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  • #6392
    c68zapdsm5i1ru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭c68zapdsm5i1ru


    Yes: surgical
    I was up in nutgrove shopping centre today. Huge sign saying you had to wear a mask if entering. Still a few planks wandering around bare faced.


  • #6393
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    MadYaker wrote: »
    People in shops are starting to actively avoid anyone without masks now. I saw it happen a few times today and I do it myself. Soon they’ll be like lepers.

    800 active cases in the whole country, this is bizarre behaviour. It's like people read Florida stats and think it applies to us.
    Then again, we are the country that have FG and FF in government while the best alternative is SF so I don't have a lot of faith in the Irish electorate.


  • #6394
    Icepick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,456 ✭✭✭Icepick


    Yes: valved
    Assetbacked wrote: »
    800 active cases in the whole country, this is bizarre behaviour. It's like people read Florida stats and think it applies to us.
    Confirmed cases.
    google asymptomatic and presymptomatic


  • #6395
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    Icepick wrote: »
    Confirmed cases.
    google asymptomatic and presymptomatic

    Yes, so they are nothing to worry about. Read hospitalisation data. The capacity is there. You don't want to contract it, due to being hypochondriac, then lay low, do your shopping at certain hours or order delivery, time to just get on with it.


  • #6396
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,351 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Yes: surgical
    Assetbacked wrote: »
    Yes, so they are nothing to worry about. Read hospitalisation data. The capacity is there. You don't want to contract it, due to being hypochondriac, then lay low, do your shopping at certain hours or order delivery, time to just get on with it.

    The capacity is there until it isn’t. This is something that the anti mask brigade can’t seem to understand. This isn’t something we can react to. If you want to see what that’s like go look at videos from hospitals (tents because the real hospitals were full) in Milan back in March and April. We have to be proactive. That means wearing masks and social distancing even though the numbers are low. It’s to keep the numbers low. By the time we start seeing an increase in hospital admissions the wheels are already in motion and it’s too late to do anything about it, so that will result in a return lockdown to reduce transmission again. We are getting on with it, with masks on, because that’s the only way.

    You want us back in lockdown is that why you’re against masks? I know there are some lockdown fanatics on here.


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  • #6397
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    No: I don't care enough
    Hospitals in the US for instance are getting overcrowded, and understaffed as doctors and nurses get the virus. One South Texas hospital is so bogged down they're at the point of being ready to discharge terminal patients home to die.

    https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/07/24/outbreak-texas-hospital-may-send-some-patients-home-to-die/


  • #6398
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Yes: valved
    I still don't understand why people won't wear a mask. They're not asking us to wear them all the time. Just inside public spaces. Just mask up outside the shop.

    If I cycle/walk to the shop, I give myself a few minutes outside the shop to catch my breath. And then I mask up and they're easier to wear.


  • #6399
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    MadYaker wrote: »
    The capacity is there until it isn’t. This is something that the anti mask brigade can’t seem to understand. This isn’t something we can react to. If you want to see what that’s like go look at videos from hospitals (tents because the real hospitals were full) in Milan back in March and April. We have to be proactive. That means wearing masks and social distancing even though the numbers are low. It’s to keep the numbers low. By the time we start seeing an increase in hospital admissions the wheels are already in motion and it’s too late to do anything about it, so that will result in a return lockdown to reduce transmission again. We are getting on with it, with masks on, because that’s the only way.

    You want us back in lockdown is that why you’re against masks? I know there are some lockdown fanatics on here.

    The capacity is there until it isn't.

    Such nonsense and it was very tough to trawl through the muck of the rest of your post after that.


    Whataboutery is how I'd sum the rest of it up. Emotive, hyperbole as well. You live in a perpetual state of fear and panic not backed up in any data. Show me data and not pathetic, over the top emotional posts and ill consider your counter point.


  • #6400
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,306 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Yes: valved
    Assetbacked wrote: »
    800 active cases in the whole country, this is bizarre behaviour. It's like people read Florida stats and think it applies to us.
    Then again, we are the country that have FG and FF in government while the best alternative is SF so I don't have a lot of faith in the Irish electorate.

    FG FF SF ah fu.k that man, politics has nothing to do with this. Out of all three shortcuts I understand only SF stands for science fiction right? I could make the other two as well, but too many dots to avoid bad language. As it was pointed out many many times here, we want to keep country open with as little cases as possible. That's why we should keep all measures in place. Unless of course you have effective treatment or vaccine.


  • #6401
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Yes: valved
    Overheal wrote: »
    Hospitals in the US for instance are getting overcrowded, and understaffed as doctors and nurses get the virus. One South Texas hospital is so bogged down they're at the point of being ready to discharge terminal patients home to die.

    https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/07/24/outbreak-texas-hospital-may-send-some-patients-home-to-die/

    It's like Italy all over again.

    Why can't people see that we can end up like that as well. And we can't afford another lockdown. Just easier to wear a mask.


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  • #6402
    harr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭harr


    Anyone any idea when this will become law and why the wait .. it only leads to arguments For shop staff when they are mandatory but not legally enforceable.
    A lot of shops and restaurants aren’t even making staff Mask up yet.
    Why not have the Legalisation done before making them mandatory.
    Glad to see the number of mask wearing increase over the weekend.


  • #6403
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Assetbacked wrote: »
    Yes, so they are nothing to worry about. Read hospitalisation data. The capacity is there. You don't want to contract it, due to being hypochondriac, then lay low, do your shopping at certain hours or order delivery, time to just get on with it.

    Did you just really suggest we don't need to wear masks because we have capacity in our hospitals?


  • #6404
    carveone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭carveone


    harr wrote: »
    Anyone any idea when this will become law and why the wait .. it only leads to arguments For shop staff when they are mandatory but not legally enforceable.
    A lot of shops and restaurants aren’t even making staff Mask up yet.
    Why not have the Legalisation done before making them mandatory.
    Glad to see the number of mask wearing increase over the weekend.

    I wonder is part of the issue that having to wear them in shops hasn't been well communicated. If I google it I get
    "when they are made mandatory, x will happen"...
    "Concern over shops 'policing' non-mandatory wearing of face masks."...
    "Face masks will become mandatory as soon as ...."

    In other words all the sticks that should be used if it was mandatory. Which it isn't. Or is it? The gov.ie says "mandatory on public transport" and that is as clear as can be.

    Yes, I know the reaction will be "sure are you thick or what?" but if you were busy for the last week like I was, and worn down listening to the 24 hour bloody Covid-19 channel that is RTE, then it may not have been particularly evident that something had changed. Certainly I didn't hear anything on the news about it...

    Having said all that, as soon as walked into Dunnes this evening, it was rather evident - almost everyone was wearing a mask. Which I suppose is communication in itself as you definitely feel like "that guy". Luckily I had a mask in my bag...


  • #6405
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    No: I don't care enough
    harr wrote: »
    Anyone any idea when this will become law and why the wait .. it only leads to arguments For shop staff when they are mandatory but not legally enforceable.
    A lot of shops and restaurants aren’t even making staff Mask up yet.
    Why not have the Legalisation done before making them mandatory.
    Glad to see the number of mask wearing increase over the weekend.

    Or just realize the issue is [IANAL] a matter of private property and right to refuse service. Trespass customers that aren't in compliance, give them the option to accept a mask, or do their business curbside.

    Antimaskers are very big on "muh rights" but business owners have rights too, and that includes letting you know you are trespassing on private property. Managers, Security etc. are authorized reps of the owner. [again, IANAL, but it boils down to that]


  • #6406
    harr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭harr


    https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/face-masks-disposable-gloves.html


  • #6407
    carveone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭carveone


    harr wrote: »
    https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/face-masks-disposable-gloves.html

    Agree - just saw that too and it's is a clearer message... I've seen that the social welfare offices are clear as well: wear a mask or you can't come in.

    Now I just feel unfashionable - I have a bunch of the cheap blue/white disposables but it's not doing it for me ;)


  • #6408
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Yes: valved
    Graham wrote: »
    Did you just really suggest we don't need to wear masks because we have capacity in our hospitals?

    Yes

    And just because they have capacity, you're also free to ignore pedestrian crossings while driving and mow down anyone in your way. There's no harm, the hospitals have capacity.


  • #6409
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,351 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Yes: surgical
    Assetbacked wrote: »
    The capacity is there until it isn't.

    Such nonsense and it was very tough to trawl through the muck of the rest of your post after that.


    Whataboutery is how I'd sum the rest of it up. Emotive, hyperbole as well. You live in a perpetual state of fear and panic not backed up in any data. Show me data and not pathetic, over the top emotional posts and ill consider your counter point.

    I’m not worried about catching it myself. I’m 27 and in very good shape. I likely wouldn’t even have symptoms. But I’m worried about infecting others because I try to be a decent skin. You obviously don’t share those concerns?


  • #6410
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    Yes: surgical
    Assetbacked wrote: »
    800 active cases in the whole country, this is bizarre behaviour. It's like people read Florida stats and think it applies to us.
    Then again, we are the country that have FG and FF in government while the best alternative is SF so I don't have a lot of faith in the Irish electorate.

    Ah you're one of those cure better than prevention lads. Great stuff. I believe there were 0 cases in January, but lots of people still died and the economy shut down. Now if only the community had worn a mask....


  • #6411
    Roanmore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭Roanmore


    No: other
    I've just come across this, apologies if posted previously.

    My wife an I wear a Buff snood / neck warmer, easier to wear and wash regularly.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/face-masks-really-do-matter-the-scientific-evidence-is-growing-11595083298?mod=wsjtwittertest19


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  • #6412
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Yes: surgical
    Has anyone ordered from https://www.maskpro.ie/buy-products ?


    It's an Irish company I saw suggested on this thread some time back

    If you did get some from them, how was the fit and general quality? It looks like they have a one size fits all option


  • #6413
    Tokyo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,655 ✭✭✭✭Tokyo


    Assetbacked wrote: »
    Show me data and not pathetic, over the top emotional posts and ill consider your counter point.

    Mod: You can get your point across without personalizing your response and being dickish about it. Take 48 hours away from the thread to reconsider.


  • #6414
    the corpo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,817 ✭✭✭the corpo


    Yes: valved
    There was a stall at Marlay park this weekend, selling fancy looking cotton masks, 2 euro for one, or three for a fiver. I didn't have a look at the quality, but they were doing a brisk trade, might be worth a punt if anyone is passing next weekend.


  • #6415
    McGiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭McGiver


    No: I don't care enough
    MadYaker wrote:
    People in shops are starting to actively avoid anyone without masks now. I saw it happen a few times today and I do it myself. Soon they’ll be like lepers.
    That's the right approach.

    People with no masks are selfish arseholes and/or idiots.

    This is a team effort, we all do it together. Everyone has to chip in. The more we do the better for all of us. Especially the risk groups.


  • #6416
    McGiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭McGiver


    No: I don't care enough
    MadYaker wrote:
    The capacity is there until it isn’t. This is something that the anti mask brigade can’t seem to understand. This isn’t something we can react to. If you want to see what that’s like go look at videos from hospitals (tents because the real hospitals were full) in Milan back in March and April. We have to be proactive. That means wearing masks and social distancing even though the numbers are low. It’s to keep the numbers low. By the time we start seeing an increase in hospital admissions the wheels are already in motion and it’s too late to do anything about it, so that will result in a return lockdown to reduce transmission again. We are getting on with it, with masks on, because that’s the only way.

    Common sense.

    Or Risk Management in fancy language.

    You actively prevent shíte happening before it happens.


  • #6417
    Pretzill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,756 ✭✭✭Pretzill


    Yes: surgical
    I was in my local shop the other day and I didn't see anyone without a mask, including shop assistants - bear in mind I live next to the middle of nowhere and our virus numbers are low. I'm very proud our local community is stepping up, it's this sort of thing that will get the country back on its feet.

    I have a few masks, I made some early on (1st week in March) that I can wash and reuse - I also got motorbike masks (the cloth ones that go under a helmet but they're a bit hot to wear this weather) I ordered a pack of 10 reusable black masks off Amazon the other day for 9.99 - I thought it was good value I'll know if they are good quality when they eventually arrive.

    It's great the common sense is prevailing with covering up, I just wish it wasn't handled so badly in the first place.


  • #6418
    NovemberWren
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 374 ✭✭NovemberWren


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    Masks:- Christian Dior Haute Couture Fall-Winter 2010/2011.

    the eyes also are protected? all dem chemtrails.


  • #6419
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    Graham wrote: »
    Did you just really suggest we don't need to wear masks because we have capacity in our hospitals?

    The reason to wear masks is to assist with containing the spread when it is rising (with other measures including hygiene, social distancing, eating healthy and exercising) we are at astonishingly low levels in the community for 2 months now, having "effectively extinguished" the virus in the community. Our hospitals, even with bulked up capacity, have 15/16 people "with" covid in them so the resources are there to deal with a few weeks of cases increasing rapidly again.

    In this context, there is no need to make masks mandatory now.

    Do yourself a favour and read the data in the attachment, then try to hold off hammering the keyboard.


  • #6420
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    Impossible to enforce masks in shops just like on public transport. On a large shop how do you police security have better things to be doing than checking mask you know like looking for shoplifters actually makes it tougher for security to indentify shoplofters if wearing a mask but that's a debate for another day.

    Do you refuse a person at the till if not wearing a mask well at that stage the damage has been done as they have spread it around the shop if they have it.


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  • #6421
    NovemberWren
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 374 ✭✭NovemberWren


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    GT89 wrote: »
    Impossible to enforce masks in shops just like on public transport. On a large shop how do you police security have better things to be doing than checking mask you know like looking for shoplifters actually makes it tougher for security to indentify shoplofters if wearing a mask but that's a debate for another day.

    Do you refuse a person at the till if not wearing a mask well at that stage the damage has been done as they have spread it around the shop if they have it.

    it is: artificial, manufactured, Flu. it hits right through to the respiratory system.

    the 'fear' part of this is: it is manufactured. and the fear also is - no-one knows exactly who is the Power that made this.


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