Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 26-05-2020 11:16PM

Pauliedragon wrote: »

How do you know that? Prisons are full of people who rape children for fun.

It’s oberstown, a crime so vicious and sadistic would have a trial similar to the boy that was attacked.

Rows Grower · 27-05-2020 08:05AM

A bit more detail about the assault, and the type of stuff found on his phone after he was arrested...

https://www.herald.ie/news/anas-murderer-boy-a-is-kicked-and-punched-during-planned-attack-39236880.html

weldoninhio · 27-05-2020 08:16AM

Pauliedragon wrote: »

How do you know that? Prisons are full of people who rape children for fun.

Oberstown is not a prison. It's a holiday camp for scrotes. No prison guards etc. Hug a thug central. Ice cream van goes out to them every Thursday.

https://www.thejournal.ie/oberstown-ice-cream-4155500-Aug2018/

briany · 27-05-2020 09:41AM

The Irish Sun's source alleges that,

“The lad is a bit of loner and has been trying to throw his weight around a bit in there and it has come back to haunt him."

Trying to throw his weight around? If that's true, then it further cements the idea that the only thing he's sorry about was getting caught in the first place. You'd imagine most kids who come out of a comfortable suburban background and wind up in Oberstown would want to serve out their time as quietly as possible. Not this one, apparently.

Sweet.Science · 27-05-2020 11:51AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Oberstown is not a prison. It's a holiday camp for scrotes. No prison guards etc. Hug a thug central. Ice cream van goes out to them every Thursday.

https://www.thejournal.ie/oberstown-ice-cream-4155500-Aug2018/

Yep the loony left took over at management level and the place is a kip now .

Pauliedragon · 27-05-2020 12:10PM

Camila Hallowed Apple wrote: »

It’s oberstown, a crime so vicious and sadistic would have a trial similar to the boy that was attacked.

If the guards battered that fella I'd give them a payrise and a party. I just think there's a bigger picture here. If we give a pat on the back to the inmates who hammered him they'll be walking out the door of Oberstown soon enough with the attitude I can batter people if I want to. That's my only concern. It's been proven time and time again that letting violent people away just makes them more violent. Would you want those lads wandering down your street when they get out knowing they are allowed to celebrate violence?

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 27-05-2020 12:18PM

Pauliedragon wrote: »

If the guards battered that fella I'd give them a payrise and a party. I just think there's a bigger picture here. If we give a pat on the back to the inmates who hammered him they'll be walking out the door of Oberstown soon enough with the attitude I can batter people if I want to. That's my only concern. It's been proven time and time again that letting violent people away just makes them more violent. Would you want those lads wandering down your street when they get out knowing they are allowed to celebrate violence?

I for one wasn’t sitting at home last night worrying about him getting beaten.
In fact if in 15 years time I saw the same lads beating him outside my house, I wouldn’t even call for help. He deserves to know what it feels like to be scared, because god knows what he made that young girl feel in her last moments.
If he wants to rape and murder, he’s going to be put into prison with other fine upstanding peers, and I for one am not sorry he’s now matched with bigger and scarier and stronger than he was matched with when he chose Ana to brutally assault and murder.

Pauliedragon · 27-05-2020 01:36PM

Camila Hallowed Apple wrote: »

I for one wasn’t sitting at home last night worrying about him getting beaten.
In fact if in 15 years time I saw the same lads beating him outside my house, I wouldn’t even call for help. He deserves to know what it feels like to be scared, because god knows what he made that young girl feel in her last moments.
If he wants to rape and murder, he’s going to be put into prison with other fine upstanding peers, and I for one am not sorry he’s now matched with bigger and scarier and stronger than he was matched with when he chose Ana to brutally assault and murder.

How do you know the lads that beat him aren't rapists themselves?

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 27-05-2020 02:23PM

Pauliedragon wrote: »

How do you know the lads that beat him aren't rapists themselves?

A child carrying out such heinous acts would whip up a serious media interest, and we’d know about it as we know about boy A and boy B

salmocab · 27-05-2020 02:54PM

Camila Hallowed Apple wrote: »

A child carrying out such heinous acts would whip up a serious media interest, and we’d know about it as we know about boy A and boy B

If they were caught

Ash.J.Williams · 27-05-2020 03:00PM

Camila Hallowed Apple wrote: »

A child carrying out such heinous acts would whip up a serious media interest, and we’d know about it as we know about boy A and boy B

that' s naive

Sawduck · 27-05-2020 03:11PM

Rows Grower wrote: »

A bit more detail about the assault, and the type of stuff found on his phone after he was arrested...

https://www.herald.ie/news/anas-murderer-boy-a-is-kicked-and-punched-during-planned-attack-39236880.html

He is one seriously messed up kid, hopefully he never gets out, he would be a serious danger to young girls

Yeah_Right · 27-05-2020 03:31PM

salmocab wrote: »

If they were caught

If they weren't caught then why would they be in Oberstown??

salmocab · 27-05-2020 03:38PM

Yeah_Right wrote: »

If they weren't caught then why would they be in Oberstown??

Do you think everyone in prison is in for all the crimes they committed or the ones they got caught for.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 27-05-2020 03:46PM

Pauliedragon wrote: »

And the person who beat him is such an upstanding part of our society. Lets give him a medal. Oh wait he's a violent criminal too.

Wonder if people would still be prasining him if it turned out to be Boy B?

walshb · 27-05-2020 09:19PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Wonder if people would still be prasining him if it turned out to be Boy B?

Probably. Considering boy B was also convicted of Ana’s murder.

Boy B brought her to her death!!!

Esse85 · 27-05-2020 11:09PM

Sawduck wrote: »

He is one seriously messed up kid, hopefully he never gets out, he would be a serious danger to young girls

And animals.

Esse85 · 27-05-2020 11:09PM

Sawduck wrote: »

He is one seriously messed up kid, hopefully he never gets out, he would be a serious danger to young girls

Double post.

Vicarious Function · 28-05-2020 10:49AM

There are several other murderers in Oberstown who are aged 17 plus who would be older and presumably larger and stronger than boy A who is now 14. So! - well capable of giving him a beating up.

shaveAbullock · 28-05-2020 04:38PM

If this continues he will be in protective custody. I take it that would be far more difficult for him, wouldn't it?

Rows Grower · 28-07-2020 09:27AM

Boy B has applied to exceed legal aid limits to help his appeal.

https://www.herald.ie/news/courts/boy-b-makes-unusual-bid-to-get-expert-report-for-ana-murder-appeal-39403032.html

JustAThought · 28-07-2020 09:39AM

Rows Grower wrote: »

Boy B has applied to exceed legal aid limits to help his appeal.

https://www.herald.ie/news/courts/boy-b-makes-unusual-bid-to-get-expert-report-for-ana-murder-appeal-39403032.html

I didn’t know they had limits. How much are they??
As regards his father if he is such an upstanding member of society no doubt he can mortgage his house or sell his car to facilitate his murdering criminal childs needs.

Judge here has said No and to work within the budget - lets see how that plays out. I’m revolted by this whole case - people in Lucan/Leixlip may know who these predators are and be able to protect their daughters and children in 5 or 6 years when these vile monsters are let out but what about the reat of us.

So much for protection of law abiding citizens and their children.

splinter65 · 28-07-2020 05:26PM

JustAThought wrote: »

I didn’t know they had limits. How much are they??
As regards his father if he is such an upstanding member of society no doubt he can mortgage his house or sell his car to facilitate his murdering criminal childs needs.

Judge here has said No and to work within the budget - lets see how that plays out. I’m revolted by this whole case - people in Lucan/Leixlip may know who these predators are and be able to protect their daughters and children in 5 or 6 years when these vile monsters are let out but what about the reat of us.

So much for protection of law abiding citizens and their children.

I wouldn’t imagine even mortgaging the house and selling the car would go anywhere even close to touching his legal fees, so that will be pointless.
His defence probably want to bring specialist in something from some far flung place at huge expense and it won’t be covered by the standard allowance for an appeal.
I would actually prefer if he did allow it because if this appeal fails then they will complain that it was because they were financially restricted in what they could do.
Everyone should remember that in order for our precious legal system to work properly and justice to be seen to be done, that Boy Bs defence team should put forward their best case for it to be examined.

salmocab · 28-07-2020 05:39PM

Would a bank give someone a remortgage to pay legal bills for your son? Certainly not if he’s not earning enough to make repayments for the life of the mortgage. I get that some have made the father scumbag number one but nobody really knows anything about his circumstances and ability to pay legal fees.

JustAThought · 28-07-2020 06:45PM

splinter65 wrote: »

I wouldn’t imagine even mortgaging the house and selling the car would go anywhere even close to touching his legal fees, so that will be pointless.
His defence probably want to bring specialist in something from some far flung place at huge expense and it won’t be covered by the standard allowance for an appeal.
I would actually prefer if he did allow it because if this appeal fails then they will complain that it was because they were financially restricted in what they could do.
Everyone should remember that in order for our precious legal system to work properly and justice to be seen to be done, that Boy Bs defence team should put forward their best case for it to be examined.

This promotion for unlimited spending of taxpayer money was probably brought to you by your local support criminal scumbag industry. It is exactly what is wrong with this country - overindulgence and absolute excess and waste of hrdworking peoples money in the name of supporting convicted criminal scum and their families in the name of ‘justice’. Where is the justice for the victims or protection for the innocent.

Nowhere.

ohnonotgmail · 28-07-2020 07:53PM

for anyone interested here are the fees paid by legal aid. the fees for expert witnesses are in Appendix 4 on page 30
http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/PROCEDURES%20GOVERNING%20THE%20PAYMENT%20OF%20CRIMINAL%20LEGAL%20AID%20FEES.pdf/Files/PROCEDURES%20GOVERNING%20THE%20PAYMENT%20OF%20CRIMINAL%20LEGAL%20AID%20FEES.pdf

Caquas · 28-07-2020 11:34PM

There is an important legal issue here. The defence wanted the psychologist to give evidence to the effect that the lies Boy B told the Gardai were not evidence of his guilt because he was suffering from PTSD having witnessed the attack on Ana.

Common sense would say this is tantamount to exonerating the criminal because his crime had traumatised him but that is not the legal issue. Instead the focus will be on the nature of expert evidence. Witnesses are only allowed to state their opinions on issues on which they are experts but even experts are not allowed to make judgements about the issue which the court must decide. So a psychologist could say that, in his opinion, Boy B was suffering from PTSD but not that the jury should disregard his false statements to Gardai (that would be tantamount to saying he must be acquitted).

No way is his father going to foot the psychologist’s bill. If the court decides the bill is not excessive, we will all pay.

JustAThought · 07-08-2020 06:26PM

We have already paid - in fear, in lost innocence, in watching the horror of this families trauma unfold, in years of taxbills for the vermin murdering teenagers medical bills, food and care,social welfare costs and incarceration.

God help the Kriegel family -not only have the had the horror of their beloved daughters murder but now this onslaught of endless sympathy and financial support for these convicted child killers and their rights - it should be stopped. Just like the sympathy for the alzheimers patient rapist.

Galwayguy35 · 07-08-2020 07:10PM

What happens these two when they eventually get out?

Will they be monitored for the rest of their lives or given new identities and be let move around freely?

political analyst · 07-08-2020 07:16PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

What happens these two when they eventually get out?

Will they be monitored for the rest of their lives or given new identities and be let move around freely?

Boy A will be not just on parole but also on the register because he was also convicted of sexually assaulting the victim.

Boy B is guilty of murder on the principle of joint enterprise. Given that he had no sexual contact with the victim, the risk of recidivism in his case is negligible.

Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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