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Second Captains Part II

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  • #2
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,625 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    So fresh and so clean.


  • #3
    dulpit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,397 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    wnolan1992 wrote: »
    Pfft, second thread, first thread, whatever.

    tenor.gif


  • #4
    Brock Turnpike
    Registered Users Posts: 3,756 ✭✭✭Brock Turnpike


    BM


  • #5
    PodcastReview
    Registered Users Posts: 10 ✭PodcastReview


    Is this a sports podcast?

    Or is it still one person reading aloud tweets, and waiting for some clever, wry comments from the two sidekicks?


  • #6
    Brock Turnpike
    Registered Users Posts: 3,756 ✭✭✭Brock Turnpike


    PodcastReview wrote: »
    Is this a sports podcast?

    Or is it still one person reading aloud tweets, and waiting for some clever, wry comments from the two sidekicks?

    Desperately misused username if you're asking that question. Off you pop


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  • #7
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,625 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    PodcastReview wrote: »
    Is this a sports podcast?

    Or is it still one person reading aloud tweets, and waiting for some clever, wry comments from the two sidekicks?

    Savage burn mate.


  • #8
    deisedude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,921 ✭✭✭deisedude


    PodcastReview wrote: »
    Is this a sports podcast?

    Or is it still one person reading aloud tweets, and waiting for some clever, wry comments from the two sidekicks?

    Send him off. Send the dirty got off. Get him walking


  • #9
    Ol' Donie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,673 ✭✭✭✭Ol' Donie


    PodcastReview wrote: »
    Is this a sports podcast?

    Or is it still one person reading aloud tweets, and waiting for some clever, wry comments from the two sidekicks?

    Yep, it's the sports podcast with the clever wry comments from the guys on it.

    Which is why is better than the million other sports podcasts with shìtty half arsed wannabe banter from the sidekicks.


  • #10
    jaykay74
    Registered Users Posts: 6,586 ✭✭✭jaykay74


    PodcastReview wrote: »
    Is this a sports podcast?

    Or is it still one person reading aloud tweets, and waiting for some clever, wry comments from the two sidekicks?

    Trying to be critical might be impossible...


  • #11
    dastardly00
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,457 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    PodcastReview wrote: »
    Is this a sports podcast?

    Or is it still one person reading aloud tweets, and waiting for some clever, wry comments from the two sidekicks?

    Hi Ger!

    *waves hand*


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  • #12
    NeftDaslari
    Registered Users Posts: 34 ✭NeftDaslari


    PodcastReview wrote: »
    Is this a sports podcast?

    Or is it still one person reading aloud tweets, and waiting for some clever, wry comments from the two sidekicks?

    I wouldn’t necessarily agree with anything PodcastReview says about podcasts


  • #13
    Brock Turnpike
    Registered Users Posts: 3,756 ✭✭✭Brock Turnpike


    dastardly00 wrote: »
    Hi Ger!

    *waves hand*

    Actually now that you mention Ger. Have ye heard the new OTB ad he does the voiceover for? Sounds like a pisstake with the pitch of his voice.


  • #14
    Obrieski
    Registered Users Posts: 457 ✭✭Obrieski


    Just caught up on the Sindo piece by Paul Kimmage. I wasn’t going to sign up for the series but having read that I definitely will. Fair play to Mark and the whole team, sounds like a huge amount of work has gone into it. Hope it goes well for all concerned


  • #15
    Obrieski
    Registered Users Posts: 457 ✭✭Obrieski


    Thought I was completely sick of the David Silva chat but today was golden!

    Although I am glad he’s gone and hopefully no more David Silva chat going forward!


  • #16
    yermandan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,068 ✭✭✭yermandan


    34 minutes in for those who want to skip the GAA chat and get to (hopefully the last ever mention of) the David Silva debate


  • #17
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,625 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    yermandan wrote: »
    34 minutes in for those who want to skip the GAA chat and get to (hopefully the last ever mention of) the David Silva debate

    Not all heroes wear capes.


  • #18
    Say Your Number
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,779 Mod ✭✭✭✭Say Your Number


    Christ, is there more Premier League talk today, it seems never ending.

    Rachel Denhollander was excellent yesterday, very grim, don't think I'd ever be that brave.


  • #19
    Obrieski
    Registered Users Posts: 457 ✭✭Obrieski


    Say Your Number wrote: »
    Christ, is there more Premier League talk today, it seems never ending.

    Rachel Denhollander was excellent yesterday, very grim, don't think I'd ever be that brave.

    Her story was shocking, I intend to watch Athlete A now as a result over the coming days. Gymnastics seems (from a distance) to be one of those ‘dodgy’ sports. You hear all the rumours of young children (Asian mainly) being taken from their families at extremely young ages and then cast aside at the first sniff of injury or a better prospect coming along. Got to feel incredibly sorry for children who get caught up in it with absolutely no guidance or support


  • #20
    thenightman
    Registered Users Posts: 561 ✭✭✭thenightman


    Say Your Number wrote: »
    Christ, is there more Premier League talk today, it seems never ending.

    Rachel Denhollander was excellent yesterday, very grim, don't think I'd ever be that brave.


    Rather the PL talk than dreary Oisin McConville and Murph banging on about U12's gah and the like.


  • #21
    Say Your Number
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,779 Mod ✭✭✭✭Say Your Number


    thenightman wrote: »
    Rather the PL talk than dreary Oisin McConville and Murph banging on about U12's gah and the like.

    In fairness you're lucky they devote hours to it every week, and 'gah' gets comparatively little coverage even during peak 'gah' season.


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  • #22
    yermandan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,068 ✭✭✭yermandan


    Arghus wrote: »
    Not all heroes wear capes.

    In fairness, as tedious as I have found the whole debate, today was worth every second.

    It reminded me so much of Ken's quote 'all I have is the factual information of what took place' or something similar in response to Giles' football men statement


  • #23
    dastardly00
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,457 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    Say Your Number wrote: »
    Christ, is there more Premier League talk today, it seems never ending.

    Rachel Denhollander was excellent yesterday, very grim, don't think I'd ever be that brave.

    Yeah she is an incredibly brave woman. I'd encourage all subscribers to listen to her interview and to watch Athlete A on Netflix. It's shocking and very sad at times, but it really is very important that as many people as possible are made aware of it


  • #24
    sheroman01
    Registered Users Posts: 4,685 ✭✭✭sheroman01


    Really enjoyed the podcast with David Walsh on his new book The Russian Affair. I wasn't interested at all in listening to it, especially as it was just Eoin on the pod, but it ended up being brilliant. They worked well together actually, David and Eoin. The story was told brilliantly, and what a story it is. Might even get the book now!


  • #25
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,625 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    NETHERLANDS FIVE!!!

    my ears

    my ears


  • #26
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,462 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    sheroman01 wrote: »
    Really enjoyed the podcast with David Walsh on his new book The Russian Affair.
    Wikipedia wrote:
    In 2017, Walsh gave a character reference for paedophile Tom Humphries during his trial.[20] In October 2017, Walsh apologised for what he said in a 2012 radio interview about the case but said he would remain friends with Humphries despite his conviction.[21]

    ho hum

    Scrap the cap!



  • #27
    Raoul Duke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    ho hum

    Is this relevant?


  • #28
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,462 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Raoul Duke wrote: »
    Is this relevant?

    I don't see why not, certain SC guests get slated on here merely because of the sound of their voice...

    Walsh wrote a book rightly condemning one criminal manipulator and abuser, while giving a character reference for and publicly saying he will stay friends with another and arguably much worse one. That's his entitlement, but it changes what I think about his integrity - that's my entitlement.

    Scrap the cap!



  • #29
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,625 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    I don't see why not, certain SC guests get slated on here merely because of the sound of their voice...

    Walsh wrote a book rightly condemning one criminal manipulator and abuser, while giving a character reference for and publicly saying he will stay friends with another and arguably much worse one. That's his entitlement, but it changes what I think about his integrity - that's my entitlement.

    I think, if I remember correctly, that Walsh wasn't fully aware of the severity of Tom Humphries crimes and had been given an extremely false picture of what had happened and even the nature of the charges that Humphries faced. I think he was hoodwinked to an extent. And a character witness can just be to say that you've known someone and you've known them to be a friend, decent person etc. It wouldn't have been false of Walsh to say this about Humphries, especially so if he was under false impressions about what Humphries had allegedly done.

    I don't attach much blame to Walsh in this instance - I think he was taken advantage of to be honest and he has apologised and says he regrets it. Surely that's enough?

    As for saying that he'd still be friends with Humphries. It's easy for me to say that there's no way I'd be like that in my life, but I don't know, I've never been faced with anything like that. If a friend of mine killed somebody or did something truly terrible would it be an absolute certainty that I'd turn my back on them and disown them completely? I think it's a much more complex decision than that.


  • #30
    Beersmith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭Beersmith


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    ho hum

    Those dates don't make sense do they?


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  • #31
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,462 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Sentencing was in 2017.

    I don't buy that Walsh as a sports journalist didn't know what was public knowledge by then.

    Scrap the cap!



  • #32
    ongarite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,279 ✭✭✭ongarite


    Arghus wrote: »
    NETHERLANDS FIVE!!!

    my ears

    my ears

    That rant was one of his best ever.
    Thanks Ken, 5 time World Cup winner.


  • #33
    humberklog
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,580 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    Player's Chair with Danny Rose.

    Nothing wrong as such and they can be worth a listen but they are nearly always totally bereft of some levity. I felt that today moreso than ever. Probably says more about my state of mind at the moment tbh. But I coulda done with a bit of a laugh today and SC delivers very well in that regard but the Player's Chair seldom allows the listener a light chuckle.


  • #34
    EltonJohn69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    NO FOOTBALL SHOW AFTER A DRAMA SOAKED FA CUP FINAL !!!! SHOCKING STUFF !!!
    KEN EARLY SHOULD BE DRAGGED FROM HIS BED !!! AND BE MADE GIVE A MINUTE BY MINUTE RECOUNT OF THE DRAMA THAT TOOK PLACE IN A GLORIOUS SUN SOAKED WEMBELY ....THAT LEFT ALL APPLAUDING WILDLY AT THEIR TELEVISION SETS/SMART PHONES

    FA CUP MAGIC !!!


  • #35
    thenightman
    Registered Users Posts: 561 ✭✭✭thenightman


    humberklog wrote: »
    Player's Chair with Danny Rose.

    Nothing wrong as such and they can be worth a listen but they are nearly always totally bereft of some levity. I felt that today moreso than ever. Probably says more about my state of mind at the moment tbh. But I coulda done with a bit of a laugh today and SC delivers very well in that regard but the Player's Chair seldom allows the listener a light chuckle.


    Considering the player and topics discussed, surprised anyone would be expecting levity. I personally found it one of the better players chairs, mainly as Richie wasn't interjecting with his own 'Millwall' examples every 2nd sentence like he usually does, and actually let the guest talk and express themselves.


    Very sad to hear of Rose's experiences of day to day life as well. He sounded well and truly fed up with the state of affairs regarding race in the UK.


  • #36
    Brock Turnpike
    Registered Users Posts: 3,756 ✭✭✭Brock Turnpike


    thenightman wrote: »
    Considering the player and topics discussed, surprised anyone would be expecting levity. I personally found it one of the better players chairs, mainly as Richie wasn't interjecting with his own 'Millwall' examples every 2nd sentence like he usually does, and actually let the guest talk and express themselves.


    Very sad to hear of Rose's experiences of day to day life as well. He sounded well and truly fed up with the state of affairs regarding race in the UK.

    I listened to it all but, as serious as the issues are, I just found Rose very monotonous. The early parts of the interview sounded like he was lying in his bed Skyping Richie.


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  • #37
    siblers
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    I turned it off after 15 minutes, may go back to it but felt like Rose was going through the motions, maybe that's how he naturally is


  • #38
    humberklog
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,580 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    thenightman wrote: »
    Considering the player and topics discussed, surprised anyone would be expecting levity. I personally found it one of the better players chairs, mainly as Richie wasn't interjecting with his own 'Millwall' examples every 2nd sentence like he usually does, and actually let the guest talk and express themselves.


    Very sad to hear of Rose's experiences of day to day life as well. He sounded well and truly fed up with the state of affairs regarding race in the UK.

    I buried a brother a few years ago and there was far better crack at the funeral than that interview.

    But an individual interview isn't really my point.
    Richie's interviews (which I listen to) are bereft of some fun. Of lightness. Of being. Even in the gloomiest of situations Richie tries to dive darker. He always divines towards the darker angular where no lightness can escape.

    Richie is a moment away from Dave McSavage's portrait of Joe Duffy's nipple twisting glorifying of another person's agony. That's not where he wants to be but for this listener it's hard to escape that that's where he's going.

    Don't get me wrong, I do like RS. But has he listened to too much Ray D'arcy? and thought to himself..."the crowd, the people...they want it darker, ever darker than gloomy D'Arcy , I can do that. I can kill natural humour and if you laugh I'll call you a lesser hearted being. Get on board the Wellness train or remain an emotionally backward****tard."

    We all deal with emotional stuff. Mostly in my experience we attempt to deal with it in good humour when half appropriate. Richie's interviews never find that natural and normal human touch.

    Richie could do with listening back to Dr. Anthony Clare's interviews and paying less interest into Ray D'Arcy's line of gloomtacism spiel.


  • #39
    Brock Turnpike
    Registered Users Posts: 3,756 ✭✭✭Brock Turnpike


    humberklog wrote: »
    I buried a brother a few years ago and there was far better crack at the funeral than that interview.

    But an individual interview isn't really my point.
    Richie's interviews (which I listen to) are bereft of some fun. Of lightness. Of being. Even in the gloomiest of situations Richie tries to dive darker. He always divines towards the darker angular where no lightness can escape.

    Richie is a moment away from Dave McSavage's portrait of Joe Duffy's nipple twisting glorifying of another person's agony. That's not where he wants to be but for this listener it's hard to escape that that's where he's going.

    Don't get me wrong, I do like RS. But has he listened to too much Ray D'arcy? and thought to himself..."the crowd, the people...they want it darker, ever darker than gloomy D'Arcy , I can do that. I can kill natural humour and if you laugh I'll call you a lesser hearted being. Get on board the Wellness train or remain an emotionally backward****tard."

    We all deal with emotional stuff. Mostly in my experience we attempt to deal with it in good humour when half appropriate. Richie's interviews never find that natural and normal human touch.

    Richie could do with listening back to Dr. Anthony Clare's interviews and paying less interest into Ray D'Arcy's line of gloomtacism spiel.

    That's an interesting take. Do we "deal with it" through humor? Or do we bury it further by making jokes about it?


  • #40
    patsman07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 282 ✭✭patsman07


    I'd be inclined to submit to Richie's superior knowledge in the area of wellness etc. Although I did feel that this interview was part of a trend on SC where they accept the most left-wing interpretation of current events. Perhaps that's just where they are politically.
    It was more evident when they discussed the Paddy Jackson trial, I specifically remember Eoin saying that he'd never seen anything like the whats app messages those boys sent each other. In my experience 'lads mag' culture is fairly normal in all male whats app groups.


  • #41
    dulpit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,397 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    patsman07 wrote: »
    In my experience 'lads mag' culture is fairly normal in all male whats app groups.

    Speak for yourself there..

    Also, what's "left wing" about a black player talking about the racist abuse he gets both playing and in everyday life?


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  • #42
    patsman07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 282 ✭✭patsman07


    Nothing obviously. It's clear in my post that I was speaking about SC and not Danny Rose.



    All instances of racism should be condemned and dealt with, I thought Rose made good points on the problems of racism in football, the lack of proper fines for national FA's and the lack of information about what happens if a game is abandoned. I wish they had of got into the lack of black managers a little more.



    However, because racism is being spoken about now far more than it was say 5 years ago, I think people are more aware of it and therefore there is a tendency to see instances of racism where it may not exist. Rose's example of the ticket collector on the train, perhaps the ticket collector was being racist or perhaps he was doing his job and didn't ask the two white passengers for their tickets because he recognised them as regular commuters.



    Rose's opinion seems to be 'society is systemically racist.' That's a political opinion, it wasn't challenged by Richie because he's of the same political point of view as Rose. A good interviewer should challenge the interviewee.


  • #43
    sheroman01
    Registered Users Posts: 4,685 ✭✭✭sheroman01


    patsman07 wrote: »
    Nothing obviously. It's clear in my post that I was speaking about SC and not Danny Rose.



    All instances of racism should be condemned and dealt with, I thought Rose made good points on the problems of racism in football, the lack of proper fines for national FA's and the lack of information about what happens if a game is abandoned. I wish they had of got into the lack of black managers a little more.



    However, because racism is being spoken about now far more than it was say 5 years ago, I think people are more aware of it and therefore there is a tendency to see instances of racism where it may not exist. Rose's example of the ticket collector on the train, perhaps the ticket collector was being racist or perhaps he was doing his job and didn't ask the two white passengers for their tickets because he recognised them as regular commuters.



    Rose's opinion seems to be 'society is systemically racist.' That's a political opinion, it wasn't challenged by Richie because he's of the same political point of view as Rose. A good interviewer should challenge the interviewee.

    These are the EXACT points as to why we should be (and slowly are) talking more about racism. Given, as you say, that we are talking about racism so much these days, it'd be great if you listened to what was being said. The points I highlighted in your quote are the exact points that made me stop and think a little more about it and the examples of every day subtle racism and to NOT question it, or belittle it. Me, and most of us, are in a place of privilege, and shouldn't dare question this racism, or the legitimacy of it. We should be helping and trying to eradicate it. Your first point is so ignorant it's unbelievable.


  • #44
    Say Your Number
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,779 Mod ✭✭✭✭Say Your Number


    I remember a while ago, they were talking to two black journalists about racism and US Murph about attending a BLM protest, annd was thinking it's nice to see this thread not clogged up with the same old tired bullsh1t.

    Wasn't to last though :(


  • #45
    Ivefoundgod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,449 ✭✭✭Ivefoundgod


    Quick glance at that users posting history will you tell you all you need to know. Only a few weeks back he/she was questioning why it was ok for black people to use the n word but white people couldn't :rolleyes:


  • #46
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,625 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    I believe Ken yesterday referred to a phenomenon called "Internet brain"...


  • #47
    dog_pig
    Registered Users Posts: 673 ✭✭✭dog_pig


    sheroman01 wrote: »
    Me, and most of us, are in a place of privilege, and shouldn't dare question this racism, or the legitimacy of it.

    Since when was it a reasonable to decide that particular topics can't be discussed by certain demographics? How are these issues supposed to be talked about?


  • #48
    sheroman01
    Registered Users Posts: 4,685 ✭✭✭sheroman01


    dog_pig wrote: »
    Since when was it a reasonable to decide that particular topics can't be discussed by certain demographics?

    You don't see how ridiculous it is for me, a white person, to question a black person's personal experience of racism?
    dog_pig wrote: »
    How are these issues supposed to be talked about?

    We listen. Not every topic in the world needs to be debated and argued against. Sometimes we just need to listen, and act on things, and make it right.


  • #49
    dog_pig
    Registered Users Posts: 673 ✭✭✭dog_pig


    sheroman01 wrote: »
    You don't see how ridiculous it is for me, a white person, to question a black person's personal experience of racism?

    I don't think it's inherently ridiculous to ask questions about any topic. If you want to frame it as a white person "questioning" a black person's personal experience you're of course free to, that seems reductive to me though.
    sheroman01 wrote: »
    We listen. Not every topic in the world needs to be debated and argued against. Sometimes we just need to listen, and act on things

    I disagree. I would prefer to develop a better understanding of an issue by discussing it, rather than deciding due to reasons beyond my control that I'm not allowed to talk about it.


  • #50
    Obrieski
    Registered Users Posts: 457 ✭✭Obrieski


    I must say I think Murph grasped the idea of the outrage over Arsenal's behaviour regarding redundancies of staff way better than Ken yesterday. I was surprised by Ken's opinions on the matter.
    The main point that Murph was making, which I agree with, is that people are losing their jobs here.
    When you note it saves £1.2m (figure might be wrong but it was around that ball park) in wages, it really is a drop in the ocean one would feel and if £1.2m is the amount that Arsenal need to save to survive, then it says a lot about the way the club is run, considering they still received their full tv money allocation, just won the FA cup and will be in Europe next season. At the same time, handing one of their top players an extra £100,000 per week (which I completely acknowledge is what drives success in terms of shirt sales, goals, wins, performance etc etc) but it is that disconnect that would really infuriate me if my club were to engage in similar practices.


  • #51
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,625 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Yeah, Ken likes to look at things from a slightly different angle at times - which has its benefits, in that he can sometimes see an overlooked aspect or contradiction in the prevailing opinion on a given subject - but sometimes it means that he misses the obvious. I, think, to be fair to him, he was seeing things a bit more from Murph's perspective by the end of it though.


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