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It's not proprietary, it's CCS. Which is the only standard of fast charging we have in Europe going forward.
Tesla controls who can charge on them though, same as the ESB, Ionity and all others control who can charge on their CCS chargers. Which are also non-propietary
Just like Earlsfort Terrace being free parking on Sundays, Tesla superchargers very likely are proprietary. The CCS socket isn't, but that's just one small component of the whole V3 design. If someone else sold a charger that was identical to the V3, they'd get sued. That's proprietary. And Ionity chargers are very likely proprietary too.
Just saying, if you're gonna roll out the winky emoji, you've gotta get it right!
Anyway, you know that what KCross means is that the Tesla supercharger network is an exclusive one.0 -
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People will spend 30 mins charging an Outlander when its cheaper to put petrol in it, there seems to be alot of people who put a very low value on their own time.
Electric is cheaper than petrol, but I would agree a lot of people have very low value on their own time,
buying a car that has to be charged every 200-450 km your going to be at some stage stuck waiting at a charger unlike an outlander or i3 rex and some of the newer merc's coming, one can simple keep going and charge when its convenient, :D:D 0 -
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Electric is cheaper than petrol, but I would agree a lot of people have very low value on their own time, buying a car that has to be charged every 200-450 km your going to be at some stage stuck waiting at a charger unlike an outlander or i3 rex and some of the newer merc's coming, one can simple keep going and charge when its convenient, :D:D
I'd hazard a guess that with a 400km range EV, you'd spend less time waiting to charge/waiting while charging than you would waste going to a petrol station/filling up with petrol. (I say "going to a petrol station" because for me at least I never just happened to be at a petrol station, I always detoured to get to one when I needed a fill).0 -
Black_Knight wrote: »I'd hazard a guess that with a 400km range EV, you'd spend less time waiting to charge/waiting while charging than you would waste going to a petrol station/filling up with petrol. (I say "going to a petrol station" because for me at least I never just happened to be at a petrol station, I always detoured to get to one when I needed a fill).
Sure but a 400 km car costs what? 37k to 100k new, 2nd hand tesla 30 k, less if your lucky, and then worry about screens/door handles and computers etc.
Will a 400km car will do 400km in 5 years time?
Even if I had one, I would not keep it charged to 100% all of time, its a bad thing right? So Its now a 320 km car in the morning after charging to 80%, my regular driving is not much 40 km or so, now I am home with 280 km so that means any call/need from work or family means I need a charge, as I am 160 km from anything of importance.
With the present state of the network that could mean 30 minutes or more I would not have or care to waste.
I see the benefits of BEV but most of you with one also have a 2nd car to fall back on, I don't.
I always have enough petrol in my car to get me to a 24 hour petrol station and would pass by them not go to them, last time I put petrol in was in April a whole 25 euros worth, with 11 L still left in it ATM.
Right now I am going to town, while she is in lidl I am going to charge for 25 minutes or so and then home all for the pricely sum of 1.80 euro if some one is charging, I am down to 8 liters. fingers crossed:D:D 0 -
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Sure but a 400 km car costs what? 37k to 100k new, 2nd hand tesla 30 k, less if your lucky, and then worry about screens/door handles and computers etc.
Will a 400km car will do 400km in 5 years time?
Even if I had one, I would not keep it charged to 100% all of time, its a bad thing right? So Its now a 320 km car in the morning after charging to 80%, my regular driving is not much 40 km or so, now I am home with 280 km so that means any call/need from work or family means I need a charge, as I am 160 km from anything of importance.
With the present state of the network that could mean 30 minutes or more I would not have or care to waste.
I see the benefits of BEV but most of you with one also have a 2nd car to fall back on, I don't.
I always have enough petrol in my car to get me to a 24 hour petrol station and would pass by them not go to them, last time I put petrol in was in April a whole 25 euros worth, with 11 L still left in it ATM.
Right now I am going to town, while she is in lidl I am going to charge for 25 minutes or so and then home all for the pricely sum of 1.80 euro if some one is charging, I am down to 8 liters. fingers crossed:D:D
Cost is a different talking point. Nothing to do with "wasting time charging/fuelling up".
Your "what if" scenario, is just that. It's not a typical day. Being 160km from work/family isn't exactly typical either. (Also assumes you arrive and turn around, rather than top up at your destination, though maybe your work brings this scenario).CSO says the average commute is 15km if I remember correctly. Eventually, my point is your setup doesn't sound very typical in Ireland. By your own figures you've only used about 9liters if fuel since April. Hardly the 100s of km you mention.
No one likes wasting time, but my point is that with an EV it's a chunk of time. ICE involves lots of little wastes of time, which I suggest add up to more than what one would experience in a 400km range EV.
For all intents and purposes, we're a 1 car bev household. Our ioniq is our main car, whether going to the shops, or up the country (out of range), and a decent spin. Our second car has been parked up for months, even before the pandemic it was rarely used. Going to declare it off the road when tax expires and if it gets no use, I'll set about convincing the wife we sell it. It would likely correspond with upgrading the ioniq though. 200km is a bit on the low side if it's our only car, especially with growing kids and more staycations on the cards.0 -
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Sure but a 400 km car costs what? 37k to 100k new, 2nd hand tesla 30 k, less if your lucky, and then worry about screens/door handles and computers etc.
Will a 400km car will do 400km in 5 years time?
Even if I had one, I would not keep it charged to 100% all of time, its a bad thing right? So Its now a 320 km car in the morning after charging to 80%, my regular driving is not much 40 km or so, now I am home with 280 km so that means any call/need from work or family means I need a charge, as I am 160 km from anything of importance.
With the present state of the network that could mean 30 minutes or more I would not have or care to waste.
I see the benefits of BEV but most of you with one also have a 2nd car to fall back on, I don't.
I always have enough petrol in my car to get me to a 24 hour petrol station and would pass by them not go to them, last time I put petrol in was in April a whole 25 euros worth, with 11 L still left in it ATM.
Right now I am going to town, while she is in lidl I am going to charge for 25 minutes or so and then home all for the pricely sum of 1.80 euro if some one is charging, I am down to 8 liters. fingers crossed:D:D
BEV is my only car. 80% for me is 380kms.
Even when I had the 28kWh Ioniq I was never caught short of a charge. I will admit that I need to think about it... for a few seconds after I park: does the car need to be plugged in? Nah, be grand.
But then I don't need 320 Kms to get to work and back. Even if I did, I still have 380Kms at 80%.
I'm done with fossil fuelled cars.0 -
unkel wrote:Nonsense. In most other countries the private sector is doing exactly this. You won't find any state operated network of fast charging stations in the Netherlands, a country years ahead of us when it comes to EVs and their infrastructure. There are fast charging hubs everywhere and no queuing either.
Back on topic.KCross wrote:The reality is that we are a small island with not alot of financial viabiity for operators to spend millions and make a decent profit over the next 5-10 years. Subsidy is required.
You're both wrong and right.
State initiated networks are quite common, but they are usually tendered out, not state owned, at least not directly. Some subsidies are also common but state-run network is not common at all. That's an Irish niche
The state should just tender the network out to multiple operators to ensure competition and then it doesn't really matter if the operators are private or semi-state as long as they run it right as per the tender.
Now, for KCross, Virta is a quite large charging network provider from Finland. It started by several Finnish energy utility companies coming together to form the company. Finland is much larger than Ireland, but almost the same population, also not that many EVs either. So if it was possible in Finland with lower population density, larger area then it must be possible in Ireland. I don't know if the Finnish state chipped in...
Virta network now have 400 chargers in Finland and its network spans Scandinavia, the Baltic states, Central and Eastern Europe.
https://www.virta.global/company
I was surprised to see a Finnish operator charger in the middle of the main arterial motorway in Czechia, at an actual charging hub, along with other chargers and Tesla superchargers all of that sheltered at a large petrol station. Again, I don't know if the installation involved state subsidy, but the chargers are there available as a service at a cost, and that's in a country with half the per capita EVs than Ireland and lower price level so one would say Ireland would have higher business potential and feasibility.0 -
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State initiated networks are quite common, but they are usually tendered out, not state owned, at least not directly. Some subsidies are also common but state-run network is not common at all. That's an Irish niche
You'll have to point out the state run network for me, I've not seen it whilst driving around. Is it hidden behind the eCars network, which has been designed, built and operated by ESB, that state owned enterprise just like Fortum in Norway is a state owned Finnish energy company.
I think if the state (NTA) had had more of say in the design of the network and left the build and operation to ESB we'd be in a much better situation.0 -
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Bad. FFS so that means the Chademo side will virtually always waste at least 33% available power allocated to it (Leafs), or the worst case waste 85% power (Outlander).liamog wrote:It's already been confirmed that it's a 75kW split. They'll need to be careful with the pricing, you wouldn't want to be paying extra and get the nerfed speed due to another car connecting.
So how does that charger handle 4 CCS/Chademo connectors???? The tech specs sheet mentions up to 4 connectors.
Does it leave 37.5 kW for each? That's hardly a high powered charger - that's a joke 0 -
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