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Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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  • #4262
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,450 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    I’d love to see their pneumonia chart

    I've only seen figures for a few states and the excess pneumonia deaths are crazy high.

    In a few years time, it will be looking back on excess deaths which will show the true toll. It will also show any preventative illnesses, mainly cancer, that went undetected. It will be a very high death toll worldwide.


  • #4263
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,174 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    gabeeg wrote: »
    It was. I jumped the gun.

    I make no apologies though. Sorry.

    Accuse me of something, admit you were wrong, but refuse to apologise

    Weird person


  • #4264
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,646 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    spookwoman wrote: »
    Age should have no bearing on it, no one can say if they will survive getting infected or if they will have long term health problems if they do. There seems to be this belief and it's been there from that start that younger people are not as badly affected by it. It's like the Trump worshipers and the masks, they won't wear them and even when their own lot who were very outspoken on the subject die they still won't put on a mask.
    i said this near the start This won't be a case of survival of the fittest, it will be survival of the smartest.

    The median age of death in Ireland is 83.

    Below 40 the mortality rate is normal as for all causes.

    Its no more dangerous to young people than any other cause.

    Despite your battle cry, the numbers in hospital are minimal. The best chance of survival is primarily not being a nursing home patient


  • #4265
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,174 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    I've only seen figures for a few states and the excess pneumonia deaths are crazy high.

    In a few years time, it will be looking back on excess deaths which will show the true toll. It will also show any preventative illnesses, mainly cancer, that went undetected. It will be a very high death toll worldwide.

    But Trump...election...gotta keep him looking good

    I wonder has "him" taking over the releasing of the figures got anything to do with the low death rates

    Who is now collating the information for public dissemination


  • #4266
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Thank you :D I’m still in university

    Well for the crime of posting a dodgy news link most probably by accident I'll be writing to your college for you to be expelled immediately. I'll also start a petition for you to get publicly flogged, numbers guy !


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  • #4267
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,174 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    The median age of death in Ireland is 83.

    Below 40 the mortality rate is normal as for all causes.

    Its no more dangerous to young people than any other cause.

    Despite your battle cry, the numbers in hospital are minimal. The best chance of survival is primarily not being a nursing home patient

    Unfortunately with any novel virus we don't know how it will mutate - as seen with the Spanish flu - it could very easily come back to bite us in the bum

    Like many countries we didn't protect the elderly
    Now it seems to be spreading in the younger population for obvious reasons

    We don't want to take any chances and just eradicate it thru good etiquette and vaccines


  • #4268
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,450 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    fritzelly wrote: »
    But Trump...election...gotta keep him looking good

    I wonder has "him" taking over the releasing of the figures got anything to do with the low death rates

    Who is now collating the information for public dissemination
    I wouldn't consider 1k a day for 5 straight days, low death rates. But you're right that the CDC are not compiling the numbers anymore.
    I'd be more concerned about the testing, it seems that they have maxed out at about 65k positive tests a day.

    You don't have to just look at the US, the UK decided after their peak to start adding in non hospital deaths, it looked like they didn't want that 1k deaths a day broken too often.


  • #4269
    gabeeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Accuse me of something, admit you were wrong, but refuse to apologise

    Weird person

    I see you're new to the world of jokes.

    Once again I'm envious.


  • #4270
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    gabeeg wrote: »
    Sometimes things move the needle, pal. See the black death for more details.

    And clearly you've yet to discover modern medicine. There's a whole world of stuff that clearly you know nothing about.

    I'm almost jealous of you. Wait until you start learning about actual stuff for a change. Imagine having literally all of human history right in front of you, waiting to be discovered.

    In some ways you're a very, very lucky person. Enjoy it.

    If you're comparing covid to the black death then you're the one who needs the history lesson.


  • #4271
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    gabeeg wrote: »
    I'm an expert on virology

    im-spartacus-B.png


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  • #4272
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,174 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    I wouldn't consider 1k a day for 5 straight days, low death rates. But you're right that the CDC are not compiling the numbers anymore.
    I'd be more concerned about the testing, it seems that they have maxed out at about 65k positive tests a day.

    You don't have to just look at the US, the UK decided after their peak to start adding in non hospital deaths, it looked like they didn't want that 1k deaths a day broken too often.

    At 1k a day its about half what our daily death rate was in Ireland (at it's worst), population adjusted

    Maybe not a great way to compare it - but seems weird


  • #4273
    gabeeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    If you're comparing covid to the black death then you're the one who needs the history lesson.

    Ah but I'm not!

    I'm saying that the idea that the rate of mortality is steady throughout history is more than a little silly.

    If you read back you'll see that you've made a blunder.
    Don't worry about it though, this is a safe space


  • #4274
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    gabeeg wrote: »
    Ah but I'm not!

    I'm saying that the idea that the rate of mortality is steady throughout history is more than a little silly.

    If you read back you'll see that you've made a blunder.
    Don't worry about it though, this is a safe space

    I made no blunder. You used the black death as an example of the mortality rate needle being pushed up. Comparing covid and the black death is like comparing a paper cut to being mauled by a bear.


  • #4275
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    The median age of death in Ireland is 83.

    Below 40 the mortality rate is normal as for all causes.

    Its no more dangerous to young people than any other cause.

    Despite your battle cry, the numbers in hospital are minimal. The best chance of survival is primarily not being a nursing home patient

    Try telling that to those that have died and not living in nursing homes. Sure it only kills the old.... :rolleyes:


  • #4276
    gabeeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    I made no blunder. You used the black death as an example of the mortality rate needle being pushed up. Comparing covid and the black death is like comparing a paper cut to being mauled by a bear.

    I invited you to re-read what was actually said but you've clearly declined and decided to peruse a course of maximum bull****.

    It's an interesting tactic. Does it usually serve you well?


  • #4277
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    gabeeg wrote: »
    Money well spent clearly

    Can't debate, gets personal. Seems to be an MO of yours.


  • #4278
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    spookwoman wrote: »
    Try telling that to those that have died and not living in nursing homes. Sure it only kills the old.... :rolleyes:

    Well if the government hadn't dropped the ball on nursing homes and left them to fend for themselves our fatality rate would be much much lower. The 85+ demographic we're overrepresented in the cases and death rate throughout March to May.


  • #4279
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    Well if the government hadn't dropped the ball on nursing homes and left them to fend for themselves our fatality rate would be much much lower. The 85+ demographic we're overrepresented in the cases and death rate throughout March to May.
    and how does that change the number of people who died who had nothing to do with living in nursing home?


  • #4280
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    gabeeg wrote: »
    I invited you to re-read what was actually said but you've clearly declined and decided to peruse a course of maximum bull****.

    It's an interesting tactic. Does it usually serve you well?

    Well there's no point in debating an expert of virology. Especially one who draws comparison to covid and the bubonic plague. Stop trying to embellish some second meaning to your earlier post. Also nice swipe about Citizens college education. Classy.


  • #4281
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,646 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    Well if the government hadn't dropped the ball on nursing homes and left them to fend for themselves our fatality rate would be much much lower. The 85+ demographic we're overrepresented in the cases and death rate throughout March to May.

    Exactly.

    So using those numbers the vaccine wont lower the death rate in Ireland.

    It will prevent, however, prevent hospital's becomming overwhelmed with patients requiring acute care, many of whom survived so far.

    I belive the figure that died in ICU in Ireland is quite low, ie the number of patients deemed healthy enough to recieve ICU treatment


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  • #4282
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,174 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    Well if the government hadn't dropped the ball on nursing homes and left them to fend for themselves our fatality rate would be much much lower. The 85+ demographic we're overrepresented in the cases and death rate throughout March to May.

    Was it the government or was it NPHET and the HSE
    Private homes calling out for help while raking in thousands of euros

    Think there is plenty of blame to go around there. Some got on with it and did what was needed without crowing


  • #4283
    gabeeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Can't debate, gets personal. Seems to be an MO of yours.

    It really is. Well spotted.

    It would be an utter waste of time to debate anything with the like of yourself. I don't mean you personally obviously, because you'd snitch on me if I did.

    I'm just talking in general.


  • #4284
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    spookwoman wrote: »
    and how does that change the number of people who died who had nothing to do with living in nursing home?

    What I'm saying is if you look at the numbers the 85+ demographic bore the brunt of fatalities. I'm not dismissing their deaths or anyone elses despite what you've said about other posters and their cousins and grannies bizarrely enough.


  • #4285
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,450 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    fritzelly wrote: »
    At 1k a day its about half what our daily death rate was in Ireland (at it's worst), population adjusted

    Maybe not a great way to compare it - but seems weird

    I'm not sure what figures you're using, but as you mention "at it's worst", that was a peak, the US is having 1k+ a day for 5 days straight.
    Let's not also forget the 2k+ deaths they had for 2 weeks already back in April.

    The deaths per capita stats always puzzle me in a way. It's almost like the bigger the population the more acceptable the deaths are.


  • #4286
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    What I'm saying is if you look at the numbers the 85+ demographic bore the brunt of fatalities. I'm not dismissing their deaths or anyone elses despite what you've said about other posters and their cousins and grannies bizarrely enough.

    and....? Changing the subject and blaming the gov etc on deaths in Nursing homes still doesn't change the fact that people died who were not living in nursing homes.
    Stop trying to deflect


  • #4287
    gabeeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    Well there's no point in debating an expert of virology. Especially one who draws comparison to covid and the bubonic plague. Stop trying to embellish some second meaning to your earlier post. Also nice swipe about Citizens college education. Classy.

    Again, and for the last time, I did not draw a comparison to covid and the bubonic plague. I mean, there is a comparison to be made obviously as they're both plagues, but that is not what I did.
    Carry on being dishonest about it though by all means.

    As for citizen, well you know how we're all anonymous here?
    I struggle to believe someone like that attends a University. I mean he plugged a conspiracy website earlier.
    I mean no offense. I'm only going by what I see.

    If he's in third level education, I'm a virologist


  • #4288
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    spookwoman wrote: »
    and....? Changing the subject and blaming the gov etc on deaths in Nursing homes still doesn't change the fact that people died who were not living in nursing homes.
    Stop trying to deflect

    Did I ever say only people in nursing homes died? Are you reading what I'm actually saying or your own version of it?


  • #4289
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,174 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    I'm not sure what figures you're using, but as you mention "at it's worst", that was a peak, the US is having 1k+ a day for 5 days straight.
    Let's not also forget the 2k+ deaths they had for 2 weeks already back in April.

    The deaths per capita stats always puzzle me in a way. It's almost like the bigger the population the more acceptable the deaths are.

    We had many many days where our death rate (30-40) was half what the US is now currently reporting
    NY alone in April was reporting 400-500 deaths a day, yet now the whole country is only reporting 1000
    Florida with a largely elderly population is reporting a few hundred a day

    Dunno what the "more acceptable deaths" part is meant to mean


  • #4290
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,450 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    gabeeg wrote: »
    Again, and for the last time, I did not draw a comparison to covid and the bubonic plague. I mean, there is a comparison to be made obviously as they're both plagues, but that is not what I did.
    Carry on being dishonest about it though by all means.

    As for citizen, well you know how we're all anonymous here?
    I struggle to believe someone like that attends a University. I mean he plugged a conspiracy website earlier.
    I mean no offense. I'm only going by what I see.

    If he's in third level education, I'm a virologist

    Ah here, he contributes a lot and a lot on facts and figures.
    He linked a conspiracy site earlier and within 5 mins of people calling it (calling it, not him) out, he removed the link. Had he tried to defend it, that be a different story.


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  • #4291
    gabeeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    Did I ever say only people in nursing homes died? Are you reading what I'm actually saying or your own version of it?

    Oh so now you care about the veracity of what people actually said?

    Great! Nice to see you've turned a corner


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