Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

Gael23 · 03-08-2020 08:20AM

There are ethical boundaries to infecting people intentionally because there is no treatment should they become ill

Santy2015 · 03-08-2020 08:23AM

And she thrives on it as well along with the rest!!

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1290035314690420736?s=21

Ineedaname · 03-08-2020 08:28AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

So we're exposing people with health conditions to the virus?

Nobody is being exposed to the covid so we can test it. There is no blind trial either, you can't give someone a placebo and deliberately expose them. The Nuremberg code put a stop to that.

No one is being exposed to the virus.

Del Griffith · 03-08-2020 09:03AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

So we're exposing people with health conditions to the virus?

Nobody is being exposed to the covid so we can test it. There is no blind trial either, you can't give someone a placebo and deliberately expose them. The Nuremberg code put a stop to that.

People that test positive, people that have tested positive in the past, etc.

Local Example https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0331/1127678-coronavirus-ireland-clinical-trials/

GooglePlus · 03-08-2020 09:25AM

I don't think these long term effects necessarily make themselves known straight away. A weakened heart will still beat and might not become an issue until later on in life.

Oh and have you seen Boris Johnson before Covid and today? He looks like he's constantly waiting to land on Normandy, he's shook to his core and looks a good few years older.

ChikiChiki · 03-08-2020 09:46AM

wadacrack wrote: »

You shouldn't make assumptions based on a small sample of people. Johnson was fighting for his life at one stage. We do not know he is 100% now. Chris Cuomo is still suffering from the effects of the virus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utFi8leu8hY

Listened to Éamon Dunphys last stand podcast (the latest one) and he mentioned a study done recently on 100 previously healthy people that contracted the virus. Something like 83/100 showed evidence of inflammation around the heart muscles.

Bizarre. This is a virus no-one wants to get.

ChikiChiki · 03-08-2020 09:50AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Studies are not done on people that are healthy - what is the point?

But you are completely bypassing my reply to the latest link you posted - confirmation bias comes to mind

That reads right out of the Trump playbook of idiocy.

The HorsesMouth · 03-08-2020 09:58AM

s1ippy wrote: »

Statically they would be in a higher socioeconomic position so have generally better medical outcomes than povs like the rest of us.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/covid-19-post-coronavirus-syndrome-is-absolutely-a-real-thing-1.4286521?mode=amp

This article has a couple of different mild cases of PVF and celebrities and everything in it if that's what you're into. Based on Ciara Kelly's outlook on the whole thing you'd swear we should all just have a covid party and get it, she's behaving recently like she underwent some sort of mild brain trauma, but it's hard to tell with her because she was thick as a plank to begin with.

This is absolute tripe. Mild brain trauma because you perhaps don't agree with her own personal experience of covid19?
You would prefer if she said she's left with life long complications of it?
A majority of people who have got it have recovered and are fine. A minority unfortunately have got it and are not fine.

Loafing Oaf · 03-08-2020 10:11AM

wadacrack wrote: »

You shouldn't make assumptions based on a small sample of people. Johnson was fighting for his life at one stage. We do not know he is 100% now. Chris Cuomo is still suffering from the effects of the virus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utFi8leu8hY

Yeah and Claire Byrne still experiencing ‘awful fatigue and weak respiratory issues’
https://extra.ie/2020/07/20/entertainment/celebrity/claire-byrne-covid-19-effects

ExMachina1000 · 03-08-2020 10:17AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So in a open public space droplets without the impact of airflow or environmental factors can travel up to 7 metres, soz but I'm going to have to ask for something a little bit more than your word. A study prehaps.

I checked. You are right. 7 metres is a pie in the sky figure. Its more like .7 of a metre.

I am fake news

Beanybabog · 03-08-2020 10:20AM

Completely anecdotal- a healthcare professional
I see has a few friends who got it. They’re all super fit, compete in triathlons etc, so monitor their heart rate for exercise. They’ve all recovered and seem totally back to normal except she said they all Noticed their exercising heart rate is much higher than it previously used to be.

owlbethere · 03-08-2020 10:22AM

Beanybabog wrote: »

Completely anecdotal- a healthcare professional
I see has a few friends who got it. They’re all super fit, compete in triathlons etc, so monitor their heart rate for exercise. They’ve all recovered and seem totally back to normal except she said they all Noticed their exercising heart rate is much higher than it previously used to be.

Well that's not very great. Hopefully it will get better in time for them and they won't be left with lasting damage.

caveat emptor · 03-08-2020 10:24AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Studies are not done on people that are healthy - what is the point?

But you are completely bypassing my reply to the latest link you posted - confirmation bias comes to mind

Holy **** there was a control group. I.e they did not have the virus. Then a direct comparison was made.

Please stop Bullsh!ting. It’s not a good look.

Renjit · 03-08-2020 10:36AM

Some things never change. Doom meerkat merchants vs covid positivity possums:D

Tork · 03-08-2020 10:51AM

This is the German study which I heard mention of recently. Not that this will bother the bone-headed people who aren't taking precautions.

- Seventy-eight percent of people diagnosed with COVID-19 showed evidence of heart damage caused by the disease weeks after they have recovered, according to a study published Monday by JAMA Cardiology.

Of 100 participants in the study, 78 had evidence of heart damage on magnetic resonance imaging, or MRI, according to the researchers.

None of the 100 patients included in the analysis had experienced heart symptoms related to the new coronavirus and "were mostly healthy ... prior to their illness," the researchers said.

"The patients and ourselves were both surprised by the intensity and prevalence of these findings, and that they were still very pronounced even though the original illness had been by then already a few weeks away," study co-author Dr. Valentina Puntmann told UPI.

"We found evidence of ongoing inflammation within the heart muscle, as well as of the heart's lining in a considerable majority of patients," said Puntmann, a consultant physician, cardiologist and clinical pharmacologist at University Hospital Frankfurt in Germany.

Gruffalux · 03-08-2020 11:04AM

Tork wrote: »

This is the German study which I heard mention of recently. Not that this will bother the bone-headed people who aren't taking precautions.

There are people who will loudly say lookit every viral illness causes problems and there can be no long term studies because it is too soon.
Fair enough. And it is true - it is too early to know medium to long term outcomes.
But there is an element of willful recklessness in that attitude. To which people are perfectly entitled. Though they should own it.
Personally I am willing to wait and observe what emerges longer term before committing or dismissing. I hope for the best but it is not guaranteed
I was wondering recently why I feel thus inclined when many feel like reflexively dismissing serious potentials just out of hand. One reason is I am older. Another reason is that when younger I had an illness that seriously limited me for more than 10 years. So 1 year or even two feels like not all that much now to sacrifice being cautiously observant.
I know it would be different if one was quite young. Or if one had never known limitation on so called normal life.
But both approaches can be explained and emotionally understood.

Hector Savage · 03-08-2020 11:07AM

Look everyone just stay indoors and hide under your beds for the next 2 years, don't worry about work or food or your mental health ... just STAY IN!!!!

ExMachina1000 · 03-08-2020 11:11AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Look everyone just stay indoors and hide under your beds for the next 2 years, don't worry about work or food or your mental health ... just STAY IN!!!!

If you get the virus once are you immune going forward?

VinLieger · 03-08-2020 11:13AM

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

You would prefer if she said she's left with life long complications of it?

Its a distinct possibility, we dont know anywhere near enough to be able to say anything for certain.

Shes an irresponsible hack who shouldn't be allowed call herself a doctor anymore

Gruffalux · 03-08-2020 11:15AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Look everyone just stay indoors and hide under your beds for the next 2 years, don't worry about work or food or your mental health ... just STAY IN!!!!

No no!! Not at all. Please go out loads. While I will be cautious I am also quite mercenary

. I need people like you to observe for these deductive experiments.

youandme13 · 03-08-2020 11:21AM

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

This is absolute tripe. Mild brain trauma because you perhaps don't agree with her own personal experience of covid19?
You would prefer if she said she's left with life long complications of it?
A majority of people who have got it have recovered and are fine. A minority unfortunately have got it and are not fine.

That's complete bull. Just because they're not testing positive for it doesn't mean people still aren't suffering.

My partner is a healthy 30 year old. He's been v sick since April with it.could barely move out of bed for over a week at the start. Now he's damage to his lungs and heart, which he never had before and we went know if it'll stay with him forever now.

A healthy 30 year old, no underlying conditions. Still he's not fully back to himself, only one starting to exercise more.

I also had it, was sick for a week but I'm ok. What's the difference? We're both early 30's healthy with no underlying conditions.

Hector Savage · 03-08-2020 11:22AM

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

If you get the virus once are you immune going forward?

No even mild cases have weak hearts and will drop dead from a heart attack within a few years, so STAY IN STAY IN ...

FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR!!!!

If these studies are true, then whatever % of the human race that gets this is ****ED .... that will be what 70-80% ? - looks the virtually the whole pop of Africa and Brazil will get this, so this is a civilisation ender ..... I don't care anymore.....

or maybe ill just stay away from the fear mongering hysterical media ?
maybe ill try that and just get on with my f*cking life, we met some family over the weekend for a nice meal, restaurant was top ... a nice place in Berga, very clean and wide socially distant tables - even from our own party.

Life needs to go on.

thelad95 · 03-08-2020 11:30AM

I'm following Greece's numbers daily as I am traveling there in two weeks.

For background, you have to fill out a Passenger information form, detailing some basic questions such as where you're coming from, what countries you've been in in the last month, and then some basic screening of Covid symptoms. Based on answers to these questions, you get sent a QR code that gets scanned at the airport and says whether you should be tested or not. Unsure how their algorithm works, I believe some countries such as the UK, Sweden and Spain automatically trigger a test whereas otherwise I imagine it's based on symptoms.

In any case, using the above system, they are getting 10-15 positives from screening and testing passengers at potential entry ports, many of whom I imagine are completely asymptomatic. I imagine a system like this will be the way forward for everyone long term. It's one of the reasons I chose Greece to travel to.

Our system is an utter joke shop and given that we have testing capacity going to waste every day, I don't know why this hasn't been re-directed to the airports months ago.

Sam Russell · 03-08-2020 12:15PM

Looking at the USA figures, the number of infections are growing at 1% per day, but deaths are growing at only 0.3% per day.

So either only the more robust are getting infected and fighting it off - or they are fiddling the figures.

I wonder which it is.

podgeandrodge · 03-08-2020 12:19PM

So what are people's predictions for the pubs?

I think they will want to do something to help the smaller pubs and rural pubs with small numbers. But they won't be able to discriminate so will introduce capacity limits based on size - perhaps with greater number of people per sq.ft up to a certain level, and then tapering off a lot lower as size increases. So Temple Bar large type pubs might be able to accomodate 100 people, but won't be worth their while opening on that basis.

Possibly no time limits, but earlier closing circa. 10.30pm mid week, 11.30pm Fri/Sat, though I think that would be a mistake, as it might encourage 'after the pub house parties'.

ExMachina1000 · 03-08-2020 12:21PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

So what are people's predictions for the pubs?

I think they will want to do something to help the smaller pubs and rural pubs with small numbers. But they won't be able to discriminate so will introduce capacity limits based on size - perhaps with greater number of people per sq.ft up to a certain level, and then tapering off a lot lower as size increases. So Temple Bar large type pubs might be able to accomodate 100 people, but won't be worth their while opening on that basis.

Possibly no time limits, but earlier closing circa. 10.30pm mid week, 11.30pm Fri/Sat, though I think that would be a mistake, as it might encourage 'after the pub house parties'.

Open the schools instead

Jim_Hodge · 03-08-2020 12:21PM

Sam Russell wrote: »

Looking at the USA figures, the number of infections are growing at 1% per day, but deaths are growing at only 0.3% per day.

So either only the more robust are getting infected and fighting it off - or they are fiddling the figures.

I wonder which it is.

Neither perhaps. It's definitely a time lag - look at the trend over a number of weeks. ICUs are coming close to being swamped in several states; then the death rate will rise more quickly.

zinfandel · 03-08-2020 12:26PM

Sam Russell wrote: »

Looking at the USA figures, the number of infections are growing at 1% per day, but deaths are growing at only 0.3% per day.

So either only the more robust are getting infected and fighting it off - or they are fiddling the figures.

I wonder which it is.

did you not see the post a few days ago which analysed pneumonia figures across some states in the usa over last month or two, for 5 years they were reporting 900 odd over the months , then jump to 2020 they had risen to 4000 plus for the same period....

Drumpot · 03-08-2020 12:28PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Neither perhaps. It's definitely a time lag - look at the trend over a number of weeks. ICUs are coming close to being swamped in several states; then the death rate will rise more quickly.

There’s also the possibility that we have learned to treat the virus better and people are probably getting help quicker (not waiting until it’s too late for help).

bb1234567 · 03-08-2020 12:28PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Or Covid has accounted for 1.9% of the total global death toll since Janurary 1st.

But that 1.9% did not die exclusively of Covid, which lowers that percentage further

That's true,probably quite a lot of deaths in Europe were more like died with than of. Excess deaths in Europe for the last few months are 170,000 but the COVID death toll is over 200,000.But it is very much outweighed by the amount of deaths going unrecorded in many other countries.

For example, just 12% of deaths in Indonesia are thought to be officially reported due to such low levels of testing.

In countries with less testing and treating capacity, it is likely that the divide between the official coronavirus death toll and the excess death rate will be greater. For example, analysis done by the Economist magazine suggests that Jakarta’s reported death toll may only be around 12% of the reality, based on data about burials. The New York Times, meanwhile, notes that in March to May, Ecuador has recorded about 10,500 more deaths than usual compared to the same period in the past three years – about three times the reported number of COVID-19 deaths.

Meaning Indonesia likely has the third most COVID deaths in the world in reality just ahead of Mexico. Also another example of a country where excess mortality is about 3x-4x times higher than official COVID deaths.

So globally COVID has likely killed a lot more than the 690k figure, not less.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/07/excess-deaths-mortality-coronavirus-covid-19/

Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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