field 1831
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 111 ✭✭Wild Field 1831


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Stephen Donnolly - Cases being driven by 8 clusters, 4 factories, 4 direct provision centres. Described as significant clusters

    Selective hearing.. The rest of his statement..

    Stephen Donnelly- Community transmission remains at 20%. Therefore we have 2.5 times more community transmission cases than a month ago.


  • #5744
    Speak Now
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,775 ✭✭✭Speak Now


    Rebelbrowser wrote: »
    Well they weren't supposed to open unless work couldn't be done remotely. That was to ease in phase 4. Small offices are fully open but all the big accountants and law offices are working from home save for essential staff (finance dept, IT dept, etc).

    That's a vague guidance, all our office staff on site.


  • #5745
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,766 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Wild Field 1831 wrote: »
    Selective hearing.. The rest of his statement..

    Stephen Donnelly- Community transmission remains at 20%. Therefore we have 2.5 times more community transmission cases than a month ago.
    And 1/3 less than average


  • #5746
    Wild Field 1831
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 111 ✭✭Wild Field 1831


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    And 1/3 less than average

    No! Cases have gone up by 2.5, including community transmission cases.


  • #5747
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,766 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Wild Field 1831 wrote: »
    No! Cases have gone up by 2.5, including community transmission cases.
    Community transmission cases are 1/3 or more less than average. Average is 31% of cases.


  • #5748
    maebee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,761 ✭✭✭maebee


    What Username Guidelines

    Under 13s exempt as far as I remember. My 4yo daughter will wear one because she wants to be like Mammy and daddy, it’s a bit of a grim reality but I certainly won’t stop her.

    That's brilliant :)


  • #5749
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,252 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Community transmission cases are 1/3 or more less than average. Average is 31% of cases.

    But 1/3 of a bigger figure is still a bigger figure.


  • #5750
    Wild Field 1831
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 111 ✭✭Wild Field 1831


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Community transmission cases are 1/3 or more less than average. Average is 31% of cases.

    It's pointless trying to debate here.

    The weekly average is up to 53. Regardless of whether community transmission is below average, in layman's terms there are a lot more community cases around than a month ago. 2.5 times more.


  • #5751
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,766 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Arghus wrote: »
    But 1/3 of a bigger figure is still a bigger figure.
    In March we went into lockdown becuase 60-70% of cases were community transmission.
    We're seeing 20% (even though they reported 4 out of 45 today which is not 20%, 5 out of 46 yesterday which is also not 20%) in 4 counties.
    Yesterday Prof. Nolan tweeted we're very positive about transmission and now Donnelly's out saying the opposite.
    I'm sure you can see what I'm saying here, there's a clear breakdown in communication.


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  • #5752
    Wild Field 1831
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 111 ✭✭Wild Field 1831


    Arghus wrote: »
    But 1/3 of a bigger figure is still a bigger figure.

    Exactly :D There's looking for a silver lining and whatever this is.


  • #5753
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,883 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    In March we went into lockdown becuase 60-70% of cases were community transmission.
    We're seeing 20% (even though they reported 4 out of 45 today which is not 20%, 5 out of 46 yesterday which is also not 20%) in 4 counties.
    Yesterday Prof. Nolan tweeted we're very positive about transmission and now Donnelly's out saying the opposite.
    I'm sure you can see what I'm saying here, there's a clear breakdown in communication.

    Or they don’t know their arse from their elbows. Especially true with mouthy Donnelly.


  • #5754
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,252 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    In March we went into lockdown becuase 60-70% of cases were community transmission.
    We're seeing 20% (even though they reported 4 out of 45 today which is not 20%, 5 out of 46 yesterday which is also not 20%) in 4 counties.
    Yesterday Prof. Nolan tweeted we're very positive about transmission and now Donnelly's out saying the opposite.
    I'm sure you can see what I'm saying here, there's a clear breakdown in communication.

    Saying things were worse in March doesn't fill me with a lot of encouragement!

    I understand your point about the ratio of community transmission cases staying constant, but the problem seems to be that in absolute terms they are still rising and they are popping up in different areas across the country.


  • #5755
    lukas8888
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 529 ✭✭✭lukas8888


    road_high wrote: »
    She’s atrocious. Byrne. Wonder is she related to Claire? She’s equally dim with no opinions or insights
    Claire Byrne dim, are you serious.


  • #5756
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,766 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Wild Field 1831 wrote: »
    Exactly :D There's looking for a silver lining and whatever this is.
    I'm not sure why you're saying I'm looking for a silver lining when I'm literally criticising the government for not being transparent about community transmission figures. They're giving one figure in the press releases and tweeting saying all is good and then in the media saying the opposite.


  • #5757
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,766 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Arghus wrote: »
    Saying things were worse in March doesn't fill me with a lot of encouragement!

    I understand your point about the ratio of community transmission cases staying constant, but the problem seems to be that in absolute terms they are still rising and they are popping up in different areas across the country.
    They said 2 days ago the community transmission cases are coming from 4 counties.
    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1289895344612900865?s=20

    Before anyone says, I'm not trying to sugarcoat, I'm trying to make sense of the ****e they're giving us.


  • #5758
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    where did this latest narrative of "sure they're only clusters, it's grand" come from? these groups of people aren't in complete isolation from the wider community, we've been out of lockdown for a while now. they are visiting friends, going on holidays etc just like everyone else. bizarre take on things.


  • #5759
    Scoondal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭Scoondal


    http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7NlFWh7Sz8


  • #5760
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,233 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    This is a very good point tbh. Pubs do sound like a bad idea, but the numbers now are from things that are open and have been opened the whole time. Two ways of looking at it, factories are a risk and the ones this week have just been lucky so far, or, maybe this was happening the whole time and as testing improves and becomes more accessible we’re finding and tracing better? Either way, there is a limit on the number of people in such occupations, adding pubs adds a lot more potential for those in higher risk jobs to mix with others. So it technically still could be meat factories fault that you get a cluster in a pub. That’s probably stretching it a bit. But adding pubs is adding another degree of social interaction which we know in general is more risk.


    I'm not against keeping pubs and certainly nightclubs shut but keeping them closed will only lead to
    a) them all opening anyway and serving chicken fillet rolls from the local Centra
    b) staying closed and loads of uncontrolled house parties.

    The outdoor gatherings for sport thing however is Ludicrous.
    There is no evidence that outdoor gatherings cause any infection, certainly not having 450 at a football match in a stadium that holds several thousands. It's been almost universally accepted that there is minimal risk of infection in outdoor settings.

    Small clubs around the country such as GAA clubs relying on a few hundred paying spectators or athletics clubs which had fundraising races planned are going to be hammered by this.


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  • #5761
    Santy2015
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭Santy2015


    Okay I’ll post this again! This is what Professor Nolan said last nights. Donnelly said the opposite just a while ago. They’re making it up to suit their narrative and I really f**king hope they’re not listening to absolute f**kwits like Staines and Killeen. Possibly two of the biggest twats I’ll ever see or hear!!!
    https://twitter.com/president_mu/status/1290403171865681920?s=21


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