Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

Plumbthedepths · 31-07-2020 02:35PM

Boggles wrote: »

You were the one banging on about what other countries in Europe did and how we should follow them, I pointed out to you a list of things they did do.

So now you are saying we shouldn't follow them.

That is some short turnaround in opinion to be fair.

No I'm saying we should adapt to suit our situation . Outside learning is pretty much a non runner in winter don't you think?

alwald · 31-07-2020 02:37PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I don't know what your problem is, you spend a weird amount of time following me from thread to thread. Whatever your issue is take it to a Mod.
I reported your PM at the time and you seem to have had the sense not to repeat it.
Btw like many other posters I picked up a ban it has since been removed.
Again for whatever reasons you have an issue, instead of derailing the thread with a personal grudge. Chat to a Mod. I'm not engaging further with you. It's strange behaviour from you.

To go back to the topic, what measures other EU countries made to reopen schools that Ireland are following?

Oranage2 · 31-07-2020 02:41PM

I'm absolutely petrified after yesterday's results, if it's happening now it's gonna be a lot worse in the next phase but people seem to be so blasé about it saying it's under control and other sound bites. Can see it being another high number again in the 40s and it will interesting to see the ' it's alright crowd' explain it.

ACitizenErased · 31-07-2020 02:42PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

I'm absolutely petrified after yesterday's results, if it's happening now it's gonna be a lot worse in the next phase but people seem to be so blasé about it saying it's under control and other sound bites. Can see it being another high number again in the 40s and it will interesting to see the ' it's alright crowd' explain it.

All the test results from the factory aren't back yet so we should be expecting something in the 40s. I'll be happy to explain that concept to you if it happens.

the corpo · 31-07-2020 02:42PM

Good article on airborne transmission in the Atlantic today
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/07/why-arent-we-talking-more-about-airborne-transmission/614737/?fbclid=IwAR3RDsT9iDl6feMhVhov48P9r-yvZ2l91jGOcbp89auuLBinRehAfPFt75g

Consider schools, perhaps the most fraught topic for millions. Classrooms are places of a lot of talking; children are not going to be perfect at social distancing; and the more people in a room, the more opportunities for aerosols to accumulate if the ventilation is poor. Most of these ventilation issues are addressable, sometimes by free or inexpensive methods, and sometimes by costly investments in infrastructure that should be a national priority.

Plumbthedepths · 31-07-2020 02:44PM

the corpo wrote: »

Good article on airborne transmission in the Atlantic today
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/07/why-arent-we-talking-more-about-airborne-transmission/614737/?fbclid=IwAR3RDsT9iDl6feMhVhov48P9r-yvZ2l91jGOcbp89auuLBinRehAfPFt75g

Open the windows, have a good flow of air.

leahyl · 31-07-2020 02:49PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Open the windows, have a good flow of air.

No windows in our office....what is one to do in that situation??

the corpo · 31-07-2020 02:49PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Open the windows, have a good flow of air.

Did you read the article? Not as simple as just opening windows. Why aren't we buying portable HEPA filters/putting fans at windows/avoiding crowded spaces etc?

Japan was expected to fail by many, as it implemented an unconventional response, bucking WHO guidelines, eschewing widespread testing, and forcing few formal lockdowns. However, Japan masked up early, focused on super-spreader events (a strategy it calls “cluster busting”), and, crucially, trained its public to focus on avoiding the three C’s—closed spaces, crowded places, and close conversations. In other words, exactly the places where airborne transmission and aerosols could pose a risk. The Japanese were advised not to talk on the subway, where windows were kept open. O****ani said they also developed guidelines that included the importance of ventilation in many different settings, such as bars, restaurants, and gyms. Six months later, despite having some of the earliest outbreaks, ultradense cities, and one of the oldest populations in the world, Japan has had about 1,000 COVID-19 deaths total—which is how many the United States often has in a single day. Hong Kong, a similarly dense and subway-dependent city, has had only 24 deaths.

Benimar · 31-07-2020 02:51PM

leahyl wrote: »

No windows in our office....what is one to do in that situation??

Oh come on man, stop finding problems! Get yourself a sledgehammer and sort it out

Only a slacker would accept that not having a window is a barrier to opening a window

...at least I think that’s how their ‘logic’ works!

Always_Running · 31-07-2020 02:53PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

I'm absolutely petrified after yesterday's results, if it's happening now it's gonna be a lot worse in the next phase but people seem to be so blasé about it saying it's under control and other sound bites. Can see it being another high number again in the 40s and it will interesting to see the ' it's alright crowd' explain it.

I'd only be "petrified" if clusters were allowed to go out of control and spread like wildfire in the community as like what happened in April resulting in over 5000 weekly cases.

wadacrack · 31-07-2020 02:54PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

As I said yesterday really quite impressive work from the HSE and the public health teams to get on top of the clusters stemming from the factory quite quickly.

Remains to be seen how good the contact tracing is for the current outbreak. Hopefully they have traced everyone quick enough but contact tracing has its limitations and difficult to implement on high number of cases. Hopefully it can get under control

Plumbthedepths · 31-07-2020 02:55PM

the corpo wrote: »

Did you read the article? Not as simple as just opening windows. Why aren't we buying portable HEPA filters/putting fans at windows/avoiding crowded spaces etc?

Having an airflow where possible is one measure and relatively inexpensive.

Benimar · 31-07-2020 02:59PM

29 positive tests today.

stephenjmcd · 31-07-2020 03:01PM

Plus 29 postives today if my numbers are right.

Still playing catch up from my week away last week.

With past experience of numbers like that I'd go for low 20s quite possibly or under.

Edit: I see Benimar got there just before me

caveat emptor · 31-07-2020 03:04PM

the corpo wrote: »

Did you read the article? Not as simple as just opening windows. Why aren't we buying portable HEPA filters/putting fans at windows/avoiding crowded spaces etc?

If you think about our restrictions to date they've effectively curtailed the super spreading potential (not totally......dog food factories etc) but the next phase opens that avenue. Which is by all accounts the most dangerous.

schools and pubs need to be looked at in this context.
Not good enough to ignore it or they'll be shut down just as quick as they opened.

The top scientists now believe the the aerosol super spreading outbreaks while less common compared to household spread are the most important.
They explode your R number and put you on the back foot massively to contain it.

manofwisdom · 31-07-2020 03:05PM

Out of interest was majority of posivites cases from recent days included in the last 3 days of 139 cases?

Ficheall · 31-07-2020 03:05PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

As I said yesterday really quite impressive work from the HSE and the public health teams to get on top of the clusters stemming from the factory quite quickly.

No doubt they've done a lot of great work, but we don't yet know how successfully they've gotten on top of it, tbf.

Benimar · 31-07-2020 03:05PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Plus 29 postives today if my numbers are right.

Still playing catch up from my week away last week.

With past experience of numbers like that I'd go for low 20s quite possibly or under.

Edit: I see Benimar got there just before me

I dont think it will be that low, unless they hold some back as part of a cluster like on Wednesday.

Wednesday/Thursday positives were 101 (46+55) and cases announced were 99 (14+85), so the overall difference between positive and announced seems to be quite small at the moment.

I wonder how long it takes the close contacts that test positive to be included? For someone in yesterdays figures, their contacts would be doing well to get their results today I'd imagine, so would be in tomorrows figures?

ACitizenErased · 31-07-2020 03:06PM

LATEST TESTING UPDATE

Tests conducted last 24 hours: 3856
Tests conducted last 7 days: 40652
Additional positive tests: 29
Positivity Rate last 7 days: 0.6%

Expect mid 20s

Benimar · 31-07-2020 03:06PM

manofwisdom wrote: »

Out of interest was majority of posivites cases from recent days included in the last 3 days of 139 cases?

Yes, 2 less cases announced between Wednesday/Thursday than positive tests - 99 v 101

stephenjmcd · 31-07-2020 03:10PM

Benimar wrote: »

I dont think it will be that low, unless they hold some back as part of a cluster like on Wednesday.

Wednesday/Thursday positives were 101 (46+55) and cases announced were 99 (14+85), so the overall difference between positive and announced seems to be quite small at the moment.

I wonder how long it takes the close contacts that test positive to be included? For someone in yesterdays figures, their contacts would be doing well to get their results today I'd imagine, so would be in tomorrows figures?

By the sounds of yesterday's press conference they got on top of the cluster before processing all the tests.

The factory for example has been closed a week. Close contacts are tested on day 0 & day 7.

I'd suspect many have already been tested at day 0 seeing as they said they've identified the direct provision centres and yesterday's numbers included close contacts of confirmed cases from the factory in these settings

owlbethere · 31-07-2020 03:18PM

85 cases yesterday was far too much of a jump. The cases surrounding factories and also construction sites, tells me that compliance around social distancing measures is failing. There's no reason in the world for these work places for not implementing safe working environments and social distancing measures. It's only a matter of time unfortunately until we see daily cases rising to 100+ a day.

Yesterday I showed a slight concern over schools going back but fcuk that. There's been far too much meeting up throughout the summer without and social distancing. The schools should be going back no matter what in September.

Benimar · 31-07-2020 03:19PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

By the sounds of yesterday's press conference they got on top of the cluster before processing all the tests.

The factory for example has been closed a week. Close contacts are tested on day 0 & day 7.

I'd suspect many have already been tested at day 0 seeing as they said they've identified the direct provision centres and yesterday's numbers included close contacts of confirmed cases.

I suppose what I'm trying to understand is what about the 32 (I think thats then number) cases who were flagged as being close contact yesterday...surely they now have a 'new' stream of close contacts that need to be tested?

stephenjmcd · 31-07-2020 03:24PM

Benimar wrote: »

I suppose what I'm trying to understand is what about the 32 (I think thats then number) cases who were flagged as being close contact yesterday...surely they now have a 'new' stream of close contacts that need to be tested?

Oh sorry thought you were referring to the factory workers close contacts.

Yup anyone then thats postive their close contacts are then day 0, its just the way it was spoken about yesterday that seemed to suggest the direct provision centres were all being tested already in this case, which you would expect given the conditions in them. Once 1 case comes in they all need a test it'll just run rampant.

But yes you've then got the day 7 tests to come later also

stephenjmcd · 31-07-2020 03:28PM

owlbethere wrote: »

85 cases yesterday was far too much of a jump. The cases surrounding factories and also construction sites, tells me that compliance around social distancing measures is failing. There's no reason in the world for these work places for not implementing safe working environments and social distancing measures. It's only a matter of time unfortunately until we see daily cases rising to 100+ a day.

Yesterday I showed a slight concern over schools going back but fcuk that. There's been far too much meeting up throughout the summer without and social distancing. The schools should be going back no matter what in September.

Just on construction sites was talking to someone in that trade today and he was saying the problem they're reporting on his site is with sub contractors. Doesn't seem to be any sort of regulation around it. On his site now anyway the sub contractors have been told they aren't to mix with anyone on site, they come in together, nobody else works around them and then they leave together.

The recent building site closures in Dublin for example were due to the sub contractors going to the sites and later testing postive.

wadacrack · 31-07-2020 03:46PM

owlbethere wrote: »

85 cases yesterday was far too much of a jump. The cases surrounding factories and also construction sites, tells me that compliance around social distancing measures is failing. There's no reason in the world for these work places for not implementing safe working environments and social distancing measures. It's only a matter of time unfortunately until we see daily cases rising to 100+ a day.

Yesterday I showed a slight concern over schools going back but fcuk that. There's been far too much meeting up throughout the summer without and social distancing. The schools should be going back no matter what in September.

I have been at a few football matches. Small crowds but no distancing at all. Teams going into dressing rooms too(not all the time). Its outdoor so that helps mitigate it but I have been surprised. Its as if it fair to just forget about the virus in these circumstances . Contact tracing not in place at some grounds too

ACitizenErased · 31-07-2020 03:48PM

wadacrack wrote: »

I have been at a few football matches. Small crowds but no distancing at all. Teams going into dressing rooms too(not all the time). Its outdoor so that helps mitigate it but I have been surprised. Its as if it fair to just forget about the virus in these circumstances . Contact tracing not in place at some grounds too

I've been at 15-20 matches (both GAA and soccer) and haven't seen a single dressing room in use and have had to sign in at each

stephenjmcd · 31-07-2020 03:49PM

Ryanair have initiated legal proceedings against the state.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/ryanair-sues-taoiseach-and-state-over-travel-restrictions-39413460.html

Boggles · 31-07-2020 03:50PM

Since they stopped mass testing and proactive testing the positive test rate has doubled to .6%.

Gives us a better understanding of the instances of the disease "in the community".

I know that comparing ourselves to America is akin to a GP comparing themselves to Harold Shipman, but I was listening to a couple of Mayors last night say that if they could get the positive test rate to 10% or below they'd be golden.

podgeandrodge · 31-07-2020 03:51PM

Greece to Reopen Six Cruise Ports on August 1

Greece will welcome back cruise traffic at six ports beginning Saturday, August 1.

According to Greek newspaper Kathimerini, Piraeus, Rhodes, Heraklion, Volos, Corfu and Katakolo will reopen to cruise ships complying with elevated health and safety protocols designed to limit the spread of coronavirus.

That means that all passengers will require a negative COVID-19 test result produced at least 72 hours prior to boarding.

"All cruise ships are welcome in Greece, so as to offer a unique experience to all their passengers," the country's Tourism Minister Haris Theocharis wrote in a letter to the Cruise Lines International Association (CLIA), MSC Cruises, Costa and TUI Cruises. "Greece is the first country to respond to the cruise sector, introducing health protocols especially for this form of tourism. The health procedures that will apply on cruise ships under the supervision of the Greek authorities are based on EU Healthy Gateways standards and adjusted to Greek legislation and the local conditions."

Once a cruise ship docks and passes inspection at one of the aforementioned locations, it will then have access to all of the other ports.

Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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