F1 2020 - British Grand Prix

namloc1980 · 02-08-2020 7:42pm

firemansam4 wrote: »

Hamilton is an average driver who has been fortunate to be in a far superior F1 car than any other teams for many years. Not only that, he has been given a free run in that team with token second drivers as team mates.

IMO I reckon there is probably at least 5 or 6 better drivers on the grid than him at the moment that would make a fool of him if they were given level pegging in the same car, and that is probably being kind to him.

I'm not a Hamilton fan at all, but that's just ridiculous.

firemansam4 · 02-08-2020 7:51pm

Inquitus wrote:

What a load of nonsense! Go back to watching Fireman Sam

It's just my opinion. And I'll be honest I don't watch it too often these days as its just the same boring procession most weekends. Used to watch at a lot more many years ago.

But it's hard to count Hamiltons wins than anything more than a totally unfair advantage on anyone else on the grid.

Inquitus · 02-08-2020 7:53pm

firemansam4 wrote: »

It's just my opinion. And I'll be honest I don't watch it too often these days as its just the same boring procession most weekends. Used to watch at a lot more many years ago.

But it's hard to count Hamiltons wins than anything more than a totally unfair advantage on anyone else on the grid.

Mercedes wouldn't pay Hamilton £40m+ a year if they thought anyone else could do the job as well. That's just not good business!

namloc1980 · 02-08-2020 7:58pm

Verstappen last lap radio:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsFw71TsN-E

weekaizer · 02-08-2020 8:42pm

youreadthat wrote: »

Yummy salty tears. No way have you watched every race since he started. Even the saltiest Button fan (and there are many) who had would not come to these conclusions.

Have I watched every race? Yes. Check it up yourself, button regularly outpaced Hamilton on race day, Lewis consistently outqualified Button however.

FPL_Junior · 02-08-2020 9:14pm

firemansam4 wrote: »

Hamilton is an average driver who has been fortunate to be in a far superior F1 car than any other teams for many years. Not only that, he has been given a free run in that team with token second drivers as team mates.

IMO I reckon there is probably at least 5 or 6 better drivers on the grid than him at the moment that would make a fool of him if they were given level pegging in the same car, and that is probably being kind to him.

I can understand people being slightly biased against drivers they don’t like but then there’s this. You’ve got to respect the goat.

Burkie1203 · 02-08-2020 9:36pm

https://twitter.com/SkySports/status/1290023314249920514?s=19

quokula · 02-08-2020 9:58pm

firemansam4 wrote: »

Hamilton is an average driver who has been fortunate to be in a far superior F1 car than any other teams for many years. Not only that, he has been given a free run in that team with token second drivers as team mates.

IMO I reckon there is probably at least 5 or 6 better drivers on the grid than him at the moment that would make a fool of him if they were given level pegging in the same car, and that is probably being kind to him.

100% agree

Last time he had anything approaching a good team mate it was Rosberg, who isn't all that special, and he beat him to the title. Button also outscored him over their time together as team-mates before that.

To date in his career, Kovalainen and Bottas are the only drivers he's ever definitively outperformed in equal machinery. And even Bottas beats him once every few races - nobody on the all time great list has such poor a record against team-mates (unless they were fellow champions like Senna - Prost of course)

quokula · 02-08-2020 10:00pm

Inquitus wrote: »

Mercedes wouldn't pay Hamilton £40m+ a year if they thought anyone else could do the job as well. That's just not good business!

Literally anyone can win the title in their car. They could sideline Lewis and Bottas would be champion comfortably. The last time they had anyone other than Bottas or Hamilton in the car, that driver won the title.

They're paying the money for the marketability. Hamilton likes to hang out with celebs and he's known outside F1 circles in a way that superior drivers like Verstappen just aren't, and likely never will be.

lolie · 02-08-2020 10:25pm

Is all that Lewis chat not for the other thread?

One thing i noticed at the end today was unless Bottas had damage to his car then it was pretty bad that he couldn't on new softs pass Vettel on 30+ lap hard tyres.

donspeekinglesh · 02-08-2020 10:37pm

Faugheen wrote: »

Everyone talks about Hamilton’s attitude but of Alonso had a better one he wouldn’t have burned bridges with nearly every team he’s ever driven for.

He fell out with two teams - McLaren (the first time), as they were blatantly favouring Hamilton; and Ferrari, because they were a shambles.

McLaren second time around like him so much they still want to run him at Indy. Toyota, and their drivers have had nothing but nice things to say. Same goes for anyone in IndyCar - I was listening to the Dinner with Racers podcast (a great listen if you like US motorsport) episode with broadcaster Dr Jerry Punch and he, out of nowhere (they were talking about how Scott Dixon would do in F1) mentioned how great Alonso had been to everyone on his visit to Indy (the first time - the episode was from 2017).

tigerboon · 03-08-2020 12:04am

Inquitus wrote: »

Mercedes wouldn't pay Hamilton £40m+ a year if they thought anyone else could do the job as well. That's just not good business!

I'm not a Hamilton fan but I don't hate him either. The simple fact is he's a great driver and is in the dominant car because he earned his place there.
The problem isn't with Hamilton, or even Mercedes, but with F1 not attracting big name manufacturers. The biggest motor company in the world right now is Tesla. Are they remotely interested in F1? What about VW, they invest big time in motorsport and have a lot of good drivers on their books. Reality is that Mercedes are really the only main manufacturer willing to invest big in F1 for whatever reason and they're not even racing their commercial competitors.

liamoreilly · 03-08-2020 1:01am

...Why did Hamilton not just pit after Max did... Had he pitted after him, he'd have had a comfortable lead, and eliminated any chance of car blowing... Plus could also have had a shot at fastest lap possibly?... Or did max pit too late got lewis to get in?..

Stoolbend · 03-08-2020 1:20am

liamoreilly wrote: »

...Why did Hamilton not just pit after Max did... Had he pitted after him, he'd have had a comfortable lead, and eliminated any chance of car blowing... Plus could also have had a shot at fastest lap possibly?... Or did max pit too late got lewis to get in?..

He could have pitted at the end of the penultimate lap. It wouldn't have been possible to get fastest lap. Had he pitted the lap before Max would've stayed out.

Gaoth Laidir · 03-08-2020 6:06am

But for Bottas' bad luck (again) he would have beaten Hamilton, despite his bad luck too. It's just that again Hamilton's bad luck was not as bad as Bottas'.

Harika · 03-08-2020 6:16am

Hamilton hinted that their tyre problems originated from pushing too hard with bottas. Even as it didn't look like, they were racing hard.

Gwynplaine · 03-08-2020 7:53am

First full race I've seen for quite a while. Usually highlights. Was an okay race. Why such hate for Hamilton? Schumacher had a dominant car for years, no one came close to challenging him.
Vettel's heart is gone, Max is a future multiple Champ. Lewis will win 8, maybe 9 championships, and pass the 100 wins.

Wanderer78 · 03-08-2020 8:29am

Gwynplaine wrote:

First full race I've seen for quite a while. Usually highlights. Was an okay race. Why such hate for Hamilton? Schumacher had a dominant car for years, no one came close to challenging him. Vettel's heart is gone, Max is a future multiple Champ. Lewis will win 8, maybe 9 championships, and pass the 100 wins.

I do kinna agree with most of what you said, you can see vettels mind just isn't there, and he's been like that for a long time, it's sad to see, hopefully his move to racing point will reenergise him

rock22 · 03-08-2020 9:35am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

.......you can see vettels mind just isn't there, and he's been like that for a long time, it's sad to see, hopefully his move to racing point will reenergise him

Mark Webber said that " Ferrari had emptied his batteries" which I think sums it up very well. Not too sure Vettel can withstand this psychological pressure for a full season.

if he wants to remain in the sport it might be better to part from Ferrari now and look for a fresh start in 2022

Cookie_Monster · 03-08-2020 9:40am

that was the shouty-ist, most annoying highlights reel I've see to date.
Croft really needs to be told to dial it back

namloc1980 · 03-08-2020 11:16am

Crofty gets an awful lot of stick but he's grand. He's very enthusiastic and that comes across as a bit shouty at times but it isn't terrible by any means.

FPL_Junior · 03-08-2020 12:07pm

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

that was the shouty-ist, most annoying highlights reel I've see to date.
Croft really needs to be told to dial it back

I don’t mind Crofty but feel there are better commentators around. The amount of blunders he makes each weekend is more noticeable and it doesn’t help the casual fan. I’d still like him to stick around just not as lead commentator.

Wanderer78 · 03-08-2020 12:09pm

FPL_Junior wrote: »

I don’t mind Crofty but feel there are better commentators around. The amount of blunders he makes each weekend is more noticeable and it doesn’t help the casual fan. I’d still like him to stick around just not as lead commentator.

ah shur murray made loads of mistakes as well

namloc1980 · 03-08-2020 12:10pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

ah shur murray made loads of mistakes as well

And was fairly shouty too.

El_Duderino 09 · 03-08-2020 4:15pm

Terrible weekend for Vettel. Really sad to see him perform so poorly. Best thing that can be said is that he didn't crash.

I think now is precisely the time when he needs to perform well and put himself in the shop window for other teams like Red Bull and Mercedes, even though those are unlikely to sign him. The number 1 way to get through this season is to beat LeClerc. I think he knows he just isn't fast enough to beat him and he looks like his head has dropped.

He hasn't beaten a good teammate. Beat Webber who was alright/good. Lost to Danny Ric. Beat Kimi who was well past his best, lost to Leclerc last year and in all probability will lose by a big margin this year. If he goes to RP then I expect him to beat Stroll so that's something to look forward to. I doubt he'll ever be top notch again but he might get a bounce from having a new team and an improved car next year.

quokula · 03-08-2020 5:06pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Terrible weekend for Vettel. Really sad to see him perform so poorly. Best thing that can be said is that he didn't crash.

I think now is precisely the time when he needs to perform well and put himself in the shop window for other teams like Red Bull and Mercedes, even though those are unlikely to sign him. The number 1 way to get through this season is to beat LeClerc. I think he knows he just isn't fast enough to beat him and he looks like his head has dropped.

He hasn't beaten a good teammate. Beat Webber who was alright/good. Lost to Danny Ric. Beat Kimi who was well past his best, lost to Leclerc last year and in all probability will lose by a big margin this year. If he goes to RP then I expect him to beat Stroll so that's something to look forward to. I doubt he'll ever be top notch again but he might get a bounce from having a new team and an improved car next year.

He outperformed Leclerc in the previous two races. At this one his car spent more time in the garage getting repaired for multiple different reliability issues than it did on the track when they needed valuable set up time.

I wouldn't write off one of the most successful drivers in the history of the sport on the basis of one bad result when there were clearly issues with the car. It looks like Ferrari have decided where their future lies and are not giving his side of the garage the attention to detail it deserves, they already showed this with their dodgy tactical decisions last year.

Vettel joins good company in the likes of Alonso and Prost before him. Ferrari seem very good at hiring great drivers, giving them terrible machinery, and then shifting all the blame away from the team.

As someone said earlier in this thread. In the last 40 years Ferrari have basically won nothing except for the one specific period when they lured the greatest driver in the history of the sport to drive for them. Their recent decision making suggests they could easily go another 40 years.

Man with broke phone · 03-08-2020 5:08pm

Lads I dont really follow the news outside the races, is it pretty much accepted that Perez will be gone from racing point next year? Is there any ideas on where he will go?

El_Duderino 09 · 03-08-2020 5:18pm

quokula wrote: »

He outperformed Leclerc in the previous two races. At this one his car spent more time in the garage getting repaired for multiple different reliability issues than it did on the track when they needed valuable set up time.

I wouldn't write off one of the most successful drivers in the history of the sport on the basis of one bad result when there were clearly issues with the car. It looks like Ferrari have decided where their future lies and are not giving his side of the garage the attention to detail it deserves,[b/] they already showed this with their dodgy tactical decisions last year.
...

He outperformed LeClerc in Hungary (LeClerc used the terrible soft tyre and to get off the soft he then switched way to early to the hard). But I don't know how you can say who outperformed who in tjensecond Austria race as they both only made it to the fourth corner.

How is it clear that they're not giving Vettel's car the attention it needs? That's not clear at all but it does look like wishful thinking as a way to explain Vettel's recent performance without acknowledging his serious dip in form and numerous crashes and mistakes.

How would you explain him losing (over the course of the season, not just one race) to LeClerc who was in his second season in F1 and first season with Ferrari?

FPL_Junior · 03-08-2020 5:24pm

Man with broke phone wrote: »

Lads I dont really follow the news outside the races, is it pretty much accepted that Perez will be gone from racing point next year? Is there any ideas on where he will go?

Not yet, but if Vettel is signed then there's no chance he gets a seat at Racing Point. Could get a seat at Alpha if Kimi decides to retire.

quokula · 03-08-2020 5:27pm

Man with broke phone wrote: »

Lads I dont really follow the news outside the races, is it pretty much accepted that Perez will be gone from racing point next year? Is there any ideas on where he will go?

Nothing is known. Lots of rumours.

It's rumoured that Vettel is in talks with RP (who become Aston Martin next year).

It's rumoured that if he did sign, he'd replace Perez because Stroll's dad is in control of the team and he's therefore safe.

There are also rumours that Vettel has refused to sign for them under those circumstances, as if they keep Stroll on they're basically making a statement that they're not a serious team who want to move up the grid.

There are also rumours of Perez being in talks with Haas.

There are also rumours that the team were unhappy with him for not taking proper precautions and getting Covid.

As things stand right now though, Perez still has a contract with RP for next year and officially he will still be racing for them.

El_Duderino 09 · 03-08-2020 5:51pm

quokula wrote: »

Nothing is known. Lots of rumours.

There are also rumours that the team were unhappy with him for not taking proper precautions and getting Covid.

As things stand right now though, Perez still has a contract with RP for next year and officially he will still be racing for them.

Re Covid precautions, that's the kind of thing they might say if they were trying build a case to get rid of him. I doubt it would have made any difference to the team's opinion of him if they weren't trying to build a case to get rid of him.

Perez being under contract for next year means they probably need to pay him for next year and then pay Vettel's wages. Vettel must be commanding less than at the height of his Ferrari prospects but still more than a driver like Perez. Very costly for a driver on the way down.

What is Aston Martin's colour scheme?

Edit. AM's colour scheme seems to be light green, dark green and yellow. They could make a lovely looking f1 car from those colours

pjohnson · 03-08-2020 6:49pm

Gutierrez is staying in Silverstone. Juncadella has got the Merc reserve gig for Formula E.

Infoanon · 03-08-2020 7:38pm

pjohnson wrote: »

Gutierrez is staying in Silverstone. Juncadella has got the Merc reserve gig for Formula E.

Esteban is also the reserve driver for Mercedes.

Perez has been very clear that he followed all protocols.

No case against him considering Leclerc and his misjudged selfies from Monaco.

Perez always has the option of bringing his case to the contracts resolution board as everything seems to point to him having an unbreakable contract.

Burkie1203 · 03-08-2020 7:43pm

Infoanon wrote: »

Esteban is also the reserve driver for Mercedes.

Perez has been very clear that he followed all protocols.

No case against him considering Leclerc and his misjudged selfies from Monaco.

Perez always has the option of bringing his case to the contracts resolution board as everything seems to point to him having an unbreakable contract.

It's been suggested now that Perez went to Mexico to try and secure additional funding from sponsors so RP can drop BWT to go with an Aston Martin colour scheme next year.

BWT may switch their sponsorship elsewhere so. Williams maybe.

namloc1980 · 03-08-2020 9:13pm

Kvyat's rear tire completely failed. He's lucky he wasn't hurt.

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recyclebin · 03-08-2020 9:43pm

How did it take them so long to show that angle for Kvyat? Brundle knew it straight away.

AMKC · 03-08-2020 9:45pm

tigerboon wrote: »

I'm not a Hamilton fan but I don't hate him either. The simple fact is he's a great driver and is in the dominant car because he earned his place there.
The problem isn't with Hamilton, or even Mercedes, but with F1 not attracting big name manufacturers. The biggest motor company in the world right now is Tesla. Are they remotely interested in F1? What about VW, they invest big time in motorsport and have a lot of good drivers on their books. Reality is that Mercedes are really the only main manufacturer willing to invest big in F1 for whatever reason and they're not even racing their commercial competitors.

Renault are there too or did you forget that?

AMKC · 03-08-2020 10:04pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

It's been suggested now that Perez went to Mexico to try and secure additional funding from sponsors so RP can drop BWT to go with an Aston Martin colour scheme next year.

BWT may switch their sponsorship elsewhere so. Williams maybe.

Or Haas or Renault or Mclaren or maybe even Alfa Romeo. Whomever offers them the best deal I would say.

Infoanon · 03-08-2020 10:05pm

recyclebin wrote: »

How did it take them so long to show that angle for Kvyat? Brundle knew it straight away.

As did Mark Webber on C4 - literally the second it twitched Webber said 'failure'

Crofty and his take on Albons clash was enough to make me switch over !

tigerboon · 03-08-2020 11:01pm

AMKC wrote: »

Renault are there too or did you forget that?

No, I didn't forget them.

El_Duderino 09 · 04-08-2020 12:31am

AMKC wrote: »

Or Haas or Renault or Mclaren or maybe even Alfa Romeo. Whomever offers them the best deal I would say.

HAAS, Renault and mclaren are all other companies who advertise through F1. Their brand is the main one they want to advertise, not BWT. Williams sold the engineering business so it's just a racing Company at the moment. I'd say they'd happily take the money.

But ultimately, money talks in the sport so anything happen if BWT wants to spend hhe money.

pjohnson · 04-08-2020 9:04am

It was a Tyre failure for Kvyat. Brundle called it perfectly.

Infoanon · 04-08-2020 11:09am

Burkie1203 wrote: »

It's been suggested now that Perez went to Mexico to try and secure additional funding from sponsors so RP can drop BWT to go with an Aston Martin colour scheme next year.

BWT may switch their sponsorship elsewhere so. Williams maybe.

Perez was visiting his mother who had an accident - that's from Sergio.
RP don't need sponsorship to survive unlike other teams

Cork Trucker · 04-08-2020 1:45pm

David Croft (I refuse to call him by his alias) is terrible. After 8 years on Sky a change is needed. Brundle is perfectly fine where he is, in fact most of the Sky F1 team needs clearing. Bring back Georgie Thompson as well please

chopperbyrne · 04-08-2020 2:21pm

Largely uninteresting race, with lots of stoppages, only for the last few laps to provide tonnes of drama.

Wasn't quite Damon Hill in the Arrows in Hungary in 1997, but Hamilton would have been getting quite worried at the end.

namloc1980 · 04-08-2020 4:21pm

Pirelli and F1 have confirmed they are going with the softer tyres for this weekends race - the C2, C3 AND C4 compounds. Pirelli said their initial analysis is that the long tyre stint coupled with the high speed nature of the cars and the circuit saw the biggest forces ever seen on an F1 tyre which ultimately led to the failures.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.long-final-stint-and-biggest-forces-ever-seen-on-tyres-led-to-failures-in.6v9aY8QUAp72Bt5AVmg1hE.html

ELM327 · 04-08-2020 4:46pm

Glad that they arent changing from the 1 step softer

Inquitus · 04-08-2020 4:49pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Glad that they arent changing from the 1 step softer

Don't think it changes things much, will be a 2 stopper for everyone.

ELM327 · 04-08-2020 4:54pm

Would the race have been a comfortable 2 stop going soft medium medium this weekend?

Inquitus · 04-08-2020 5:07pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Would the race have been a comfortable 2 stop going soft medium medium this weekend?

All the frontrunners started on Mediums, so they would have had to have gone Medium then Soft or Hard.

F1 2020 - British Grand Prix

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