F1 2020 - British Grand Prix

jammiedodgers · 02-08-2020 3:50pm

Nearly forgot Charles was in this race. P3 good result.

Faugheen · 02-08-2020 3:51pm

quokula wrote: »

They finished level on points despite Ron Dennis openly admitting that the team was “racing against Alonso” as the relationship deteriorated when Alonso was one of the whistle blowers about the corruption within the team and their use of stolen Ferrari blueprints.

Way off topic though.

Hamilton had more wins. If the title was to be decided that way then Hamilton would have been World Champion.

He beat him after Alonso didn’t like that Hamilton was putting it up to him.

Everyone talks about Hamilton’s attitude but of Alonso had a better one he wouldn’t have burned bridges with nearly every team he’s ever driven for.

Doctors room ghost · 02-08-2020 3:52pm

The camera man that got punched earlier on threw a box of screws on the track i heard on Twitter to liven things up.
He got them on special in Aldi.

*may not necessarily be true

Infoanon · 02-08-2020 3:52pm

astrofluff wrote: »

Verstappen not pitting could have resulted in a flat for himself. They took the safer option. Lewis very, very lucky today.

Max pitted to go for fastest lap.

Kyvats earlier tyre issues should perhaps have been a warning.

Assume next weeks tyre compounds will be changed on safety grounds.

Lewis lucky - Bottas unlucky

quokula · 02-08-2020 3:52pm

astrofluff wrote: »

Verstappen not pitting could have resulted in a flat for himself. They took the safer option. Lewis very, very lucky today.

Incredibly lucky. That’s 25 unearned points gained over Bottas. Not that Bottas is allowed to challenge him, but he does pick up points at the odd race when Hamilton makes a complete mess of things like he did at Austria, and like he’s prone to do semi regularly. But any slight outside chance of Bottas sneaking it is gone now.

d8491prj5boyvg · 02-08-2020 3:52pm

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

It is a tough one isn't it. I'd have stayed out a gambled for the bigger prize.

...but 2 laps from the end, you wouldn't have known that Hamilton would have a tyre failure on the last lap?

quokula · 02-08-2020 3:54pm

Kyle Faint Upstart wrote: »

...but 2 laps from the end, you wouldn't have known that Hamilton would have a tyre failure on the last lap?

Yeah Red Bull couldn’t have predicted that. Stopping at the end to go for fastest lap has become standard practice for them when they have a window to do so, so I wouldn’t blame them for it.

Just typical Hamilton luck. The opposite of Hulkenberg.

weekaizer · 02-08-2020 3:55pm

Faugheen wrote: »

Hamilton had more wins. If the title was to be decided that way then Hamilton would have been World Champion.

He beat him after Alonso didn’t like that Hamilton was putting it up to him.

Everyone talks about Hamilton’s attitude but of Alonso had a better one he wouldn’t have burned bridges with nearly every team he’s ever driven for.

Actually they both won 4 races that year.

02-08-2020 3:55pm

astrofluff wrote: »

Verstappen not pitting could have resulted in a flat for himself. They took the safer option. Lewis very, very lucky today.

True but if they had pitted Max 10 laps ago he would have been closer to Hamilton and would have won. LeClerc was so far back it would have made no odds.

quokula · 02-08-2020 3:56pm

Faugheen wrote: »

Hamilton had more wins. If the title was to be decided that way then Hamilton would have been World Champion.

He beat him after Alonso didn’t like that Hamilton was putting it up to him.

Everyone talks about Hamilton’s attitude but of Alonso had a better one he wouldn’t have burned bridges with nearly every team he’s ever driven for.

Hamilton didn’t have more wins. Given that you’ve shown yourself willing to lie to prove your point I’m not going to argue with you. Maybe you should go follow him on Twitter and share some anti-vaccine propaganda while you’re on a roll with the misinformation.

d8491prj5boyvg · 02-08-2020 3:57pm

If Verstappen pitted earlier, so too would have Hamilton and he would have gotten the fastest lap. He could only do it when Hamilton could not. So an earlier stop was of no benefit.

If Verstappen did not pit when he did, he would have foregone the chance to get fastest lap and run the risk of a blowout. For what, a slim to zero chance that Hamilton's tyre fails?!

Just because we know that it failed doesn't mean they didn't make the right decision at the time. The chance was much less than 50%, probably less than 20%. Red Bull did the right thing.

errlloyd · 02-08-2020 3:59pm

Faugheen wrote: »

Ah lads the commentators saying why did they pit Max.

They had a pit stop ahead of LeClerc for well over 20 laps. They should have pit him earlier.

If they had pitted him earlier for fastest lap, then Hamilton would have also been free to pit for fastest lap. If you're going to do it you have to do it last...

Faugheen · 02-08-2020 3:59pm

quokula wrote: »

Hamilton didn’t have more wins. Given that you’ve shown yourself willing to lie to prove your point I’m not going to argue with you. Maybe you should go follow him on Twitter and share some anti-vaccine propaganda while you’re on a roll with the misinformation.

My apologies. Either way he won the tie-breaker.

He beat Alonso, a two-time defending champion, as a rookie.

Dry your eyes and accept facts. Hamilton is one of the greatest of all time.

The fact the same bull**** comes up every weekend is tiring.

dublinman1990 · 02-08-2020 3:59pm

Lewis got 2 trophies for his efforts. What's the first one like.

quokula · 02-08-2020 4:04pm

Faugheen wrote: »

My apologies. Either way he won the tie-breaker.

He beat Alonso, a two-time defending champion, as a rookie.

Dry your eyes and accept facts. Hamilton is one of the greatest of all time.

The fact the same bull**** comes up every weekend is tiring.

You’re confusing your misguided opinion with facts.

skipper_G · 02-08-2020 4:05pm

Infoanon wrote: »

Max pitted to go for fastest lap.

Kyvats earlier tyre issues should perhaps have been a warning.

Assume next weeks tyre compounds will be changed on safety grounds.

Lewis lucky - Bottas unlucky

Why would they change the tyres on safety grounds? It's up to the teams to manage their own tyre strategies. Nothing says they have to do a one stop. If they were worried about the degradation they should have reacted and switch to a 2 stop

Inquitus · 02-08-2020 4:06pm

skipper_G wrote: »

Why would they change the tyres on safety grounds? It's up to the teams to manage their own tyre strategies. Nothing says they have to do a one stop. If they were worried about the degradation they should have reacted and switch to a 2 stop

Its a safety issue, the tyres are failing not wearing out, Kvyat was a very lucky boy, that crash was at a very high speed point on the circuit and it was great he was able to walk away.

Faugheen · 02-08-2020 4:09pm

Inquitus wrote: »

Its a safety issue, the tyres are failing not wearing out, Kvyat was a very lucky boy, that crash was at a very high speed point on the circuit and it was great he was able to walk away.

So then do a three-stop next week.

These races are boring enough as it is without giving the teams the chance to only do one stop as well.

Faugheen · 02-08-2020 4:14pm

quokula wrote: »

You’re confusing your misguided opinion with facts.

6-time world champion.

Beat every team-mate he’s ever had, including three world champions.

Mine might only be opinions, but I can back mine up with facts. You just spew rage and sarcasm.

AMKC · 02-08-2020 4:15pm

Inquitus wrote: »

Its a safety issue, the tyres are failing not wearing out, Kvyat was a very lucky boy, that crash was at a very high speed point on the circuit and it was great he was able to walk away.

Thankfully them F1 cars are designed to withstand these big crashes and protect the drivers. If that had of been 15 or 20 years ago it might have been a bit worse but still not near as bad as the 50s, 60s or 70s.

Infoanon · 02-08-2020 4:16pm

Faugheen wrote: »

So then do a three-stop next week.

These races are boring enough as it is without giving the teams the chance to only do one stop as well.

That's not how these situations play out - there is a question mark over the tyres - 4 failures - safety will be the grounds for change.

skipper_G · 02-08-2020 4:17pm

Inquitus wrote: »

Its a safety issue, the tyres are failing not wearing out, Kvyat was a very lucky boy, that crash was at a very high speed point on the circuit and it was great he was able to walk away.

The Kvyat incident was nothing like the issues seen elsewhere

Burkie1203 · 02-08-2020 4:18pm

Infoanon wrote: »

That's not how these situations play out - there is a question mark over the tyres - 4 failures - safety will be the grounds for change.

Or they can drop the number of laps a tyre can expect to do by 10-20%

Harika · 02-08-2020 4:19pm

Infoanon wrote: »

That's not how these situations play out - there is a question mark over the tyres - 4 failures - safety will be the grounds for change.

Change to an even harder compound or Pirelli reducing advised tyre life?
Just saw Pirelli advised to do less laps on hard then the guys did. 4 laps delta. Safety car option sure, at the end they overstretched

02-08-2020 4:19pm

Get them all to pit 3 times and throw in a bit if refuelling too for the craic.

weekaizer · 02-08-2020 4:23pm

Faugheen wrote: »

6-time world champion.

Beat every team-mate he’s ever had, including three world champions.

Mine might only be opinions, but I can back mine up with facts. You just spew rage and sarcasm.

He finished level on points with Alonso despite the team effectively falling out with Alonso midway through the year.. Then he whipped kovalainen! No surprise there. Jenson button outscored hamilton over the 3 years They had together. Then he only had rosberg for competition from 13-16 and rosberg beat him once, and now he’s got a toothless bottas who doesn’t even want to beat Lewis so who else is there to stop him winning!?
He’s so overrated, incredibly unlikeable and insufferable. Himself and merc are destroying the sport.

skipper_G · 02-08-2020 4:23pm

Harika wrote: »

Change to an even harder compound or Pirelli reducing advised tyre life?

Reducing the advised tyre life is exactly what they should do. Changing the compounds would be a knee jerk overreaction. The teams will just go with 2 stops next weekend

comedown · 02-08-2020 4:28pm

Faugheen wrote: »

My apologies. Either way he won the tie-breaker.

He beat Alonso, a two-time defending champion, as a rookie.

Dry your eyes and accept facts. Hamilton is one of the greatest of all time.

The fact the same bull**** comes up every weekend is tiring.

The stats show Alonso was the quicker of the two.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single-seaters/f1/beneath-alonsos-team-mate-dominance

Personally think Hamilton is a good driver but has had a ridiculously fortunate career. I'd rate Alonso higher personally. Also think Verstappen would destroy Hamilton in equal machinery.

namloc1980 · 02-08-2020 4:28pm

Pirelli have some questions to answer.

dublinman1990 · 02-08-2020 4:31pm

Eva is talking to Lando on Channel 4.

Harika · 02-08-2020 4:33pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

Pirelli have some questions to answer.

Like why did tyres that were advised to run for 36 laps maximum, explode after 40 laps?

:pac:

namloc1980 · 02-08-2020 4:33pm

Harika wrote: »

Like why did tyres that were advised to run for 36 laps maximum, explode after 40 laps? :pac:

Did you not see Kvyat's tire failing?

weekaizer · 02-08-2020 4:36pm

comedown wrote: »

The stats show Alonso was the quicker of the two.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single-seaters/f1/beneath-alonsos-team-mate-dominance

Personally think Hamilton is a good driver but has had a ridiculously fortunate career. I'd rate Alonso higher personally. Also think Verstappen would destroy Hamilton in equal machinery.

He is a good driver... a lot better than bottas that’s for sure and at the moment that’s all he has had to do and it’s all he has to do to for the foreseeable future to rewrite the history books. He has to give the press and media something else to focus on so he’s starting to dapple in politics but he really is out of his depth on what weive seen so far.

Infoanon · 02-08-2020 4:40pm

Does Pirellis advisory that tyre life is 36 laps mean they expect complete failure afret that ?

I thought tyre life was an indicator of degradation?

Harika · 02-08-2020 4:44pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

Did you not see Kvyat's tire failing?

Brundle said it was a tyre failure, until now I haven't heard anything official why it happened.

Charlie-Bravo · 02-08-2020 4:54pm

Tyres for next week are one step softer across the range. If pirelli say that today's mediums only do 20-odd laps, it just means we'll definitely have a two-stop race. The strategy may make it interesting, but I fear they know enough about today's mediums that'll it only neutralise the racing. Expect more a procession with passing only in pits as drivers try to save tyre life.

namloc1980 · 02-08-2020 4:58pm

Definitely 2 stops next week on the even softer compounds. Good drive from Gasly today, he seems really happy in the Alpha Tauri. Decent result for Albon too.

Inquitus · 02-08-2020 5:06pm

Did Hamilton get a Grand Slam this weekend then, Pole, Led every lap and won the race?

Harika · 02-08-2020 5:10pm

Inquitus wrote: »

Did Hamilton get a Grand Slam this weekend then, Pole, Led every lap and won the race?

Fastest lap he missed

Inquitus · 02-08-2020 5:11pm

Harika wrote: »

Fastest lap he missed

Aye just realised, Max got that!

youreadthat · 02-08-2020 5:14pm

weekaizer wrote: »

He finished level on points with Alonso despite the team effectively falling out with Alonso midway through the year.. Then he whipped kovalainen! No surprise there. Jenson button outscored hamilton over the 3 years They had together. Then he only had rosberg for competition from 13-16 and rosberg beat him once, and now he’s got a toothless bottas who doesn’t even want to beat Lewis so who else is there to stop him winning!?
He’s so overrated, incredibly unlikeable and insufferable. Himself and merc are destroying the sport.

Yummy salty tears. No way have you watched every race since he started. Even the saltiest Button fan (and there are many) who had would not come to these conclusions.

pjohnson · 02-08-2020 5:19pm

Today was possibly a two stop for a few teams but the 12 laps behind safety car probably encouraged them to push more.

FPL_Junior · 02-08-2020 5:24pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

Definitely 2 stops next week on the even softer compounds. Good drive from Gasly today, he seems really happy in the Alpha Tauri. Decent result for Albon too.

Definitely seems the case with it looking to be warmer next Sunday too. Like Max in the RB, it seems to be the perfect car for Gasly.

namloc1980 · 02-08-2020 5:25pm

Wtf was Grosjean up to? He could have caused very serious incidents a number of times.

Jordan 199 · 02-08-2020 5:27pm

Grosjean haas to go.

AMKC · 02-08-2020 5:44pm

Grosjean haas had it. I think he just does not understand what he was doing wrong but at least he said sorry. I suppose it's a bit like that other thing in the sport with the ball. Some people get it and some do not. I for one never did get it.

Hijpo · 02-08-2020 5:47pm

Any chance we can get a Lewis Hamilton discussion thread? I'd rather read opinions on the race in the race thread rather than a stream of posts back and forthing about hamiltons past.

namloc1980 · 02-08-2020 6:38pm

Hamilton is 30 points ahead after today which basically means he has a whole race in hand over Bottas.

firemansam4 · 02-08-2020 7:32pm

Hamilton is an average driver who has been fortunate to be in a far superior F1 car than any other teams for many years. Not only that, he has been given a free run in that team with token second drivers as team mates.

IMO I reckon there is probably at least 5 or 6 better drivers on the grid than him at the moment that would make a fool of him if they were given level pegging in the same car, and that is probably being kind to him.

Inquitus · 02-08-2020 7:40pm

firemansam4 wrote: »

Hamilton is an average driver who has been fortunate to be in a far superior F1 car than any other teams for many years. Not only that, he has been given a free run in that team with token second drivers as team mates.

IMO I reckon there is probably at least 5 or 6 better drivers on the grid than him at the moment that would make a fool of him if they were given level pegging in the same car, and that is probably being kind to him.

What a load of nonsense! Go back to watching Fireman Sam :P

F1 2020 - British Grand Prix

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