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  • #6452
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    No: other
    dwayneshintzy wrote: »
    You're assigning class status to posters and then claiming it as your "proof", which is patently ridiculous. Have you an actual link to back up what you're saying here?


    Mask usage in many East Asian countries is over 95%, and I can assure you that the working class people make up more than 5% of the population in these countries. Is there also the divide between upper/middle and working class people here? If not, how come?
    East Asian countries tend to be very compliant anyway so not much of a comparison. In addition, mask wearing for pollution problems, is common enough.


  • #6453
    Hannibal36
    Closed Accounts Posts: 127 ✭✭Hannibal36


    dwayneshintzy wrote: »
    You're assigning class status to posters and then claiming it as your "proof", which is patently ridiculous. Have you an actual link to back up what you're saying here?


    Mask usage in many East Asian countries is over 95%, and I can assure you that the working class people make up more than 5% of the population in these countries. Is there also the divide between upper/middle and working class people here? If not, how come?

    Asia has long been subjugated, and in reality most large Asian cities would be full of masks long before this virus ever came about,they didn't need a big shove to get in on the mask lark.

    But if population compliance,subjugation and poverty similar to what East Asian countries endure then need not worry we are right on track to be just like them.


  • #6454
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,047 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Those two posts just cracked me up.


  • #6455
    circadian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,526 ✭✭✭circadian


    Yes: other
    What in the name of **** are you on about?


  • #6456
    dwayneshintzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭dwayneshintzy


    Yes: to protect myself and others
    Hannibal36 wrote: »
    Asia has long been subjugated, and in reality most large Asian cities would be full of masks long before this virus ever came about,they didn't need a big shove to get in on the mask lark.

    But if population compliance,subjugation and poverty similar to what East Asian countries endure then need not worry we are right on track to be just like them.
    You said masks were an indicator of class. Why aren't they an indicator in those countries? So what if they used them anyway, that wasn't what you've been chatting about.


    Also, what would you know about poverty levels in South Korea, Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan, etc? Or the subjugation and compliance of the people in those countries?


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  • #6457
    Hannibal36
    Closed Accounts Posts: 127 ✭✭Hannibal36


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    We don't know if your poor healthy man is carrying the disease.
    We don't know what people exposed to passive smoking will develop cancer as they age.
    A state is entitled to ban smoking in public where there is a risk to the health of others.
    Similarly a state is entitled to bring in rules on masks during a pandemic.

    This has nothing to do with classes and rich v poor.
    It's not just poor healthy young men and women being asked to wear masks, it's the middling and rich too.

    It's called the generational contract.
    Some day that poor healthy man will be an unhealthy old man.
    He may be richer then, he may be poorer.
    When that time comes, should the future generation of healthy young people ignore and abandon your poor healthy man?
    They don't know him or care about him.

    It's not the poor man's taxes paying for the police, the roads, the hospitals, the schools, social security.
    Should the taxes from rich old people only get spent on nursing homes, pensions and geriatric care in hospitals?

    If you want a state where there is no social contract, no generational contract and each just looks after their own, well, there would be long term consequences to that for your poor healthy man too.

    And finally, in the short term, you are not just wearing the mask to protect older people.
    You are wearing the mask to protect the economy.
    You are wearing the mask to protect the health service from being overwhelmed and being able to treat you should you have an accident.

    It's a class thing no matter what way it goes it will always come down to class,because a middle and upper middle class person naively believes the government is trying to actually save lives,but most people know better and so its always going to become a class thing.


  • #6458
    dwayneshintzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭dwayneshintzy


    Yes: to protect myself and others
    Hannibal36 wrote: »
    It's a class thing no matter what way it goes it will always come down to class,because a middle and upper middle class person naively believes the government is trying to actually save lives,but most people know better and so its always going to become a class thing.
    Cool, give us a link there to back yourself up. You're going on about polls and things showing this to be true, let's see them.


  • #6459
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Hannibal36 wrote: »
    Class has got to do with it because the disagreement on wearing and not wearing is dividing exactly down class lines here and elsewhere.

    I don't think disagreement is along class lines.

    I think it's more likely along education lines.

    On the one side you have those that understand how a virus spreads, understand exponential growth, understand the costs to the economy of another lockdown. On the other side are those that either ignore facts or don't understand them.


  • #6460
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    No: I don't care enough
    Hannibal36 wrote: »
    Asia has long been subjugated, and in reality most large Asian cities would be full of masks long before this virus ever came about,they didn't need a big shove to get in on the mask lark.

    ... And how have those countries got on with controlling the spread of the virus?


  • #6461
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,230 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Hannibal36 wrote: »
    Class has got to do with it because the disagreement on wearing and not wearing is dividing exactly down class lines here and elsewhere.
    Its only dividingdown class lines because you are telling people what class they are regardless of reality :pac:


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  • #6462
    dwayneshintzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭dwayneshintzy


    Yes: to protect myself and others
    robinph wrote: »
    ... And how have those countries got on with controlling the spread of the virus?
    Seems it's quite possible he thinks the whole pandemic is a hoax, to be honest.


  • #6463
    Hannibal36
    Closed Accounts Posts: 127 ✭✭Hannibal36


    Graham wrote: »
    I don't think disagreement is along class lines.

    I think it's more likely along education lines.

    On the one side you have those that understand how a virus spreads, understand exponential growth, understand the costs to the economy of another lockdown. On the other side are those that either ignore facts or don't understand them.

    Point proved,education lines,the college educated boardsies looking for links for every sentence one writes to prove its authenticity,have decided now it's the great uneducated,unwashed masses that don't understand basic science like they do,well you guys went to college to learn how to follow instructions rigidly.

    You guys give yourselves away so easy all riled up with a few of my posts,the truth hurts,you guys are soft middle class,with very little critical thinking.


  • #6464
    OldRio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,568 ✭✭✭OldRio


    Yes: valved
    Hannibal36 wrote: »
    It's a class thing no matter what way it goes it will always come down to class,because a middle and upper middle class person naively believes the government is trying to actually save lives,but most people know better and so its always going to become a class thing.

    This is parody right? Please tell me it is.

    Having now read the post above it has to be.


  • #6465
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,078 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Hannibal36 wrote: »
    Point proved,education lines,the college educated boardsies looking for links for every sentence one writes to prove its authenticity,have decided now it's the great uneducated,unwashed masses that don't understand basic science like they do,well you guys went to college to learn how to follow instructions rigidly.
    You guys give yourselves away so easy all riled up with a few of my posts,the truth hurts,you guys are soft middle class,with very little critical thinking.

    You are the one getting riled up throwing out phrases like the uneducated and unwashed and soft middle class.
    As for authenticity, it's nothing to do with being college educated.
    It's just our BS detectors kicking in.

    Does this disease only kill rich people?
    Or is it your premise that all old people rich?
    Have you polled old poor people and asked them if they would like their sons, daughters, grandchildren, nieces, nephews etc and the younger people in their community to wear masks?

    This disease kills right across the socioeconomic spectrum.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #6466
    McGiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭McGiver


    No: I don't care enough
    Hannibal36 wrote: »
    This is like Chinese whispers, I didn't say they discriminated but the reality is if you take a poll, middle and upper class are In support of them and lower classes are not.

    It's become very clearly drawn on class lines it's the same in the states, so my question is again I can phrase it different why should poor people wear masks that richer people are trying to force them to wear, share some of your money first before you ask poor people to be as stupid as you.
    There's no class. This is English bullsh1te. Go away with this nonsense, Ireland is a European country not the USA or some Commonwealth country (read English quasi colony).

    Even if I agreed to classify people by "class" and even if it was true that they didn't wear masks then the reason why they wouldn't wear them is the same as the reason why they were of that "class" in the first place - not enough education or information.

    And Conspiracy Theories thread is - - - - > way


  • #6467
    Hannibal36
    Closed Accounts Posts: 127 ✭✭Hannibal36


    If any of you guys in here liking these donkeys posts,believing this nonsense,are not earning from this Covid money,bigger fool you,bigger fool you.


  • #6468
    circadian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,526 ✭✭✭circadian


    Yes: other
    Hannibal36 wrote: »
    If any of you guys in here liking these donkeys posts,believing this nonsense,are not earning from this Covid money,bigger fool you,bigger fool you.

    Bye now.


  • #6469
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,238 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Yes: homemade
    Hannibal36 wrote: »
    If any of you guys in here liking these donkeys posts,believing this nonsense,are not earning from this Covid money,bigger fool you,bigger fool you.

    Not for the first time, I have absolutely no idea what you mean by any of that post.

    Edit. Time for the ignore button.


  • #6470
    McGiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭McGiver


    No: I don't care enough
    odyssey06 wrote: »
    You are the one getting riled up throwing out phrases like the uneducated and unwashed and soft middle class.
    As for authenticity, it's nothing to do with being college educated.
    Seriously the idea that masks have been enforced by the bourgeois upper classes to enslave the working class proletariat is bizarre. What do the bourgeois gain by that exactly? They wear the masks themselves. I mean you can't make this up....

    This is an utter nonsense from some sort of a hard left (or hard right), nationalist socialist or communist type of propaganda. Incredible that someone believes that in 2020. It has nothing to do in this thread IMHO.

    Conspiracy theory thread more suitable :)


  • #6471
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,230 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Not for the first time, I have absolutely no idea what you mean by any of that post.

    "Critical thinking" led to the realisation anyway.


    Not sure thats the phrase I'd use.


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  • #6472
    McGiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭McGiver


    No: I don't care enough
    We've reached the peak anti-mask. Every day something new and more bizarre. Still waiting for the "masks reduce penis size", we're close to that.

    All the dissent would have been funny if it were not for people's lives livelihoods and public money at stake here.


  • #6473
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,047 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Not for the first time, I have absolutely no idea what you mean by any of that post.

    He thinks rich people want to keep this "pandemic" scary so they can make money of it, and he thinks the middle and upper classes have no critical thinking skills and just believe the rich, and if we're not making money of being pro-masks, then we're fools because we're doing others' bidding. He thinks poor people shouldn't wear masks just because the middle and upper class ask them to.

    Lad's got a pretty big chip on his shoulder against anyone who went to college etc. So it makes sense that he wouldn't care about anything academic related to the virus and masks.

    Let him at it. It's remarkable.


  • #6474
    OldRio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,568 ✭✭✭OldRio


    Yes: valved
    Read some of his other posts on different subjects. Not the most pleasant. Issues.


  • #6475
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,047 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    McGiver wrote: »
    We've reached the peak anti-mask. Every day something new and more bizarre.

    I said earlier in a deleted post it's like Moore's Law. The stupidity of the arguments seems to double every week.


  • #6476
    Hannibal36
    Closed Accounts Posts: 127 ✭✭Hannibal36


    McGiver wrote: »
    Seriously the idea that masks have been enforced by the bourgeois upper classes to enslave the working class proletariat is bizarre. What do bourgeois gain by that exactly? They were the masks themselves. I mean you can't make this up....

    This is an utter nonsense from some sort of a hard left (or hard right), nationalist socialist or communist type of propaganda. Incredible that someone believes that in 2020. It has nothing to do in this thread IMHO.

    Conspiracy theory thread more suitable :)

    The middle and upper middle are just the useful idiots,they are unaware as is a lot of posters in this thread.

    So explain to me,how come after 6 months into this deadly pandemic,while we shut down every business and forced everybody to stay home did Leo our leader say it was ok for BLM to protest because it was such an important social issue?

    Deadly pandemic anybody?Cop yourselves on lads you are might have some friends in your circle who buy it,but a lot of people are laughing at you people buying this deadly virus that has killed no more people than last year.


  • #6477
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,464 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    No: I don't care enough
    Hannibal36 wrote: »
    This is like Chinese whispers, I didn't say they discriminated but the reality is if you take a poll, middle and upper class are In support of them and lower classes are not.

    It's become very clearly drawn on class lines it's the same in the states, so my question is again I can phrase it different why should poor people wear masks that richer people are trying to force them to wear, share some of your money first before you ask poor people to be as stupid as you.
    Hannibal36 wrote: »
    Class has got to do with it because the disagreement on wearing and not wearing is dividing exactly down class lines here and elsewhere.

    As for your life it is not my fault life has skewed your priorities and made you believe yourself to be a victim,the movies tend to do that with single parents it was the drive to make them cool.

    Reality is two children are a blessing and you are lucky to have them,lots of people far far worse off than you believe me and you don't have to do it while putting up with an interfering abusive partner,you are blessed you just don't realise it,but suffering you are not.Working hard maybe,but you are living,spare a thought for the homeless who dreamt of having kids like you and a job.
    Hannibal36 wrote: »
    Asia has long been subjugated, and in reality most large Asian cities would be full of masks long before this virus ever came about,they didn't need a big shove to get in on the mask lark.

    But if population compliance,subjugation and poverty similar to what East Asian countries endure then need not worry we are right on track to be just like them.
    Hannibal36 wrote: »
    It's a class thing no matter what way it goes it will always come down to class,because a middle and upper middle class person naively believes the government is trying to actually save lives,but most people know better and so its always going to become a class thing.
    Hannibal36 wrote: »
    Point proved,education lines,the college educated boardsies looking for links for every sentence one writes to prove its authenticity,have decided now it's the great uneducated,unwashed masses that don't understand basic science like they do,well you guys went to college to learn how to follow instructions rigidly.

    You guys give yourselves away so easy all riled up with a few of my posts,the truth hurts,you guys are soft middle class,with very little critical thinking.
    Hannibal36 wrote: »
    If any of you guys in here liking these donkeys posts,believing this nonsense,are not earning from this Covid money,bigger fool you,bigger fool you.
    Hannibal36 wrote: »
    The middle and upper middle are just the useful idiots,they are unaware as is a lot of posters in this thread.

    So explain to me,how come after 6 months into this deadly pandemic,while we shut down every business and forced everybody to stay home did Leo our leader say it was ok for BLM to protest because it was such an important social issue?

    Deadly pandemic anybody?Cop yourselves on lads you are might have some friends in your circle who buy it,but a lot of people are laughing at you people buying this deadly virus that has killed no more people than last year.
    Do not post in this thread again


  • #6478
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Yes: other
    I never went to university. Do I win something?

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #6479
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,230 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Wibbs wrote: »
    I never went to university. Do I win something?

    The critical thinking championships as far as I can tell.


    You use a suspicious amount of punctuation however.


  • #6480
    circadian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,526 ✭✭✭circadian


    Yes: other
    Wibbs wrote: »
    I never went to university. Do I win something?

    Pretty sure I've got a Blue Peter badge around here if that's enough of a prize?


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  • #6481
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Yes: other
    pjohnson wrote: »
    The critical thinking championships as far as I can tell.


    You use a suspicious amount of punctuation however.

    Suspicious-Cat.jpg

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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