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FF/FG/Green Next Government

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  • #5492
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    McMurphy wrote: »
    Wonder if that would have later transpired as having any influence on why the yanks later decided to sideline Leo and declare the 17th of March 2018 as "Gerry Adams day" leaving Leo like a gooseberry. :D

    https://twitter.com/sinnfeinireland/status/974977733573926912?s=19

    Gerry Adams was instrumental in ending the lives of hundreds of Irish people. He’s no more representative of the Irish state than Conor McGregor is. Leo is more of a statesman than a disgusting creep like Adams could ever be.


  • #5493
    political analyst
    Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0731/1156610-green-party-politics/
    Green Party Leader Eamon Ryan has said members of his parliamentary party cannot abstain or vote against the Government.

    He was speaking after TD Neasa Hourigan and Minister of State Joe O'Brien were sanctioned by having their speaking rights withdrawn for two months.

    Last night Ms Hourigan voted against the Residential Tenancies Bill and Mr O'Brien abstained from voting.

    But I thought the Green Party was all about 'live and let live' and all that.

    Surely, the government chief whip doesn't have jurisdiction over what goes on in the smaller party that is in government.


  • #5494
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    political analyst wrote: »
    https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0731/1156610-green-party-politics/



    But I thought the Green Party was all about 'live and let live' and all that.

    Surely, the government chief whip doesn't have jurisdiction over what goes on in the smaller party that is in government.

    Of course they do. That’s what the whip system is about.


  • #5495
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Gerry Adams was instrumental in ending the lives of hundreds of Irish people. He’s no more representative of the Irish state than Conor McGregor is. Leo is more of a statesman than a disgusting creep like Adams could ever be.

    You're telling that to the wrong person john, twas the yanks made March 17th "Gerry Adams day" not McMurphy here in sunny Ireland.

    Your Varadkar is better than Adams rhetoric is the internet equivalent of helicoptering your mickey at me dude.


  • #5496
    political analyst
    Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Of course they do. That’s what the whip system is about.

    The Taoiseach wouldn't dare to sack the Green ministers if Ryan didn't sanction the rebel Green TDs because to do so would lead to another general election this year.


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  • #5497
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    political analyst wrote: »
    The Taoiseach wouldn't dare to sack the Green ministers if Ryan didn't sanction the rebel Green TDs because to do so would lead to another general election this year.

    FG would be very happy with that tbh.


  • #5498
    political analyst
    Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    FG would be very happy with that tbh.

    Why?


  • #5499
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    McMurphy wrote: »
    Wonder if that would have later transpired as having any influence on why the yanks later decided to sideline Leo and declare the 17th of March 2018 as "Gerry Adams day" leaving Leo like a gooseberry. :D

    https://twitter.com/sinnfeinireland/status/974977733573926912?s=19

    I would say that other than Gerry, you are the only person in Ireland who remembers that.


  • #5500
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    So just an opinion then, as I suspected.

    I don't know if there is an Irish TD who would have admiration and respect for Trump.

    If I find one, I'll let you know.

    Mary-Lou?

    She certainly copies his political style.


  • #5501
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    political analyst wrote: »
    https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0731/1156610-green-party-politics/



    But I thought the Green Party was all about 'live and let live' and all that.

    Surely, the government chief whip doesn't have jurisdiction over what goes on in the smaller party that is in government.

    Eh, it's in the name - government chief whip.


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  • #5502
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,480 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Mary-Lou?

    She certainly copies his political style.

    Varadkar's intemperate rants (how many now?) would be completely Trumpian if you wished to get into comparisons.


  • #5503
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    FG would be very happy with that tbh.

    Improve the vote and either be the main party in a new government or the main party of opposition while SF and FF hop into bed together. See how the bullhorn merchants deal with that.


  • #5504
    political analyst
    Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Eh, it's in the name - government chief whip.

    But the chief whip wouldn't have a deterrent if the Green Party leader refused to sanction rebel Green TDs. FG wouldn't dare to take the risk of having another general election this year because of the prospect of SF forming a government.


  • #5505
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Mary-Lou?

    She certainly copies his political style.

    How so?

    FG certainly have similar ideas about policy to Trump. Support business even when it costs the tax payer.
    Varadkar has the arrogance and disrespect of Trump down. Not saying it's like for like but certainly closer than the leader of any other Irish party except maybe The National Party.


  • #5506
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    Bowie wrote: »
    How so?

    FG certainly have similar ideas about policy to Trump. Support business even when it costs the tax payer.
    Varadkar has the arrogance and disrespect of Trump down. Not saying it's like for like but certainly closer than the leader of any other Irish party except maybe The National Party.

    Ya, because a homosexual man from an immigrant background who gave up much of his spare time to volunteer during the first wave of the pandemic, and was leader of a party who increased the healthcare budget by 5 billion during his tenure is exactly like Trump.

    Do you even understand what you say? It’s almost stream of consciousness at this stage. Bizarre to be honest.


  • #5507
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Ya, because a homosexual man from an immigrant background who gave up much of his spare time to volunteer during the first wave of the pandemic, and was leader of a party who increased the healthcare budget by 5 billion during his tenure is exactly like Trump.

    Do you even understand what you say? It’s almost stream of consciousness at this stage. Bizarre to be honest.

    I disagree.
    Do you read what you quote at all Johnny?


  • #5508
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Another milestone:

    The Greens can't be too happy...but they signed up with these people.
    Supreme Court quashes 2017 plan to tackle climate change

    They argued that the National Mitigation Plan permitted an increase in greenhouse gases and so was contrary to the 2015 Climate Action and Low Carbon Development Act, which required the publication of a plan for transitioning to a low carbon climate resilient and environmentally sustainable economy by 2050 described at the National Transitional Objective.

    The unanimous judgment of the Supreme Court delivered by Chief Justice Mr Frank Clarke was that the 2015 Act requires a sufficient level of specificity in the measures identified in a compliant plan to meet that National Transitional Objective by 2050, so that a reasonable and interested person could make a judgment both as to whether the plan in question is realistic and as to whether they agree with the policy options.

    Speaking on RTÉ's News at One, spokesperson Clodagh Daly said it was a "groundbreaking and landmark" verdict and thanked those who took the case on their behalf.

    She said the verdict means the Irish government "can no longer make promises it will not fulfil" and has a legal obligation to protect citizens from the worst impact of climate change.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2020/0731/1156645-environment-ruling/

    "PROTECTING OUR ENVIRONMENT AND MOVING DECISIVELY TOWARDS A CARBON NEUTRAL FUTURE"

    Not quite Fine Gael, not quite.


  • #5509
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Bowie wrote: »
    Another red banner day for the coalition.

    The Greens can't be too happy...but they signed up with these people.



    "PROTECTING OUR ENVIRONMENT AND MOVING DECISIVELY TOWARDS A CARBON NEUTRAL FUTURE"

    Not quite Fine Gael, not quite.

    Sometimes I wonder do you even understand the links you quote.

    The Greens will be absolutely delighted with that result. One of the concerns that they had with the Programme for Government was that while it committed to certain overall levels of climate change, it was not specific enough. That isn't good enough, according to the courts.

    For example, we are now going to have to properly legislate for a carbon tax, make it close to impossible for future governments to reverse it. Now, a carbon tax is something you are on record of opposing, but your colours are clear today. Something that brings a carbon tax closer, which you claim to dislike, is now suddenly welcomed by you, just because you believe it puts egg on FG's face.

    Is there no policy you are willing to sacrifice in your tirade against FG? In previous guises you ranted and raved about jobs, jobs, jobs, but when FG solved that problem, you quietly dropped it but reemerged with housing and health as the new issues. If they get solved, you will find some other reasons to criticise FG, because nothing is sacred to you except your bitter hate.


  • #5510
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,239 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    You got that one right Mr B


  • #5511
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Sometimes I wonder do you even understand the links you quote.

    The Greens will be absolutely delighted with that result. One of the concerns that they had with the Programme for Government was that while it committed to certain overall levels of climate change, it was not specific enough. That isn't good enough, according to the courts.

    For example, we are now going to have to properly legislate for a carbon tax, make it close to impossible for future governments to reverse it. Now, a carbon tax is something you are on record of opposing, but your colours are clear today. Something that brings a carbon tax closer, which you claim to dislike, is now suddenly welcomed by you, just because you believe it puts egg on FG's face.

    Is there no policy you are willing to sacrifice in your tirade against FG? In previous guises you ranted and raved about jobs, jobs, jobs, but when FG solved that problem, you quietly dropped it but reemerged with housing and health as the new issues. If they get solved, you will find some other reasons to criticise FG, because nothing is sacred to you except your bitter hate.

    Some of the genuine Greens of course but sleepy Eamo is on board with FF/FG and this was their effort. Or do you think FF/FG will completely change tack on environment? Seems like Eamo is following their lead, not the other way around.
    Made up stuff again. Where am I supporting Carbon tax here? I've no issue if the money goes on green initiatives.
    I'll side step your fixation on the personal. You must be delighted, being a Green?

    How does MLMD copy Trump's political style?

    Why would Garda enforce government 'advice'?

    What legislation might they bring in to enforce this 'advice'?

    Just catching you up.


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  • #5512
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Bowie wrote: »
    Some of the genuine Greens of course but sleepy Eamo is on board with FF/FG and this was their effort. Or do you think FF/FG will completely change tack on environment? Seems like Eamo is following their lead, not the other way around.
    Made up stuff again. Where am I supporting Carbon tax here? I've no issue if the money goes on green initiatives.
    I'll side step your fixation on the personal. You must be delighted, being a Green?


    All of the above is your personal opinion and based on nothing.



    You posted a link which you either didnt read or didn't understand. Own it and move on.


  • #5513
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    political analyst wrote: »
    The Taoiseach wouldn't dare to sack the Green ministers if Ryan didn't sanction the rebel Green TDs because to do so would lead to another general election this year.
    It's not quite a sackable offence, they still have the numbers but very slack by the Greens. Even the Kerry twins and the rural alliance wouldn't have broken rank so fast. I don't know if he'll make it the full two years as there are bound to be other points of principle to abstain on.


  • #5514
    smurgen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    All of the above is your personal opinion and based on nothing.



    You posted a link which you either didnt read or didn't understand. Own it and move on.

    You were supporting drink driving and animal abuse there awhile back. Fair play to ya for holding onto the same username.


  • #5515
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    smurgen wrote: »
    You were supporting drink driving and animal abuse there awhile back. Fair play to ya for holding onto the same username.


    :P


    Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story


  • #5516
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/second-shock-of-brexit-may-be-too-much-for-ireland-to-cope-with-coveney-told-1.4317097

    The news gets better and better for good ol Ireland


  • #5517
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/second-shock-of-brexit-may-be-too-much-for-ireland-to-cope-with-coveney-told-1.4317097

    The news gets better and better for good ol Ireland

    Uk is basket case at the moment, they took the old Brexit at the wrong time as now they don’t have Europe to prop them up. It’s a potential bigger disaster for them than anyone else. Not great news for us but not much we can do

    Boris has made a real balls of it


  • #5518
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Uk is basket case at the moment, they took the old Brexit at the wrong time as now they don’t have Europe to prop them up. It’s a potential bigger disaster for them than anyone else. Not great news for us but not much we can do

    Boris has made a real balls of it

    Brexit was long in motion before Boris arrived.


  • #5519
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Brexit was long in motion before Boris arrived.

    You do remember who was one of the main people on the leave campaign?

    Covid has made a balls of it for Boris, I would say he would have done well but covid has emptied the coffers


  • #5520
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    You do remember who was one of the main people on the leave campaign?

    Covid has made a balls of it for Boris, I would say he would have done well but covid has emptied the coffers

    Same situation world over. Covid has torpedoed everyone's plans.
    Italy and Spain got grants of 130 billion to spend between them. MM got us an increased budget contribution bill.


    UK will surely leave with no deal at this stage.


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  • #5521
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Same situation world over. Covid has torpedoed everyone's plans.
    Italy and Spain got grants of 130 billion to spend between them. MM got us an increased budget contribution bill.


    UK will surely leave with no deal at this stage.

    To be fair FFG were fine with 64 billion Euros of private banking debt being added to our national debt back in 2008-2011.
    They told us the EU would reward us for our best behaviour...


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