FF/FG/Green Next Government

ExMachina1000 · 01-08-2020 09:05AM

Snow Garden wrote: »

To be fair FFG were fine with 64 billion Euros of private banking debt being added to our national debt back in 2008-2011.
They told us the EU would reward us for our best behaviour...

That's very true . And with the United States actively trying to entice its tech giants home on one side and with Brussels hoping to enforce an EU wide tax levy on those tech companies it's all starting to look rosy for Ireland.

This year multinational tax paid in Ireland will be greater than vat collected here. We are head over heels reliant on Us multinationals.

James Brown · 01-08-2020 11:42AM

All governments seem to be short sighted. However in 2011 we had historic opportunity to 'change the way we do business'. The public voted for that. It was an opportunity wasted for greed and cronyism.
Now this crisis should be taken as an opportunity to try move away from reliance on multinationals. We need to try 'change the way we do business'.
More borrowing to put a plaster on a flawed two tiered system is just going around in circles. We're taking from the bottom to feed the top and borrowing to pick up the inevitable short falls. Things were getting steadily worse before Covid. Borrowing to mearly make a return to that is short sighted and stupid. I suppose it works if your only interest is filling your pockets before your term ends.

FrancieBrady · 02-08-2020 09:27AM

AT least Leo was right in his analogy - that putting FF back in power would be like putting John Delaney back in charge of the FAI?
The FF paycut that wasn't a paycut versus the FAI paycut that wasn't one for some.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/revealed-fais-secret-tax-free-rent-payout-to-john-delaney-7mbm3wtr8?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1595835918

RandomViewer · 02-08-2020 08:05PM

Thought there'd be more fuss over McSharrys comments

The_Conductor · 02-08-2020 08:11PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

Thought there'd be more fuss over McSharrys comments

Plenty of people are quietly seething and waiting in the long grass.
He was given an opportunity to gracefully retract his comments, he instead chose to reinforce them.
He seems to have forgotten that he will have to rely on a great many of the people he is denigrating- and they're not going to forget him............

Water John · 02-08-2020 09:21PM

Won't be much use asking McSharry to look into some problem you have. If the request has his name on it, it'll fall into the waste paper basket.

Geuze · 02-08-2020 11:46PM

blanch152 wrote: »

For example, we are now going to have to properly legislate for a carbon tax, make it close to impossible for future governments to reverse it. Now, a carbon tax is something you are on record of opposing, but your colours are clear today. Something that brings a carbon tax closer, which you claim to dislike, is now suddenly welcomed by you, just because you believe it puts egg on FG's face.

The carbon tax already exists.

It was introduced in 2010.

Geuze · 02-08-2020 11:57PM

Bowie wrote: »

Where am I supporting Carbon tax here? I've no issue if the money goes on green initiatives.

The increase in the carbon tax from 20 to 26 this year is ringfenced for env purposes.

Scoondal · 03-08-2020 12:22AM

The_Conductor wrote: »

Plenty of people are quietly seething and waiting in the long grass.
He was given an opportunity to gracefully retract his comments, he instead chose to reinforce them.
He seems to have forgotten that he will have to rely on a great many of the people he is denigrating- and they're not going to forget him............

He will be the poll topper next time.
(Becuz doze Dublin pipil are agin uz)

James Brown · 03-08-2020 02:23AM

Geuze wrote: »

The increase in the carbon tax from 20 to 26 this year is ringfenced for env purposes.

The chap thinks every critical comment is a seething nailing of theses to the door of FF/FG HQ.
Their not up to scratch piecemeal environmental plan was knocked back for not being fit for purpose.
No issue with a carbon tax if the money goes on green initiatives. My only concern is FF/FG using the environment as a way to cadge money off the tax payer*.

*See Irish Water

RandomViewer · 03-08-2020 08:34AM

Scoondal wrote: »

He will be the poll topper next time.
(Becuz doze Dublin pipil are agin uz)

He 'll never stand again,

RandomViewer · 03-08-2020 08:35AM

John Hume has died
Will MM make very disingenuous statement?

Bishop of hope · 03-08-2020 10:41AM

RandomViewer wrote: »

John Hume has died
Will MM make very disingenuous statement?

Rip John Hume.
Amazing that you somehow bring his death around to being a criticism of MM instead of an appraisal of a great man.

The_Conductor · 03-08-2020 01:22PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

John Hume has died
Will MM make very disingenuous statement?

RIP - a great statesman.

I only met him once- when I was a student back in 1993- and was embarrassed about how I could be Irish and yet so ignorant of Northern politics. He was gracious with his time and exceptionally effective at imparting information- with a group of 14 of us who were members of the youth wings of various different Irish political parties at the time.

The ability of people like John Hume to make monumental leaps of faith- are the cornerstone on which peace on this island coalesced.

I understand that he had suffered from dementia for a period of time- and while his death was not unexpected, his family must be devastated.

Ar dheis Dé go raibh a anam dílis.

Shefwedfan · 03-08-2020 01:26PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

John Hume has died
Will MM make very disingenuous statement?

John Hume has died, a great man and was critical to peace process

Yet all you can think about is a childish pop at FF........

RIP John Hume a true great of NI

ExMachina1000 · 03-08-2020 01:40PM

I keep reading about how the like of Coveney and varadkar have given themselves drivers, aides, garda protection and other perks that are firsts for people in their roles.

Brendan Bendar · 03-08-2020 05:13PM

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

I keep reading about how the like of Coveney and varadkar have given themselves drivers, aides, garda protection and other perks that are firsts for people in their roles.

Don’t forget Conor up North, got a state car to go to funeral.

Eric Cartman · 03-08-2020 05:23PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

Thought there'd be more fuss over McSharrys comments

I think most people realise he's right. The civil service were never known to be especially hard working and now with a combination of government instability, their unions and covid, they can sit back and watch their box sets without any chance of reprisal against them.

NovemberWren · 03-08-2020 08:32PM

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

That's very true . And with the United States actively trying to entice its tech giants home on one side and with Brussels hoping to enforce an EU wide tax levy on those tech companies it's all starting to look rosy for Ireland.

This year multinational tax paid in Ireland will be greater than vat collected here. We are head over heels reliant on Us multinationals.

[out of my depth here], but the U.S. poor, really, really, want that actual production jobs. And their votes, in Texas, Louisiana, Carolina, ..... seem to be people that D.Trump has been, and is, determined to deliver.

NovemberWren · 03-08-2020 08:40PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I think most people realise he's right. The civil service were never known to be especially hard working and now with a combination of government instability, their unions and covid, they can sit back and watch their box sets without any chance of reprisal against them.

this I find amazing. and yet, they will glide back, and continue to appropriate to themselves, the arbitration of any publics' disputes; - and will ensure that there is no resolution to any disputes; as this mainly is what their job consists of.

RandomViewer · 03-08-2020 08:46PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

John Hume has died, a great man and was critical to peace process

Yet all you can think about is a childish pop at FF........

RIP John Hume a true great of NI

Not childish, because of the unfortunate situation where we have a basket case for a Taoiseach who will make incompetent digs at others instead of being semi-statesman like in his statements on John Humes death, the man has the people skills of a two year old , sending him to the funeral would be a mistake, let the lepreauchan go and let the rest stay at home.

RandomViewer · 03-08-2020 08:48PM

FF thread, call out useless when I see it

FrancieBrady · 03-08-2020 09:04PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

John Hume has died, a great man and was critical to peace process

Yet all you can think about is a childish pop at FF........

RIP John Hume a true great of NI

Hume is a great man of Ireland. Why would you be partitionist at a time like this? Hume taught the Dublin government more about a solution than anyone else.

He failed so many times with initiatives but when he teamed up with Adams in the Hume-Adams talks a solution evolved.
The 'solution' was not a NI one but an all island one, involving Dublin integrally in the GFA.
Remember - Hume had to do a solo run outside the SDLP to achievw this breakthrough with Adams.

RandomViewer · 03-08-2020 09:44PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Hume is a great man of Ireland. Why would you be partitionist at a time like this? Hume taught the Dublin government more about a solution than anyone else.

He failed so many times with initiatives but when he teamed up with Adams in the Hume-Adams talks a solution evolved.
The 'solution' was not a NI one but an all island one, involving Dublin integrally in the GFA.
Remember - Hume had to do a solo run outside the SDLP to achievw this breakthrough with Adams.

Think that's why the SDLP imploded after he retired, they really didn't want to interact with the poorer sections of society,

BonnieSituation · 03-08-2020 10:13PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

John Hume has died, a great man and was critical to peace process

Yet all you can think about is a childish pop at FF........

RIP John Hume a true great of NI

Unlike John you're a Partitionist to the end Shef.

FF can handle a few pops after their shambolic month (or decade) or so. You're quick enough to have childish pops at all and sundry yourself.

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He wasn't "Ireland's Greatest" for nowt. RIP John.

Yurt2 · 04-08-2020 05:32AM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I think most people realise he's right. The civil service were never known to be especially hard working and now with a combination of government instability, their unions and covid, they can sit back and watch their box sets without any chance of reprisal against them.

There's always a market for giving civil servants and teachers a kick by people who don't appreciate what they do. Strong functioning institutions staffed and administrated by competent civil servants are the difference between developed countries and failed states. We happen to have a pretty decent one. We'd look more like Moldova if whe didn't have them.

A good civil service is the backbone of a functioning developed state.

Shefwedfan · 04-08-2020 07:12AM

RandomViewer wrote: »

Not childish, because of the unfortunate situation where we have a basket case for a Taoiseach who will make incompetent digs at others instead of being semi-statesman like in his statements on John Humes death, the man has the people skills of a two year old , sending him to the funeral would be a mistake, let the lepreauchan go and let the rest stay at home.

What your posts show is how childish some of the public have become.....even the death of a person and it’s some petty little post....

Shefwedfan · 04-08-2020 07:16AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Hume is a great man of Ireland. Why would you be partitionist at a time like this? Hume taught the Dublin government more about a solution than anyone else.

He failed so many times with initiatives but when he teamed up with Adams in the Hume-Adams talks a solution evolved.
The 'solution' was not a NI one but an all island one, involving Dublin integrally in the GFA.
Remember - Hume had to do a solo run outside the SDLP to achievw this breakthrough with Adams.

Teamed up with Adams? Good SF spin on that one

SF as usual have no respect for anyone, just trying to score a few points. Disgrace

Quantum Erasure · 04-08-2020 07:47AM

...some petty little post :rolleyes:

FrancieBrady · 04-08-2020 08:24AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Teamed up with Adams? Good SF spin on that one

SF as usual have no respect for anyone, just trying to score a few points. Disgrace

The 'Hume-Adams initiative' ever hear of it Shef?
Correct me if I am wrong, there are two names there.
All Hume's initiatives up to this had failed.

FF/FG/Green Next Government

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