Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

Who polices the regs ? If you know any publicans, a lot of them are mostly money obsessed....I know a family, nice people away from the business but they’d set fire to the M50 if it would be thought of as an act that would increase their profitability. When we complained about prices going up every few months we were just told by the owner... “nothing wrong with making money, you know where the door is,”. An apology followed when we showed him we knew exactly where it was and went elsewhere.

You can’t trust publicans, they have shown that from the very beginning of this health situation where their loyalties lie. Even though they enjoy full bank balances and picking up the covid payment like the rest of us... might not be accruing their next million fast or any time sooon but they can pay the bills, feed themselves, and do anything in the boundaries of restrictions but that isn’t good enough... that addictive cash lust must be satisfied.

podgeandrodge wrote: »

So what are people's predictions for the pubs?

I think they will want to do something to help the smaller pubs and rural pubs with small numbers. But they won't be able to discriminate so will introduce capacity limits based on size - perhaps with greater number of people per sq.ft up to a certain level, and then tapering off a lot lower as size increases. So Temple Bar large type pubs might be able to accomodate 100 people, but won't be worth their while opening on that basis.

Possibly no time limits, but earlier closing circa. 10.30pm mid week, 11.30pm Fri/Sat, though I think that would be a mistake, as it might encourage 'after the pub house parties'.

My guess, opening of pubs will be delayed by a few more weeks.

137 close contacts have been identified through the COVID tracker app so far - all but 8 of these people contacted the HSE and got tested.

Strumms wrote: »

Who polices the regs ? If you know any publicans, a lot of them are mostly money obsessed....I know a family, nice people away from the business but they’d set fire to the M50 if it would be thought of as an act that would increase their profitability. When we complained about prices going up every few months we were just told by the owner... “nothing wrong with making money, you know where the door is,”. An apology followed when we showed him we knew exactly where it was and went elsewhere.

You can’t trust publicans, they have shown that from the very beginning of this health situation where their loyalties lie. Even though they enjoy full bank balances and picking up the covid payment like the rest of us... might not be accruing their next million fast or any time sooon but they can pay the bills, feed themselves, and do anything in the boundaries of restrictions but that isn’t good enough... that addictive cash lust must be satisfied.

This is completed and utter horse****. You're basing this assessment on what you think you know and what actual reality is. I have no doubt that there are publicans who are money mad, will do anything for profit etc etc.. however to paint the entire profession this way is a gross injustice.

My family should be 50 years in business this month, and my parents should be spending the next few years looking forward to their retirement but instead are looking at potential financial ruin because they closed VOLUNTARY 5 months ago and have had almost zero help in keeping the business afloat. They were fully entitled to claim the Covid payment, as was anybody else in their position. They are one of the lucky ones who owe the pub outright, put other bills pile up and 5 months dipping into savings means they don't last very long.

The other pub near us is ran by a younger man who took over from his father, and has a young family. They pay rent on their pub, along side a mortgage on their house, bills, and have kids to try and get back to school, paying for books, bags, uniforms etc. All while claiming the Covid payment, the mortgage repayment may be frozen but for how long? And yeah they may be able to get other employment over the next weeks but not everyone is going to be that lucky and for those who are nearing retirement age? Plus the devastation of losing a family business is a very bitter pill to swallow.

I've read countless times on this thread that pubs who want to open can, just do a deal with a local takeaway, or start serving food. Not every rural village has a takeway to do this with, and as for serving food...not everywhere has the capacity to do this nor to they want health inspectors hounding them over food safety concerns (As an aside, I once had an argument with a health inspector who tried to tell me that alcohol was "food", wonder where that argument would get me now). Likewise telling people to just go to a pub that serves food is great if you live with a reasonable distance to one. Out where my village is the nearest is about 10 miles away, and the drink driving laws haven't just disappeared, a taxi in will cost you around €25, so just to get from your house to the pub and back will cost you the guts of 50quid before you've even had a sip from a pint.

So here we are a week out from the next "reopening" and we are no further along. Small rural pubs who see the same faces day in, day out and have spent the last few weeks preparing their business to at least attempt to open within the guidelines are about to get the rug pulled from under them again. All the while the larger urban pubs can peg out their €9 plates of whatever and serve all they want. And don't come at me with the spiel that they are "restaurants" because we all know that many, many are not operating at such (and more power to them).

I'm not a throw all caution to the wind type and demand a full reopening type of person, but a lot of people here seem to forget that publicans are not all faceless entities who have no feelings beyond greed, they are actual people with families and a life beyond the bar.

Sam Russell wrote: »

Looking at the USA figures, the number of infections are growing at 1% per day, but deaths are growing at only 0.3% per day.

So either only the more robust are getting infected and fighting it off - or they are fiddling the figures.

I wonder which it is.

I don't think so - as the same is true of the global numbers...

US2 wrote: »

when does the app alert, is it when you spend more than 15mins in close proximity to a confirmed case? Does the confirmed case have to upload that they tested positive themselves?

- Person A spends 15 mins or more at less than 2m from person B who has COVID
- Person B tests positive
- Contact tracer asks if person B has app
- Person B enters the code given by the HSE rep into the app
- The app checks who person B has been in contact with for 15 mins or more at less than 2m
- The app then notifies Person A that they’ve been in contact with a positive case

tweniebaby wrote: »

This is completed and utter horse****. You're basing this assessment on what you think you know and what actual reality is. I have no doubt that there are publicans who are money mad, will do anything for profit etc etc.. however to paint the entire profession this way is a gross injustice.

My family should be 50 years in business this month, and my parents should be spending the next few years looking forward to their retirement but instead are looking at potential financial ruin because they closed VOLUNTARY 5 months ago and have had almost zero help in keeping the business afloat. They were fully entitled to claim the Covid payment, as was anybody else in their position. They are one of the lucky ones who owe the pub outright, put other bills pile up and 5 months dipping into savings means they don't last very long.

The other pub near us is ran by a younger man who took over from his father, and has a young family. They pay rent on their pub, along side a mortgage on their house, bills, and have kids to try and get back to school, paying for books, bags, uniforms etc. All while claiming the Covid payment, the mortgage repayment may be frozen but for how long? And yeah they may be able to get other employment over the next weeks but not everyone is going to be that lucky and for those who are nearing retirement age? Plus the devastation of losing a family business is a very bitter pill to swallow.

I've read countless times on this thread that pubs who want to open can, just do a deal with a local takeaway, or start serving food. Not every rural village has a takeway to do this with, and as for serving food...not everywhere has the capacity to do this nor to they want health inspectors hounding them over food safety concerns (As an aside, I once had an argument with a health inspector who tried to tell me that alcohol was "food", wonder where that argument would get me now). Likewise telling people to just go to a pub that serves food is great if you live with a reasonable distance to one. Out where my village is the nearest is about 10 miles away, and the drink driving laws haven't just disappeared, a taxi in will cost you around €25, so just to get from your house to the pub and back will cost you the guts of 50quid before you've even had a sip from a pint.

So here we are a week out from the next "reopening" and we are no further along. Small rural pubs who see the same faces day in, day out and have spent the last few weeks preparing their business to at least attempt to open within the guidelines are about to get the rug pulled from under them again. All the while the larger urban pubs can peg out their €9 plates of whatever and serve all they want. And don't come at me with the spiel that they are "restaurants" because we all know that many, many are not operating at such (and more power to them).

I'm not a throw all caution to the wind type and demand a full reopening type of person, but a lot of people here seem to forget that publicans are not all faceless entities who have no feelings beyond greed, they are actual people with families and a life beyond the bar.

Everyone has needed to dip into savings, everyone has had to stop doing things they’d like, everyone has suffered... its COVID... nobody wanted it, expected it, but it’s here... you can be on the side of being responsible and trying to fix with minimal casualties or you can say... “fûck it, too bad”...

Pubs serving food, got lucky. Simple. Those that don’t could never have envisioned this. It’s hard, tough but an acquaintance of mine has a fitness / gym business. It’s lucrative ... he was cleaning up before covid, great setup but now, he and staff, trundle down, pick up a payment and try wait it out, he’s doing some online classes for his regulars, fifteen euros a session for 70 minutes and weekly online support and supplementary videos etc...

Strumms wrote: »

Everyone has needed to dip into savings, everyone has had to stop doing things they’d like, everyone has suffered... its COVID... nobody wanted it, expected it, but it’s here... you can be on the side of being responsible and trying to fix with minimal casualties or you can say... “fûck it, too bad”...

Pubs serving food, got lucky. Simple. Those that don’t could never have envisioned this. It’s hard, tough but an acquaintance of mine has a fitness / gym business. It’s lucrative ... he was cleaning up before covid, great setup but now, he and staff, trundle down, pick up a payment and try wait it out, he’s doing some online classes for his regulars, fifteen euros a session for 70 minutes and weekly online support and supplementary videos etc...

I have not had to dip into savings. Anyone working from home professional like me or anybody in the PS has been completely unaffected financially by this.
The only people that had to dip into savings are those who lost employment or their livelihoods from this lockdown rubbish. All in it together? My arse we are

People with these kind of head in the clouds notions of reality are our modern day Marie Antoinettes. Except they’re all around us

https://twitter.com/devisridhar/status/1290272180958371841

Strumms wrote: »

Everyone has needed to dip into savings, everyone has had to stop doing things they’d like, everyone has suffered... its COVID... nobody wanted it, expected it, but it’s here... you can be on the side of being responsible and trying to fix with minimal casualties or you can say... “fûck it, too bad”...

Pubs serving food, got lucky. Simple. Those that don’t could never have envisioned this. It’s hard, tough but an acquaintance of mine has a fitness / gym business. It’s lucrative ... he was cleaning up before covid, great setup but now, he and staff, trundle down, pick up a payment and try wait it out, he’s doing some online classes for his regulars, fifteen euros a session for 70 minutes and weekly online support and supplementary videos etc...

You're right, nobody wanted it, but it's here now so we have to learn to live with it in some way. However, it's the constant derogatory comments that is continually thrown at one group of businesses, who are not being given a chance to at least attempt to reopen that drives me up the wall. And they have no way to supplement their income. Takeaways pints might be a novelty but it's not going to pay the bills. I get that everyone's savings probably took a hit, but at least most of those will have/ are having the chance to get their business going again and get back in employment.
There are thousands of pubs across the country who are constantly having that chance pulled away from them. Not to mention those who are not just family run, but might also employ other people who are out of a job (potentially). And I'm not sure where all the extra jobs for these people are going to come from.
Like I said I'm not a "open it all up, it'll be grand" advocate at all but the attitude that some businesses were unlucky doesn't wash with me, especially were they're not being given a chance.

road_high wrote: »

I have not had to dip into savings. Anyone working from home professional like me or anybody in the PS has been completely unaffected financially by this.
The only people that had to dip into savings are those who lost employment or their livelihoods from this lockdown rubbish. All in it together? My arse we are

People with these kind of head in the clouds notions of reality are our modern day Marie Antoinettes. Except they’re all around us

Yes, lockdown was rubbish. You know best of course. Why don’t you post those credentials. The experts at the imperial College London reckon that in excess of 3 million people have been saved by lockdowns. Look up Dr Seth Flaxman.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52968523

“Lockdown averted millions of deaths, those deaths would have been a tragedy," said Dr Seth Flaxman, from Imperial.”

A measure that saved in excess of 3 million people and in your words, “lockdown rubbish”

Strumms wrote: »

Who polices the regs ? If you know any publicans, a lot of them are mostly money obsessed....I know a family, nice people away from the business but they’d set fire to the M50 if it would be thought of as an act that would increase their profitability. When we complained about prices going up every few months we were just told by the owner... “nothing wrong with making money, you know where the door is,”. An apology followed when we showed him we knew exactly where it was and went elsewhere.

You can’t trust publicans, they have shown that from the very beginning of this health situation where their loyalties lie. Even though they enjoy full bank balances and picking up the covid payment like the rest of us... might not be accruing their next million fast or any time sooon but they can pay the bills, feed themselves, and do anything in the boundaries of restrictions but that isn’t good enough... that addictive cash lust must be satisfied.

What an extraordinary perception of your every day publican.How are they any way more money obsessed than any other retailer,most of them are struggling and they provide a valuable community service particularly in rural areas.

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

So those admitted to hospital were above 65?

Yea whaa?

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Yea whaa?

So the thing is we have now learnt how the virus spreads mainly. In closed environments without social distancing. Maybe not so much in outdoor spaces. Germany have the facilities to deal with this and they have forced boarders to be opened and have pushed their way into other countries so their economies dont collapse. They have spread the virus again across europe. The thing is they can deal with it. We cant in Ireland we dont have the hospital capacity or facilities or the govt who can deal with it.