Masks

odyssey06 wrote: »

It will be reflected in the case numbers.. but without a control group how do you say we had X less cases for specific reason Y?
For any measure?

Grand so, back to my original question, as to when do people think can we start to see this? Must be starting within the next week or so?
Seeing as no other measure has been changed other than the mask mandate on 20th July since 29th June, we can be pretty sure no?

A reminder as well that our 7 day average for the weeks coming up to the mandate decision were less than 20, often less than 10. It realistically couldn't have been any lower. Which forms part of my point, we got that level after 2 months of all retail being open.

For those who say they won’t wear a mask and currently don’t , what will happen when it becomes law in a week or two ?
Will people run the risk of getting fined or will you wait till it’s legally enforced ?

Irish_peppa wrote: »

I have started wearing a mask in shops in last few weeks, relatively young no underlying illnesses Have noticed more and more people wearing them and I honestly dont mind them. Feel a bit more protected too while wearing it.
Although i must admit I got a nice black one from amazon wouldnt like to wear one of those medical ones i still have to look cool I must check if i can get a bane style mask :cool:

One of my friends on FB has started collecting them. He’s a body builder and he looks damn menacing and cool in his Hulk mask

setanta1984 wrote: »

It's almost as if certain settings require different measures. Your graph points out that people providing close contact care to ill or vulnerable people should wear masks (and not just any old cloth, medical grade protection) - absolutely nobody would challenge this.

The question is about proportionate measures - the fact that we don't have the equivalent data imo shows that shopping etc. is not a big enough risk to require this country to make it against the law (eventually) to go to tesco or buy petrol without masks.

I'm pretty surprised that with all the championing of the mandatory masks decision, people don't actually expect it to be reflected in case numbers?

But the graph does not show HCW's getting sick from LTRC's, it shows LTRC's getting sick from HCW's and then it shows HCW's donning surgical masks and then a serious fall in transmission. The HCW's in these settings were not given medical grade protection, they were given surgical masks. Surgical masks are not designed and never were deisgned to protect the wearer, much the same as 'any old cloth' mask.

Proportionate measures would be ideal if we were all in this together, but sadly we are not. Zero data is zero data, your opinion is just your opinion. The person down the road may be of the opinion that the GOV did not want to scare people from using essential services during an already stressful enough time so bulled on with social distancing and hand hygiene and did not collect data for supermarkets.

Throwing some practical common sense on your face during a pandemic is not a victory, can't expect and don't expect it to be reflected in case numbers when the ships taking water, 75,000+ arrivals last month.

I had a good laugh at the guy today in my local Aldi. He had this T-shirt pulled up over his face and nose.

Won’t mind but they had tonnes of actual masks for sale.

This is going to upset some corners....



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Graham wrote: »

If that's self inflicted, they'd come around quick enough.

For those that can't wear a mask for legitimate medical reasons, €20 on top of the PUP to cover deliveries or an hour during the day where they are permitted to enter shops unmasked.

Many could wear face shields, which would still reduce some types of transmission. Otherwise, as you say, and the government should people with genuine issues e.g. pay for delivery.

That's a dangerous territory

Frankx wrote: »

The case for wearing masks

Does it take account of the fact that people are not using them properly, playing around with them and touching items in shops

People wear seatbelts incorrectly e.g. under shoulders or not clicked in etc. Does incorrect usage mean seatbelts should not be used?

joeguevara wrote: »

People wear seatbelts incorrectly e.g. under shoulders or not clicked in etc. Does incorrect usage mean seatbelts should not be used?

Are you seriously equating the wearing of seat belts to the wearing of face coverings?

joeguevara wrote: »

The poster that I replied to made an assertion of not wearing masks due to people wearing them incorrectly.

But to break it down masks save lives. Seatbelts save lives. Wear both.

I’m actually fcuking sick of discussing this with morons who have no clue and thinking that they no better than world experts or think their debates are intellectual.

That pretty much sums it up.

joeguevara wrote: »

The poster that I replied to made an assertion of not wearing masks due to people wearing them incorrectly.

But to break it down masks save lives. Seatbelts save lives. Wear both.

I’m actually fcuking sick of discussing this with morons who have no clue and thinking that they no better than world experts or think their debates are intellectual.

How are people who disagree with you morons? There is so much conflicting 'evidence' on everything to do with this virus.
Whilst I appreciate it can sometimes be frustrating when someone disagrees with us, it's nosensical to brand people morons because they have a different view and IMO, a right to that view. There's very little incontrovertible fact around this virus. There are no experts really at this point. Many esteemed medical professionals still disagree on many aspects.
You're not an expert either yet you choose to reply as though you're omniscient about this virus and people who take a different view are branded morons. Don't you see anything off with that standpoint?

Not to put too fine a point on it but you spelled 'know' as 'no'. Somebody could easily call you a moron for that, if they chose to be picky and rude.

WAW wrote: »

How are people who disagree with you morons? There is so much conflicting 'evidence' on everything to do with this virus.
Whilst I appreciate it can sometimes be frustrating when someone disagrees with us, it's nosensical to brand people morons because they have a different view and IMO, a right to that view. There's very little incontrovertible fact around this virus. There are no experts really at this point. Many esteemed medical professionals still disagree on many aspects.
You're not an expert either yet you choose to reply as though you're omniscient about this virus and people who take a different view are branded morons. Don't you see anything off with that standpoint?

Not to put too fine a point on it but you spelled 'know' as 'no'. Somebody could easily call you a moron for that, if they chose to be picky and rude.

This is the thing. I’m not saying that anyone who disagrees with me is a moron. I’m saying that people who disagree with fcucking medical experts are morons. And pseudo intellectuals who try and bolster an argument with a doctor that disagrees, is also a moron as guaranteed their so called expert is a fake or no clue what they are talking about.

Yes it’s a new virus. Yes new stuff is being discovered daily. But anyone who doesn’t wear a mask when in enclosed space should be sectioned. I’m sick of mincing my words. There is no argument for not putting on a mask in an enclosed space where others are.