Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

caveat emptor · 30-07-2020 09:09PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Been reading a lot into the department of education's plan for re-opening schools and a lot of it is mumbo-jumbo. I believe they're going to open on time but I'm not sure if it's going to work.

wadacrack wrote: »

The current numbers are not sustainable. It will grow. You need essentially a Zero Covid approach.

I'm inclined to agree with both of you.
The airborne paper yesterday explains a lot of the super spreading / seeding outbreaks. Also explains why so many health care workers got it. 32% of total cases, still +44 week before last.

We never factored that in. It's proven now.

I think we are going to have to have a little flare up and a little lockdown to focus the minds on the unpalatable reality. Once we go for zero. Pubs and schools will be grand. Ryanair will threaten the gov that they'll leave. Gov will say grand. Who's going to take you. Maybe US. They seem to think it's not real.

I think the green is go list was part of that logic.

Renjit · 30-07-2020 09:10PM

Relax everybody. Go to sleep now.

caveat emptor · 30-07-2020 09:12PM

Random sample wrote: »

It seems to be based on a disease that lives on surfaces rather than an airborne infection.

And very much leaves the onus on individual schools to sort things out aswell, which is fine in a way, as all schools are different, but some principals will interpret things differently to others, which will lead to problems.

Bit in bold is now not true.
Innocent mistake. It only got peer reviewed proven yesterday.
Take care.

Feel free to follow link. Viable virus was found in the hall many many meters away and on every single surface independent of severity of infection.
Some weren't even coughing.

They were in biohazard rooms with constant airflow changes etc and it was found on everything.
It was also in the air.
It was then used to infect cells and replication observed.

https://twitter.com/AliNouriPhD/status/1288838290309881857?s=20

ACitizenErased · 30-07-2020 09:14PM

Random sample wrote: »

It seems to be based on a disease that lives on surfaces rather than an airborne infection.

And very much leaves the onus on individual schools to sort things out aswell, which is fine in a way, as all schools are different, but some principals will interpret things differently to others, which will lead to problems.

I'm not sure why they're not recommending masks for teachers

I expect a large teaching exodus. They speak about the 2000 teachers who currently aren't teaching who'll be drafted in - there's not a hope in hell they'll want in.

10000maniacs · 30-07-2020 09:17PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

I hope the employees of these meat factories that are consistently the epicenter of outbreaks take big legal cases against their employers and get well compensated for the obvious lack of controls their employers have implemented. Lots of workplaces continued through the lockdown and only meat factories have consistently allowed outbreaks to occur.

If it wasn’t for meat factories we could all be heading out for few pints tonight.

I present you with a Darwin award. Here's another recipient.
People are fed up of wearing masks. Masks at this rally in Tulsa won't be mandatory. --Herman Cain
RIP today of Covid19.

igCorcaigh · 30-07-2020 09:17PM

UK: House visits banned in parts of Northern England. (sky news)

Rob A. Bank · 30-07-2020 09:19PM

A study of the recent European excess mortality from January to June was published today by the Office for National Statistics in the UK .

It is well known that the excess mortality during the pandemic affects older individuals more than the younger ones, but even that iron rule seems to depend on where you live.

The chart below shows overall excess death rates in various cities until the end of May. Madrid had the overall largest number of excess deaths.

The dotted line represents the 5-year average with the light being over 65s and the dark blue under 65s.

London had an equal number of excess deaths in the under 65s and the over 65s during the pandemic so far.

And I don’t know what the hell was happening in Cardiff.

So much for the notion that younger people have not been affected and are not dying !

US2 · 30-07-2020 09:20PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Bit in bold is now not true.
Innocent mistake. It only got peer reviewed proven yesterday.
Take care.

Feel free to follow link. Viable virus was found in the hall many many meters away and on every single surface independent of severity of infection.
Some weren't even coughing.

They were in biohazard rooms with constant airflow changes etc and it was found on everything.
It was also in the air.
It was then used to infect cells and replication observed.

https://twitter.com/AliNouriPhD/status/1288838290309881857?s=20

Why do they have to take a swab so far up your nose it tickles your brain to get some covid, if that is true could they not rub it off your tongue?

Boggles · 30-07-2020 09:20PM

Random sample wrote: »

It seems to be based on a disease that lives on surfaces rather than an airborne infection.

March rang there, it wants it's "science" back.

Arghus · 30-07-2020 09:20PM

10000maniacs wrote: »

I present you with a Darwin award. Here's another recipient.
People are fed up of wearing masks. Masks at this rally in Tulsa won't be mandatory. --Herman Cain
RIP today of Covid19.

You couldn't make it up.

road_high · 30-07-2020 09:22PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

George Lee on RTE1 News now, he's a proper bloody doom merchant.

I’ve not watched rte in weeks. And all the happier for it

Ficheall · 30-07-2020 09:22PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Nope said they didn't have that information but as of yestersday it was reported it had identified over 100 close contacts of confirmed cases

Fair enough. That doesn't seem very high.

caveat emptor · 30-07-2020 09:22PM

US2 wrote: »

Why do they have to take a swab so far up your nose it tickles your brain to get some covid, if that is true could they not rub it off your tongue?

Not sure. Couple of reasons spring to mind

higher concentration there so likely to show up on test.
lower nose might contain virus but never get to cells where infection occurs.
think about your nostril bristles and snots? They are effective part of immune system.

ACitizenErased · 30-07-2020 09:22PM

US2 wrote: »

Why do they have to take a swab so far up your nose it tickles your brain to get some covid, if that is true could they not rub it off your tongue?

Apparently saliva tests are just as accurate. I believe the US uses saliva tests mostly.

landofthetree · 30-07-2020 09:23PM

The problem with meat factories is it's an enclosed space at the perfect temperature for a virus to spread.

GazzaL · 30-07-2020 09:24PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Apparently saliva tests are just as accurate. I believe the US uses saliva tests mostly.

In Ireland there seems to be a grá for shoving things up orifices to perform medical tests while there are less invasive tests used in the rest of the world.

mandrake04 · 30-07-2020 09:24PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

Calm down now Paddy its not the black death bubonic plague.

I know you are trying be funny but your ignorance makes you look stupid, bubonic plague is a bacterial pathogen easily treated by antibiotics there’s a few thousand cases per year and maybe 100 deaths. You are more likely to die from an infected ingrown toe nail than Bubonic plague these days.

gmisk · 30-07-2020 09:24PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Apparently saliva tests are just as accurate. I believe the US uses saliva tests mostly.

Apparently they are not.

https://theconversation.com/explainer-whats-the-new-coronavirus-saliva-test-and-how-does-it-work-141877

Do you have a link that says the saliva tests are "just as accurate" as you put it?

timmy_mallet · 30-07-2020 09:24PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Bit in bold is now not true.
Innocent mistake. It only got peer reviewed proven yesterday.
Take care.

Feel free to follow link. Viable virus was found in the hall many many meters away and on every single surface independent of severity of infection.
Some weren't even coughing.

They were in biohazard rooms with constant airflow changes etc and it was found on everything.
It was also in the air.
It was then used to infect cells and replication observed.

https://twitter.com/AliNouriPhD/status/1288838290309881857?s=20

Have they proven that those micro-doplets infected anyone?

*Legs it*

What Username Guidelines · 30-07-2020 09:26PM

Renjit wrote: »

Relax everybody. Go to sleep now.

Please Da, just ten more minutes.

Plumbthedepths · 30-07-2020 09:27PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

A study of the recent European excess mortality from January to June was published today by the Office for National Statistics in the UK .

It is well known that the excess mortality during the pandemic affects older individuals more than the younger ones, but even that iron rule seems to depend on where you live.

The chart below shows overall excess death rates in various cities until the end of May. Madrid had the overall largest number of excess deaths.

The dotted line represents the 5-year average with the light being over 65s and the dark blue under 65s.

London had an equal number of excess deaths in the under 65s and the over 65s during the pandemic so far.

And I don’t know what the hell was happening in Cardiff.

So much for the notion that younger people have not been affected and are not dying !

I don't think anyone has said it doesn't affect younger people or that they don't die, it just doesn't affect the younger age groups as severely as it does those over 65.

Rob A. Bank · 30-07-2020 09:29PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I don't think anyone has said it doesn't affect younger people or that they don't die, it just doesn't affect the you get age groups as severely as it does those over 65.

So how do you explain what has happened in London and Cardiff ?

fr336 · 30-07-2020 09:30PM

UK goverment just announcing local lockdown in all of greater manchester and parts of yorkshire. England heading in bad direction i feel

stephenjmcd · 30-07-2020 09:32PM

fr336 wrote: »

UK goverment just announcing local lockdown in all of greater manchester and parts of yorkshire. England heading in bad direction i feel

Its households not allowed to meet in each others houses. Wouldn't exactly call it a lockdown now.

Random sample · 30-07-2020 09:35PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I'm not sure why they're not recommending masks for teachers I expect a large teaching exodus. They speak about the 2000 teachers who currently aren't teaching who'll be drafted in - there's not a hope in hell they'll want in.

I’d imagine a lot of those 2000 keep their registration either because it’s easier to keep it than to get it back or they are retired teachers who keep on registration for state exams work.

caveat emptor · 30-07-2020 09:35PM

Remember this place?
Good article on super spreading and why airborne is a serious
route of transmission.

https://twitter.com/jljcolorado/status/1284706286718775296?s=20

maebee · 30-07-2020 09:36PM

road_high wrote: »

These people never cease to amaze me.."worried" by crowds etc but yet they're there in the thick of it reporting back how awful and traumatic it all is :rolleyes:
Like as if they should have priority access and spacing....

Not always in the thick of it. My 2 lads were fishing in a totally isolated spot in Dunlickey last weekend. They were overlooking thousands on the beach in Killkee but were nowhere near them.

fr336 · 30-07-2020 09:37PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Its households not allowed to meet in each others houses. Wouldn't exactly call it a lockdown now.

True, but thats what the governement are characterising it as. Advice to stay at home as much as possible. Im surprised wasnt aware manchester was a risky area

Santy2015 · 30-07-2020 09:38PM

Prime time outing pubs!!!!

lawrencesummers · 30-07-2020 09:38PM

10000maniacs wrote: »

I present you with a Darwin award. Here's another recipient.
People are fed up of wearing masks. Masks at this rally in Tulsa won't be mandatory. --Herman Cain
RIP today of Covid19.

Thanks, been ages since I won something.

Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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