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Who's your worst despot?

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    #32
    Ipso
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    KungPao wrote: »
    Tony Hayers.

    Evolution over revolution, my ass!


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    #33
    Beanntraigheach
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    Vigo the Carpathian


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    #34
    Mad_maxx
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    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    He turned oppression into a kind of fetish. I find it unbelievable that there are Maoists in existence today, although most of them bend over backwards to try and separate the theoretical from the historical case. It isn't very convincing.

    I was taught a class in college by a Maoist, a man who has written at least two books full of deluded praise of Mao's prescriptions. Always found it odd that you'd get fired for being a Hitler sympathiser but can merrily spout the positive attributes of the worst mass murderer in human history.

    Not to mention the fact that if he'd lived in Communist China, Mao would have ploughed him into the soil years ago.

    Nothing odd about it , leftists dominate academia so when it's one of their own doing the killing, it's not so bad


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    #35
    Mad_maxx
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    manager I had twenty years ago

    Cross between Hitler and Ally Mc Beal

    Neurotic Nazi


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    #36
    JohnnyFlash
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    Alex Ferguson.


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    #37
    selwyn froggitt
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    KungPao wrote: »
    Tony Hayers.

    The devil can take many forms


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    #38
    Randy Archer
    Registered Users Posts: 859 ✭✭✭Randy Archer


    Frankx wrote: »
    I hated Saddam Hussein

    When he was hanged all my anger went away

    Did you see the LIVE execution on the internet . Was around New Year’s Eve . It could be found on line

    Yikes, We were all singing and dancing for his death (Literally) just before it happened and then utterly dumb during the event and after. Not something I want to witness again. Death is no joke . Still a “human”

    He was pretty defiant right up to the end


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    #39
    Randy Archer
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    Robert Mugabe . It was meant to be a great change, Zimbabwe was a strong economy ...roll forward 30 years later, a cess pool. A shame as the people are nice decent humans , just got a **** for a leader , who didn’t give a toss for the people

    Was he ruthless ? Oh god yes, allowed people Who didn’t vote for him and his party to starve, in the age of social media watching. But, he wasn’t useful in rooting out the opposition as they remained strong

    A few other bastards from Africa spring to mind too. Charles Taylor from Liberia loved his diamonds . The Uganda lad is horrific


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    #40
    Your Face
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    Stalin.
    I really have to question the intelligence of the people who still defend him.


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    #41
    randd1
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    gogo wrote: »
    Genghis always offered surrender before war, he used to erect three tents.. white tent = a chance to surrender, if that don’t work, red tent = all men of fighting age would die, if that didn’t work then black tent = total and utter annihilation.
    He was an incredible leader and people flocked to serve him, he was also fighting a regime from the Chinese that kept his people divided for centuries, The ‘divide and rule’ policy.
    Yes he was merciless and millions were killed under his rule, but a small part has to admire his what he achieved, the romans were no different in there ruthlessness to conquer land under Julius Caesar, but there was always an option to surrender first which I feel sets them apart from other, well ... despots

    When a city had to be made example of, he would order everything living in the city to be killed. That meant all animals too.

    Women of any age, without exception, were raped prior to being killed. Everybody would have their heads cut off and stacked into pyramids.

    Sometimes it could take a few days for the Mongols to kill everyone by execution, a team of soldiers sometimes had 1000 people to be killed.

    That being said, one of the reasons they got as far as Europe was because he felt he was betrayed by Moslems. He had agreed a truce and peace with the Moslem Sultan at the time, and both had hammered out a very beneficial trade deal that included protected trade routes from Europe to Japan, India and Africa and everywhere in between.

    One of the Sultans men however refused to acknowledge the Mongols, and sent their trade emissaries back to Khan with their hats stapled to their heads.

    Khan demanded the be handed over to him for punishment, but the Sultan refused. That's when the Mongols started moving west, wiping out half the population of the Middle East and Ukraine/Southern Russia. The city of Merv was raised to the ground and everyone in it put to death (over a million people), it was thought to be at the time the foremost scientific, mathematical, astronomical and technological city of the age.

    Had the Sultan handed over the offending party in the interest of peace, the world might have been very different today.

    An interesting fella at the very least was Genghis Khan.


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    #42
    nigeldaniel
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    The thing about despots is, unless history tells us about them we don't know they exist. How many more are not written about or worse, how many more are written up in a biased and false manner. These days I have little regard for upper education as there is a creeping nature about it that will turn out young people who are misguided and sometimes plain wrong about things. The media don't help much in this regard.

    Dan.



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    #43
    Frankx
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    Idi Amin


    Africa's scary BFG


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    #44
    [Deleted User]
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    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    Nothing odd about it , leftists dominate academia

    More Jordan Peterson nonsense, tbf.

    I assume that's where it comes from. He used to come out with that nonsense, and then there was a sudden mushrooming of lads parroting him on the internet.

    Look, if anyone has reason to hate Mao it's the academics. Even in Ireland the Maoist students had a habit for punching academics in the face.


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    #45
    Randy Archer
    Registered Users Posts: 859 ✭✭✭Randy Archer


    Who are the best, successful and slightly cool despots ?

    Would Castro n Che be considered total ledge bags

    Didn’t Pinochet have some interesting ways to make people disappear ?

    What about Rocket Man ?


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    #46
    Frankx
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    Randy Archer wrote: »
    Who are the best, successful and slightly cool despots ?

    Would Castro n Che be considered total ledge bags

    Didn’t Pinochet have some interesting ways to make people disappear ?

    What about Rocket Man ?

    Pinochet had a fleet of helicopters constantly ferrying people out to sea to be dropped into the ocean


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    #47
    ClydeTallyBump
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    Stalin.


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    #48
    Frankx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭Frankx


    ClydeTallyBump wrote: »
    Stalin.

    Didn't Stalin personally execute thousands while watching porn movies?


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    #49
    fleet_admiral
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    Barack Obama


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    #50
    Randy Archer
    Registered Users Posts: 859 ✭✭✭Randy Archer


    Frankx wrote: »
    Pinochet had a fleet of helicopters constantly ferrying people out to sea to be dropped into the ocean

    Clever, wasn’t it . Cost feck all, no proofs or traces left behind .

    Those passengers won the golden ticket for all expenses paid luxury flight to a hidden luxurious island . It was so good that they never came back or emigrated elsewhere .

    Dropped into the sea ? No no no, that was Pinochet’s scholarship fund to promote scuba diving and sea tourism ...


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    #51
    storker
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    Vestiapx wrote: »
    Hitler was pretty bad I heard.

    At least he didn't play jungle music at three in the morning.


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    #52
    Frankx
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    Randy Archer wrote: »
    Clever, wasn’t it . Cost feck all, no proofs or traces left behind .

    Those passengers won the golden ticket for all expenses paid luxury flight to a hidden luxurious island . It was so good that they never came back or emigrated elsewhere .

    Dropped into the sea ? No no no, that was Pinochet’s scholarship fund to promote scuba diving and sea tourism ...

    He turned them into shark food as well

    Made a profit on the bodies


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    #53
    ohnonotgmail
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    Frankx wrote: »
    Didn't Stalin personally execute thousands while watching porn movies?

    unlikely. Vasily Blokhin of the NKVD did personally execute approximately 7000 polish officers during the Katyn massacre. He shot them one at a time over a period of 28 days.


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    #54
    storker
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    Frankx wrote: »
    Didn't Stalin personally execute thousands while watching porn movies?

    Quite considerate really. The porn would have taken their minds off what was about to happen.

    Oh...


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    #55
    JohnnyFlash
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    Your Face wrote: »
    Stalin.
    I really have to question the intelligence of the people who still defend him.

    He really did believe in that Marxist–Leninist stuff.


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    #56
    Frankx
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    Lady Pinochet

    The Manilla Bombshell


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    #57
    [Deleted User]
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    Your Face wrote: »
    Stalin.
    I really have to question the intelligence of the people who still defend him.
    Yeah, but he's turned into a cartoon villain in a way that lacks accuracy too.

    There is good evidence that Stalin was different to other dictators in that he didn't believe his own publicity. He believed that the Russians needed a strong and inspirational leader with a nerve of steel, and that Stalin had to be seen to be that man, even though he wasn't.

    Stalin also had an intellectual side that other despots and criminals tended to lack. I don't know whether that's a redeeming feature or it makes his crimes even worse.

    As bad as Stalin was, he was also the most complex of them all.

    Whereas the likes of Mussolini. Hitler, Mao and Churchill were totally ignorant in their violence and their intellectual vapidity.


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    #58
    Frankx
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    Fu Manchu


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    #59
    Frankx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭Frankx


    storker wrote: »
    At least he didn't play jungle music at three in the morning.

    Do I detect a racist undertone?


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    #60
    Richard Hillman
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    The Pol Pot regime was absolutely mental. He basically just said there are too many people in the country, anybody slightly different to me or educated in anyway is dead.

    For Hitler, if you were not ethnic German, cheerio. if you were fully fledged German you were OK but you're going to war and you'll probably die that way.

    Stalin. Again like most Marxists, if you are educated or successful in any way, you're dead. Then he will engage in slow genocide. Famine, starvation, disease, you name it. All the slow death methods. It is absolutely Pot Luck if he likes you or not.

    Mao Zedong. Killed tens of millions through incompetence. Not that he meant well either. Anything not fully fledged to the regime were dead. There was no silent majority. You gave your life to the regime or you are dead.

    Bob Mugabe. Promised the world to black people of Zimbabwe. They were poor because of the white man. He chucked the white people off their farms. Thousands of white farmers and their families killed. Turns out farming is a lot harder than just planting stuff. Food shortages ensues, hyperinflation, failed state.

    Lots of lessons for today. Charismatic leaders promising the world for the peasant class. Intolerance of any other ideology. Back us or you are the enemy. Blaming successful people for the failures of others. The constant divvying up and overemphasis of ethnicity and social class.

    Big Government Left/Right, not good. Let society dictate what they want. Not activists, media, big business or politicians.


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    #61
    Frankx
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    Margaret Thatcher

    Architect of the Falklands Massacre


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