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Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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  • #1262
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    leavingirl wrote: »
    This is Nazi Germany stuff.

    Easy to see how quickly propaganda spreads and people turn. Especially with masks etc. Hundreds of cases a day and masks weren't deemed necessary. About 10 cases a day now and masks are "essential", people calling for others to be treated like lepers for not wearing them.


  • #1263
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    Thierry12 wrote:
    Antibody tests are crap and miss lots of cases

    Do you think chicken pox antibodies are flowing through your blood right now?
    Varicella Zoster antibodies last many years, so yes, they probably are.
    schmook wrote:
    A lot of them are really really crap - but some or actually good, there is ongoing testing to find a good one, so it can be the official test.
    When people talk about antibody tests being "crap" I assume they mean they dont provide the information we want about immunity. Thats different to the actual tests being accurate.

    Many manufacturers selling home antibody tests for a quick buck will be unreliable. The tests performed by a laboratory will have been validated extensively prior to being offered to the public.
    Those tests will be accurate and specific i.e. if the person has antibodies at that time, it will detect them.

    To use an antibody test effectively, the person should be tested a few weeks after infection. That makes it hard for asymptomatic people to determine when they were infected. That can be said about any virus. People don't get tested for viruses they don't suspect they had.

    Antibody tests shouldn't be dismissed as being useless if they are not used when they are useful.


  • #1264
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    By now Ireland should be well in the throws of the second wave, but things look to be going ok. Same for most of Europe, numbers are controllable.


  • #1265
    quokula
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,853 ✭✭✭quokula


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Easy to see how quickly propaganda spreads and people turn. Especially with masks etc. Hundreds of cases a day and masks weren't deemed necessary. About 10 cases a day now and masks are "essential", people calling for others to be treated like lepers for not wearing them.

    Hundreds of cases per day and everyone had to stay in their houses. 10s of cases per day and people can go where they want, but wear a mask. It's not rocket science.


  • #1266
    What Username Guidelines
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    Anyone know why France and Spain havent reported in 2 days?


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  • #1267
    bb1234567
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I have a bad feeling Vietnam is about to finally get wrecked by Covid-19. The first two times here, people were wearing masks. This time, no one has worn masks in months and there hasn't been any social distancing, there has been enormous domestic tourism to the city now infected, and it's a strain not seen here before that is much worse.

    And in what I'll call a bad omen, there was a small earthquake as I was typing this.

    Even if there was a large outbreak it doesn't necessarily mean it would be very bad. Some countries with young populations just seem to be doing well, the virus really does seem to be naturally subsiding in countries like Pakistan and Afghanistan and Bangladesh despite a low number of deaths.

    It is unknown why this is though as there are plenty of young countries such as most of Latin America which are quite shockingly now overtaking Europe in number of deaths per capita. Certainly must be some kind of genetic or demographic component to explain why some countries are experiencing low numbers of deaths though, even with poor control of spread by authorities.


  • #1268
    JJayoo
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    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    Anyone know why France and Spain havent reported in 2 days?

    Dey all ded


  • #1269
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,047 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Even if there was a large outbreak it doesn't necessarily mean it would be very bad. Some countries with young populations just seem to be doing well, the virus really does seem to be naturally subsiding in countries like Pakistan and Afghanistan and Bangladesh despite a low number of deaths.

    It is unknown why this is though as there are plenty of young countries such as most of Latin America which are quite shockingly now overtaking Europe in number of deaths per capita. Certainly must be some kind of genetic or demographic component to explain why some countries are experiencing low numbers of deaths though, even with poor control of spread by authorities.

    Vietnam is very young and it is the least obese nation of adults in the world. I think that helps along with the intensive contact tracing and willingness to wear masks. And just the massive support for government's response.

    Anyways I'm rambling.


  • #1270
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,346 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    quokula wrote: »
    Hundreds of cases per day and everyone had to stay in their houses. 10s of cases per day and people can go where they want, but wear a mask. It's not rocket science.

    Hundreds of cases per day and everyone had to stay in their houses - yet they still went to shops & supermarkets. 10s of cases per day - and we're talking about those same supermarkets.

    Its a token gesture by the government to pacify the part of the population that they went out of their way to scare sh1tless for months. Its crazy stuff. The fearful, zero risk crowd won't stop at supermarkets. There are people having twitches seeing others climbing mountains without masks now.

    "It's not rocket science", "its not that hard to understand", "have a bit of cop on" seems very popular here, but it does not pass for an argument.


  • #1271
    Deeper Blue
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    ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »
    It's not just Vietnam the whole planet is in real trouble now. Difficult Winter ahead for Europe in particular.

    Out of interest why will it be particularly difficult for Europe?


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  • #1272
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,346 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    There's a lot more than supermarkets open now. I know that tends to be ignored by those intent on throwing a tantrum over the restrictions.

    Have a bit of cop on works perfectly well as an argument in this case. It's a bit of cloth over your face. It'll do you no harm.

    Er, there is not.

    And it works only well for those who cant make a rational argument.


  • #1273
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    Er, there is not.

    And it works only well for those who cant make a rational argument.

    Any argument based on a fallacy is irrational. :rolleyes:


  • #1274
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    quokula wrote: »
    Hundreds of cases per day and everyone had to stay in their houses. 10s of cases per day and people can go where they want, but wear a mask. It's not rocket science.

    Its been tens of cases for over a month now and we are in week 4/5 of phase 3. People could go where they wanted since the end of phase 2. Masks have only become mandatory in the past 2 weeks, and are suddenly essential kit. It's not rocket science.


  • #1275
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,346 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    timsey tiger wrote: »
    Any argument based on a fallacy is irrational. :rolleyes:

    Well actually, fair enough, my bad. I misread that as in there are a lot more supermarkets open now. I missed the 'than'.

    But the point remains. Whats so different about supermarkets now thats its deemed essential when we have strong evidence that no significance (or any) transmission happened there throughout all this without masks?


  • #1276
    [Deleted User]
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    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    There's a lot more than supermarkets open now. I know that tends to be ignored by those intent on throwing a tantrum over the restrictions.

    Have a bit of cop on works perfectly well as an argument in this case. It's a bit of cloth over your face. It'll do you no harm.

    Yeah but supermarkets are where we're wearing masks, hence why they're being discussed. Its difficult to believe supermarkets are a risky environment when we went from hundreds of cases a day to 10 a day all the while using supermarkets without masks.

    I'm not anti-masks but it just doesn't add up for supermarkets. I can understand public transport, schools when they open etc.


  • #1277
    Assetbacked
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    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    Hundreds of cases per day and everyone had to stay in their houses - yet they still went to shops & supermarkets. 10s of cases per day - and we're talking about those same supermarkets.

    Its a token gesture by the government to pacify the part of the population that they went out of their way to scare sh1tless for months. Its crazy stuff. The fearful, zero risk crowd won't stop at supermarkets. There are people having twitches seeing others climbing mountains without masks now.

    "It's not rocket science", "its not that hard to understand", "have a bit of cop on" seems very popular here, but it does not pass for an argument.

    This is literally the extent of the arguments from those that persist with the notion that covid is a cause for concern in Ireland. They ignore the data, which is freely available (links below), instead going off all hysterical on their keyboards for some irrational reasons. The plan is to flatten the curve, eradicating the virus is not the aim of the game; if you get covid in Ireland and (in the unlikely event) you need treatment there is plenty of capacity in hospitals for you. Typical response to this "there is capacity until there isn't". :rolleyes:

    https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/ireland/


  • #1278
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,346 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    AdamD wrote: »
    Yeah but supermarkets are where we're wearing masks, hence why they're being discussed. Its difficult to believe supermarkets are a risky environment when we went from hundreds of cases a day to 10 a day all the while using supermarkets without masks.

    I'm not anti-masks but it just doesn't add up for supermarkets. I can understand public transport, schools when they open etc.

    I'm in the same boat. I'm not anti mask. I can see scenarios where they may be advisable. But the late in the game mask addition to supermarket smells of bullsh1t all the way. I have yet to see an actual proper rational argument for them. Only the infamous 'its not rocket science" line.


  • #1279
    schmoo2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭schmoo2k


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    Hundreds of cases per day and everyone had to stay in their houses - yet they still went to shops & supermarkets. 10s of cases per day - and we're talking about those same supermarkets.

    Its a token gesture by the government to pacify the part of the population that they went out of their way to scare sh1tless for months. Its crazy stuff. The fearful, zero risk crowd won't stop at supermarkets. There are people having twitches seeing others climbing mountains without masks now.

    "It's not rocket science", "its not that hard to understand", "have a bit of cop on" seems very popular here, but it does not pass for an argument.

    No - they went to the supermarkets, shops were closed. Masks were impossible to get and the ones that were available they wanted to go to the frontline workers. Also no one was using public transport.

    Now we have opened everything except pubs and schools and there is a lot more congestion. Masks are relatively easy to get and the evidence seems to be there that they do help (is it a single cure all - no - its just a little help, like distancing and washing hands).


  • #1280
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    We all know masks should have been made compulsory from the beginning but the weren’t because the government were afraid that supply would be affected. Supply is grand now so they made them compulsory, its not overly complicated to get that.


  • #1281
    gipi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,343 ✭✭✭gipi


    There has been a review of the number of cases for Co Louth. The total number has been reduced by 30 from 792 to 762 up to 24th July.

    I don't know about other counties, I guess the 30 cases had to be allocated somewhere.


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  • #1282
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,346 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    We all know masks should have been made compulsory from the beginning but the weren’t because the government were afraid that supply would be affected. Supply is grand now so they made them compulsory, its not overly complicated to get that.

    Conjecture. Also the bit in bold ;)


  • #1283
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    gipi wrote: »
    There has been a review of the number of cases for Co Louth. The total number has been reduced by 30 from 792 to 762 up to 24th July.

    I don't know about other counties, I guess the 30 cases had to be allocated somewhere.

    Think thats an error on the dashboard, the latest county figures are here
    https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/723a0-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-sunday-26-july/#cases-by-county


  • #1284
    What Username Guidelines
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    schmoo2k wrote: »
    No - they went to the supermarkets, shops were closed. Masks were impossible to get and the ones that were available they wanted to go to the frontline workers. Also no one was using public transport.

    Now we have opened everything except pubs and schools and there is a lot more congestion. Masks are relatively easy to get and the evidence seems to be there that they do help (is it a single cure all - no - its just a little help, like distancing and washing hands).

    I think this is key in arguments about measures. Those against certain measures will often argue in isolation
    1. "A mask won't stop all transmission"
    2. "How does a €9 meal keep me safe?"
    3. "Oh so if I go more than 2km from my house I'll get Covid"
    4. "10 people indoors is safe but 11 isn't?"
    etc..

    When it's actually..
    1. A mask can decrease chances of transmission
    2. A meal means you're in a restaurant not a pub, which is relatively safer
    3. If we dont have people travelling all over the place there'll be less chance of transmission
    4. The smaller the group, the less chance of transmission.


  • #1285
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    schmoo2k wrote: »
    No - they went to the supermarkets, shops were closed. Masks were impossible to get and the ones that were available they wanted to go to the frontline workers. Also no one was using public transport.

    Now we have opened everything except pubs and schools and there is a lot more congestion. Masks are relatively easy to get and the evidence seems to be there that they do help (is it a single cure all - no - its just a little help, like distancing and washing hands).

    Pick any Mon-Fri during the pandemic. Go to Dublin Bus's twitter or FB page for that day and look at hoe many people complained of overcrowding, no social distancing etc. To say no on was using public transport is just lies.


  • #1286
    hmmm
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    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    When it's actually..
    1. A mask can decrease chances of transmission
    2. A meal means you're in a restaurant not a pub, which is relatively safer
    3. If we dont have people travelling all over the place there'll be less chance of transmission
    4. The smaller the group, the less chance of transmission.
    Exactly. You have to wonder whether they are deliberately trying to ridicule measures (which some are), or just a bit thick (which some are also).

    Staying in your home, having no visitors and touching nothing is close to zero risk. Every other thing you do will increase your risk. Government guidelines are to try and have population-wide measures which will allow us to manage risk as a country - obviously some measures will make no sense in certain contexts (e.g. social distancing on an airplane, or asking small kids to wear masks), it's up to everyone to interpret the measures and do their best to reduce risk for the good of us all.


  • #1287
    bodhrandude
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    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    We all know masks should have been made compulsory from the beginning but the weren’t because the government were afraid that supply would be affected. Supply is grand now so they made them compulsory, its not overly complicated to get that.

    At the beginning the government was running about like headless chickens trying to get votes for the election, if I recall they had a poll day in Galway which was timed around the same time as the opening party for the Galway city of culture celebrations on February. It was only in March that FG started to take the pandemic a bit more seriously.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #1288
    gipi
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    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Think thats an error on the dashboard, the latest county figures are here
    https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/723a0-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-sunday-26-july/#cases-by-county

    Thanks. The lower figure is being reported in the tracker app too. The numbers for Meath seemed to be incorrect in the daily statement a few days ago too. As if the reporting wasn't confusing enough!!


  • #1289
    What Username Guidelines
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    hmmm wrote: »
    Exactly. You have to wonder whether they are deliberately trying to ridicule measures (which some are), or just a bit thick (which some are also).

    I think it's also the same for looking at the overall pandemic, lots of isolated arguments and not many holistic views. The holistic view of the entire situation is a pretty grim picture and a very complex balancing act, and I do think some people would prefer not to think about it or are ignorant to it due to how massive a societal/economic/health problem it is.


  • #1290
    blade1
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    JJayoo wrote: »
    Dey all ded

    They are with the angles now.


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  • #1291
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    COVID-19 confirmed in pet cat in the UK.
    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/covid-19-confirmed-in-pet-cat-in-the-uk


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