Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

schmoo2k · 28-07-2020 11:34AM

dalyboy wrote: »

I’m confused too. “Available for work” is somehow impossible if one holidays abroad for a few days. Although if you are on the opposite side of Ireland on a holiday its deemed ok , Like a Twilight Zone episode

Yea, classic gaff...

Boggles · 28-07-2020 11:34AM

dalyboy wrote: »

I’m confused too. “Available for work” is somehow impossible if one holidays abroad for a few days. Although if you are on the opposite side of Ireland on a holiday its deemed ok , Like a Twilight Zone episode

Even more bizarre when the people are "Available for Work" but it is the government that has closed down their place of work.

You couldn't make it up.

caveat emptor · 28-07-2020 11:36AM

Holiday ends in disaster.

The Turkish couple, a 50-year-old taxi driver and his 45-year-old wife, arrived home on a Ryanair flight on 16 July.
They were not diagnosed until six days after their return.
The whole family is now infected, including the couple’s four children, aged nine to 21, and their grandmother.

Ryanair not engaging with public health authorities either. Lovely company it is. That way it can still say no risk on our planes.

She said that the health office had made repeated attempts to contact Ryanair so that the airline could contact other passengers who were on the plane, but that it has “so far had no feedback”.

https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1288059158168731648?s=20

Deeper Blue · 28-07-2020 11:49AM

Many of the people on the PUP are qualified in and work in industries which are shut down. This is obvious to anyone with half a brain.

So why is the leader of the country saying they should try to find work?

It has to be one of the stupidest things an Irish leader has ever come out with.

Flowergirl201 · 28-07-2020 11:52AM

El Sueño wrote: »

Many of the people on the PUP are qualified in and work in industries which are shut down. This is obvious to anyone with half a brain.

So why is the leader of the country saying they should try to find work?

It has to be one of the stupidest things an Irish leader has ever come out with.

Well theres going to be loads of new teachers needed, sure they can just do that instead emmmm

US2 · 28-07-2020 11:58AM

Almost 30c at 11am. Pints with breakfast. Enjoy the fear lads. Im outta here for a while

CalamariFritti · 28-07-2020 12:06PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Even if it didn't kill a single person it would still be a pandemic. Pandemics are not defined by the number of deaths.

They used to be. That was redefined in 2009 or so by the WHO. There is a line of thought that COVID wouldnt even be classed a pandemic under the old definition.

Boggles · 28-07-2020 12:07PM

US2 wrote: »

Almost 30c at 11am. Pints with breakfast. Enjoy the fear lads. Im outta here for a while

As his mother shouts up the stairs at him to get off the internet and go out and walk the dog.

:pac:

accensi0n · 28-07-2020 12:09PM

US2 wrote: »

Almost 30c at 11am. Pints with breakfast.

That's my idea of hell.

schmoo2k · 28-07-2020 12:10PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Holiday ends in disaster.

Ryanair not engaging with public health authorities either. Lovely company it is. That way it can still say no risk on our planes.

https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1288059158168731648?s=20

Bit of a stretch blaming any specific airline I would have thought?

Hrududu · 28-07-2020 12:15PM

Boggles wrote: »

As his mother shouts up the stairs at him to get off the internet and go out and walk the dog.

:pac:

“**** someone’s caught me posting when I said I was going on me hols....eh well lads having the pints in the sun here...in Spain...where I am right now...shut up mammy I’ll bring the dog out later.”

schmoo2k · 28-07-2020 12:17PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

They used to be. That was redefined in 2009 or so by the WHO. There is a line of thought that COVID wouldnt even be classed a pandemic under the old definition.

No there isn't.

pjohnson · 28-07-2020 12:18PM

Hrududu wrote: »

“**** someone’s caught me posting when I said I was going on me hols....eh well lads having the pints in the sun here...in Spain...where I am right now...shut up mammy I’ll bring the dog out later.”

We go live to the scene

Neamhshuntasach · 28-07-2020 12:19PM

schmoo2k wrote: »

Bit of a stretch blaming any specific airline I would have thought?

Don't know the story here or if there even is one. But I'd at least expect an airline to contact people who were on one of their flights with a person that tested positive for it when they were made aware. Or pass it on to the relevant authorities. They'd be the ones that have the passenger manifest. It should be in their interest anyways as any rise in cases that can be attributed to travel is going to have further impact on their industry.

CalamariFritti · 28-07-2020 12:22PM

schmoo2k wrote: »

No there isn't.

Because you say so?

caveat emptor · 28-07-2020 12:24PM

schmoo2k wrote: »

Bit of a stretch blaming any specific airline I would have thought?

If you read the article. They flew home with Ryanair.
They are not blaming Ryanair for the person contracting the virus
but they are saying the've made repeated attempts to contact them to contact trace people who were potentially exposed on the flight.

They are fvcking disgrace at this stage.
Why doesn't the gov or eu force them to engage in the interest of public health?
They clearly have an incentive to suppress this info.

Article references fact Ryanair are not engaging with Public Health Authorities to aid contact tracing. Wonder why? I'd say its so they can keep saying that our planes are safe even if there is no evidence to suggest that.

Robbing, lying and now dangerous d!ckheads at this stage.
Get a cheap flight. If it's cancelled you won't get a refund.
Even if does go and someone on the flight had corona virus you'll never know! But download the corona app.

Gudrun Widders, an official at the local health office in the Berlin-Spandau district, told the Bild newspaper that no one in the family has required hospital treatment.

She said that the health office had made repeated attempts to contact Ryanair so that the airline could contact other passengers who were on the plane,
but that it has “so far had no feedback”.

It is not known if Ryanair has reacted to the information and informed other passengers who were on the same flight as the couple.

GooglePlus · 28-07-2020 12:27PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

They used to be. That was redefined in 2009 or so by the WHO. There is a line of thought that COVID wouldnt even be classed a pandemic under the old definition.

Well they were right to change the definition. The pan before demic is the clue to what it should mean.

bodhrandude · 28-07-2020 12:32PM

Before the pandemic you were not allowed to be in another county in Ireland when you were signing on and available for work, you had to stay in your designated county, I can't imagine many heeded that at the time. But since the pandemic and pup it now seems to apply if you are going abroad when you should be in the country, the rules don't seem to be that much different but it seems like a new low what they are doing in the airports there. The only way you can get away with it is if you tell them you are taking a two week holiday but it would have to be a personal reason, family illness, a funeral or a wedding of a sibling or relative.

schmoo2k · 28-07-2020 12:37PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Because you say so?

There is a line of thought that COVID wouldnt even be classed a pandemic under the old definition

So sorry you are correct, there could be that line of thought, but it doesn't belong in this thread - for ref:

1. Covid isn't a flu
2. The redefinition you refer to was for "pandemic influenzas"
3. The WHO never intended for the original "description" to be a "definition".
4. I checked the official "old definition" in an old "Dictionary" and guess what? Covid 19 fits exactly.

Off to the flat world forum with your post...

fr336 · 28-07-2020 12:49PM

Onesea wrote: »

Same thing that happened with the flu outbreak a few years back. Lots of very old people died. Crap health service didn't help.

25k died from flu alone one winter not so long ago.

Yawn. Italy does not have a crap healrh service. They were over run by Covid cases and doctors were having to decide to let people die who would have otherwise lived because they didnt have room to treat them. Then people try and play Covid down and moan about governments being too "draconion" in restrictions. Its all very sad and tiresome, but at least i know which way a lot of peoples bread is buttered now.

CalamariFritti · 28-07-2020 12:52PM

schmoo2k wrote: »

So sorry you are correct, there could be that line of thought, but it doesn't belong in this thread - for ref:

1. Covid isn't a flu
2. The redefinition you refer to was for "pandemic influenzas"
3. The WHO never intended for the original "description" to be a "definition".
4. I checked the official "old definition" in an old "Dictionary" and guess what? Covid 19 fits exactly.

Off to the flat world forum with your post...

You seem a nice fella. I’m glad you actually bothered checking ... after you blurted out ‘something’.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3127275/

What sparked the controversy
Since 2003, the top of the WHO Pandemic Preparedness homepage has contained the following statement: “An influenza pandemic occurs when a new influenza virus appears against which the human population has no immunity, resulting in several simultaneous epidemics worldwide with enormous numbers of deaths and illness.”6 However, on 4 May 2009, scarcely one month before the H1N1 pandemic was declared, the web page was altered in response to a query from a CNN reporter.7 The phrase “enormous numbers of deaths and illness” had been removed and the revised web page simply read as follows: “An influenza pandemic may occur when a new influenza virus appears against which the human population has no immunity.” Months later, the Council of Europe would cite this alteration as evidence that WHO changed its definition of pandemic influenza to enable it to declare a pandemic without having to demonstrate the intensity of the disease caused by the H1N1 virus.3

And yes while they talk about influenza it is simply because that was the most threatening looking pandemic up to this point. Their definition / classification / description whatever you wanna call it specifically calls out new diseases also.

An Ciarraioch · 28-07-2020 12:54PM

Latest air and sea travel stats released for June:

GB 32,300
Netherlands 4,400
Germany 3,900
US 3,700
France 3,000

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/ast/airandseatravelstatisticsjune2020/

Renjit · 28-07-2020 12:56PM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Not to dismiss this guy either, I mean it's his field and he is an expert .... but he is wearing a mask in his twitter photo - that should tell you where he leans on this.

I live in Spain and am happy to wear a mask on metro and when in shops, but displaying one in a SM photo ... it's a bit preachy to be honest.

Watch out, next moment he may start a new religion

Onesea · 28-07-2020 01:01PM

"dozens of Florida labs reporting only Covid19 positive results"

Plenty of these headlines popping up. More number inflation.

Onesea · 28-07-2020 01:05PM

fr336 wrote: »

Yawn. Italy does not have a crap healrh service. They were over run by Covid cases and doctors were having to decide to let people die who would have otherwise lived because they didnt have room to treat them. Then people try and play Covid down and moan about governments being too "draconion" in restrictions. Its all very sad and tiresome, but at least i know which way a lot of peoples bread is buttered now.

Italys hospitals for the best part are **** holes.Their economy has been loosing money for I do not know how long. Actually go find me an article praising their health care in hospitals would ya.

Lets not ventilate an old dying person as it will take up time and space plus cause uneedy discomfort.

We won't see a second wave. By way of God most people will be imune or fit enough to fight it off.

fr336 · 28-07-2020 01:05PM

Onesea wrote: »

"dozens of Florida labs reporting only Covid19 positive results"

Plenty of these headlines popping up. More number inflation.

Even accounting for inflation, the US is still screwed.

fr336 · 28-07-2020 01:08PM

Onesea wrote: »

Lets not ventilate an old dying person as it will take up time and space plus cause uneedy discomfort.

We won't see a second wave. By way of God most people will be imune or fit enough to fight it off.

I really hope you don't actually mean what you post. The first part is cold, the second stupid.

Boris Johnson, some might say not the sharpest knife in the draw during this crisis, says he is seeing signs of a second wave in Europe. If even he is concerned, there may be a problem.

caveat emptor · 28-07-2020 01:11PM

So nice that if you lose your teddy bear. Ryanair will contact everyone to see if anyone found it.

https://twitter.com/Ryanair/status/1288059434955145216?s=20

Share a plane with someone who subsequently tested positive for corona however. You will not be contacted. They won't even respond to public health official.

https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1288059158168731648?s=20

fr336 · 28-07-2020 01:17PM

I honestly feel that if you'd said to me a year ago that a lot of people in society would have moaned endlessly about lockdowns, face coverings and anything else to protect them from a once in a lifetime pandemic that is now potentially causing serious after effects for "mild" cases, I wouldn't have believed you. I thought most people were scared of things such as war and pandemics, that if any of these things happened after we had decades of peace and stability then naturally people would be more concerned with theirs and others's welfare for the long term rather than a couple of months in 2020. I was very wrong!

YellowBucket · 28-07-2020 01:18PM

fr336 wrote: »

Yawn. Italy does not have a crap healrh service. They were over run by Covid cases and doctors were having to decide to let people die who would have otherwise lived because they didnt have room to treat them. Then people try and play Covid down and moan about governments being too "draconion" in restrictions. Its all very sad and tiresome, but at least i know which way a lot of peoples bread is buttered now.

Italy's healthcare system is highly regionalised and actually the area that was hit hardest was probably the best part of it as it's very well funded.

Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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