How will schools be able to go back in September?

lulublue22 · 26-07-2020 06:57PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I understand , i too would wish that everything was as before but its not . What do you suggest that would make it easier and yet have children in the classroom ?
Having them in half a week will be extremely difficult to organise in my opinion
Teachers in the classroom all week with no childcare for their own kids . Parents juggling work and school . Siblings in on different days maybe . It would be very difficult all round for both parents and for teachers

It would be a logistical nightmare not alone for parents but administratively for schools trying to accommodate siblings and parents wanting a say in who is in their child’s pod. However as you said these are not normal times ( shoukd a question of easier come in to it ? ) and if we are looking at this from both a public health perspective and as a means of maximising teaching and learning then smaller pods which means less children on site is certainly an option that should be considered.

wirelessdude01 · 26-07-2020 07:11PM

teachinggal123 wrote: »

The temporary nature of teaching.
The lack of strength some people have.
The power over timetables and allocation of classes.
The power to give a bad reference for the next job.
Etc
Etc
Etc

This stuff happens in every job but teaching is a bit different. Maybe when you are permanent it’s different but please don’t be so naive.

Teachers have been on about this exact thing for years.

Do you want me to get my violin now or later?

Seriously think you need to change schools. From this time and the last time you went on a rant here it's kinda obvious that you really dislike and possibly detest both your school environment and your colleagues. Your well-being is far more important than any job. Trust me on that.

ldy4mxonucwsq6 · 26-07-2020 07:29PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Do you want me to get my violin now or later?

Seriously think you need to change schools. From this time and the last time you went on a rant here it's kinda obvious that you really dislike and possibly detest both your school environment and your colleagues. Your well-being is far more important than any job. Trust me on that.

A lot of teachers have complained about their working environments on this thread alone.

I have asked is there no way to escalate working in such shoddy conditions some of which don't belong in a supposed modern society (I didn't get an answer to that question).

No heating, no warm water, mould, damp, overcrowding, no ventilation, outdated technology and equipment (it reads like a PRTB case). Not enough resources, too many students, not enough colleague support.

All issues and then some that teachers have brought up here.

Team this with the inability for any planning or autonomy and its a recipe for disaster. Is there no proper process to escalate issues that teachers have?

(And I don't mean sending kids home to whinge at their parents).

One things for sure, she's not alone in her dissatisfaction at her workplace. Time and time again teachers on this thread have said how bad things are.

teachinggal123 · 26-07-2020 07:50PM

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

A lot of teachers have complained about their working environments on this thread alone.

One things for sure, she's not alone in her dissatisfaction at her workplace. Time and time again teachers on this thread have said how bad things are.

But I seem to be alone in criticising my profession. And that’s why I’m getting this passive-aggressive kind of reply from fellow teachers. Even though many posters on this thread are saying the same as me.

teachinggal123 · 26-07-2020 07:52PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Do you want me to get my violin now or later?

I’ve reported this post as the mod asked this to be stopped. I can only assume you are trying to drag the thread off topic further by goading me to reply.

The mod is correct ... remember the thread title. Back on topic please.

Jim_Hodge · 26-07-2020 07:54PM

teachinggal123 wrote: »

But I seem to be alone in criticising my profession. And that’s why I’m getting this passive-aggressive kind of reply from fellow teachers. Even though many posters on this thread are saying the same as me.

Are they agreeing or disagreeing with you?. Personally it sounds like you think everybody's out of step except yourself.

teachinggal123 · 26-07-2020 07:56PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Are they agreeing or disagreeing with you?. Personally it sounds like you think everybody's out of step except yourself.

The teachers are disagreeing with me.

I can see a number of parents who are agreeing with me about primary schools.

Smacruairi · 26-07-2020 07:58PM

teachinggal123 wrote: »

The teachers are disagreeing with me.

I can see a number of parents who are agreeing with me about primary schools.

So nothing again to add to the thread other than your own personal tilt at windmills. Grand so.

am_zarathustra · 26-07-2020 07:58PM

Getting summer works funding is difficult, this is where you might be able to get the capital to do works. Even if you are approved it takes too long and by the time you go through the tendering process you'd be very lucky to get the "summer" work done before Christmas. It's very frustrating. Basically there is nothing a classroom teacher can do, it's up to management to apply for these and organise then unless you are in an ETB, which brings its own issues.

I agree, its mad. Most primary schools that haven't been built in the last 20 years would not be habitable under the PRTB. We wouldn't let pubs, cafes, cinemas open in anywhere near the state we allow schools to be in. It's quite jarring when you go to other countries and see their schools. Having been to a few in Germany I can tell you they will have no problems reopening.

wirelessdude01 · 26-07-2020 08:01PM

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

A lot of teachers have complained about their working environments on this thread alone.

I have asked is there no way to escalate working in such shoddy conditions some of which don't belong in a supposed modern society (I didn't get an answer to that question).

No heating, no warm water, mould, damp, overcrowding, no ventilation, outdated technology and equipment (it reads like a PRTB case). Not enough resources, too many students, not enough colleague support.

All issues and then some that teachers have brought up here.

Team this with the inability for any planning or autonomy and its a recipe for disaster. Is there no proper process to escalate issues that teachers have?

(And I don't mean sending kids home to whinge at their parents).

One things for sure, she's not alone in her dissatisfaction at her workplace. Time and time again teachers on this thread have said how bad things are.

Most of us complain about the state of our buildings, the lack of proper and adequate funding to back up and resource the relentless strategies thrown at us by various groups and how badly the department treat us.

Constantly attacking your colleagues is a totally different tale. Life is for living. The poster in question really does need to question whether living such a miserable existence in their workplace is worth the money. I've previously told the story on here of having subbed in a school where there was a permanent job going. I didn't apply for it as I valued my well-being and self-esteem more than money.

Sometimes people need to realise that it's better to have a fresh start away from a toxic environment. This poster doesn't paint the school where they work in a very good light if the picture presented is true.

Smacruairi · 26-07-2020 08:05PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Most of us complain about the state of our buildings, the lack of proper and adequate funding to back up and resource the relentless strategies thrown at us by various groups and how badly the department treat us.

Constantly attacking your colleagues is a totally different tale. Life is for living. The poster in question really does need to question whether living such a miserable existence in their workplace is worth the money. I've previously told the story on here of having subbed in a school where there was a permanent job going. I didn't apply for it as I valued my well-being and self-esteem more than money.

Sometimes people need to realise that it's better to have a fresh start away from a toxic environment. This poster doesn't paint the school where they work in a very good light if the picture presented is true.

Agreed, and then also throws around the term bullying when they are rebuffed in their opinion, which again, completely derails the thread. When the guidelines are released tomorrow (please god!) heres hoping we can bounce around a few constructive ideas, and pick holes in any nonsense which are contained, without having to engage and endure the bleating of a very very disenfranchised person set on harping on again.

teachinggal123 · 26-07-2020 08:09PM

People reading this thread now have an idea of what it’s like in a school staff room and how far teachers will go to defend bad practices and bad teachers.

And what happens to anyone giving an honest opinion and speaking up.

wirelessdude01 · 26-07-2020 08:16PM

teachinggal123 wrote: »

People reading this thread now have an idea of what it’s like in a school staff room and how far teachers will go to defend bad practices and bad teachers.

And what happens to anyone giving an honest opinion and speaking up.

You aren't in our staffroom where open and frank discussion is welcomed and often occurs. As a result we have what I would consider to have an excellent school with great comradery between the staff but can still have disagreements about things.

No workplace is an idyllic oasis of peace and harmony but no adult should not do their best. I know I couldn't work there and would seek a change.

History Queen · 26-07-2020 08:17PM

@Teachinggal,
Many teachers (myself included) have been critical of poor practice by colleagues . The difference is we have done our best for our students. You, by your own admission have no.t Then you place yourself as some sort of evangelical whistleblower with a victim complex to boot. That is very hard to swallow from those of us that tried our bloody best for our students in difficult circumstances. Whatever your issues with your school genuinely you should do something about it if it affects you this much. As a previous poster said life is too short.

Best wishes to everyone waiting on the announcement tomorrow, all we can hope for is the best of a bad situation and hopefully the vast majority of what is announced will be acceptable and the rest workable.

deckie66 · 26-07-2020 08:18PM

has anyone heard any reports of TY not going ahead in some schools and thereby freeing up classroom space ?

teachinggal123 · 26-07-2020 08:18PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

You aren't in our staffroom where open and frank discussion is welcomed and often occurs. As a result we have what I would consider to have an excellent school with great comradery between the staff but can still have disagreements about things.

No workplace is an idyllic oasis of peace and harmony but no adult should not do their best. I know I couldn't work there and would seek a change.

Really?

People can read your replies to me and male up their own mind.

Jim_Hodge · 26-07-2020 08:21PM

teachinggal123 wrote: »

Really?

People can read your replies to me and male up their own mind.

Can we move on?

How about discussing how schools will reopen, as it's the thread topic. This self obsessed repetition is depressing.

timmy_mallet · 26-07-2020 08:22PM

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

That’s true I forgot about the after-schools service; that’s a minefield in itself as it consists of the mixing of all classes& even different schools

Any thoughts on the bus, siblings, gaa, football, etc?

Jim_Hodge · 26-07-2020 08:23PM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Any thoughts on the bus, siblings, gaa, football, etc?

Bus transport is going to be a huge issue.

mirrorwall14 · 26-07-2020 08:24PM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Any thoughts on the bus, siblings, gaa, football, etc?

I think one poster said he’d been let go or a neighbour bus driver was let go?

I’m concerned about school choir. I’ve signed up to a webinar by sing Ireland on Thursday night and hoping for more feedback. There’s talk of a 5m square per singer

wirelessdude01 · 26-07-2020 08:26PM

teachinggal123 wrote: »

Really?

People can read your replies to me and male up their own mind.

Make up their minds about what exactly?

Going to guess that you never worked in the private sector so where people would willingly setup and sabotage colleagues to get promotions over them. Now that really is dog eat dog.

Honestly I really do hope that you consider looking elsewhere for a temporary job and build up your panel rights. Such an existence in your school isn't one that I could stick. One where you seem to be in constant conflict with both management and colleagues and also one where you claim that you are stopped from doing your job. I know that I couldn't survive in such a school. Consider your longtime wellness and well-being.

wirelessdude01 · 26-07-2020 08:28PM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Any thoughts on the bus, siblings, gaa, football, etc?

I was talking to a bus driver today and he said that they had been unofficially told that there are to be no school buses until at least January '21.

Newbie20 · 26-07-2020 08:29PM

Everyone just needs to ignore Teachinggals sad efforts at getting a rise. She clearly isn’t a teacher at all, that has been obvious for a long time. Just ignore.

lulublue22 · 26-07-2020 08:31PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

I was talking to a bus driver today and he said that they had been unofficially told that there are to be no school buses until at least January '21.

That will effect a lot of students. If it turns out to be the case.

wirelessdude01 · 26-07-2020 08:33PM

lulublue22 wrote: »

That will effect a lot of students.

A parent from my school who will have a child moving to secondary told me today as well that the secondary school has hinted at the same. No bus eireann school routes will run.

Ten of Swords · 26-07-2020 08:34PM

Back on topic - How will schools be able to go back in September?

Thread is getting wrecked by off topic posts, next steps will be threadbans with no further warnings

timmy_mallet · 26-07-2020 08:34PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

I was talking to a bus driver today and he said that they had been unofficially told that there are to be no school buses until at least January '21.

Yeah, I mean, again, everyone is covering their ar$es, what is January going to bring? Bigger busses or less covid? It's a complete charade.

am_zarathustra · 26-07-2020 08:34PM

teachinggal123 wrote: »

People reading this thread now have an idea of what it’s like in a school staff room and how far teachers will go to defend bad practices and bad teachers.

And what happens to anyone giving an honest opinion and speaking up.

We have very open conversations in our staffroom. I and others have voluntarily had many struggling teachers observe classes and have also offered to Team Teach on top of our timetables to help new staff. I would consider this good professional practice. As a result, when someone is struggling, in general or with a group, they know help is available in a non judgmental way. Not everyone on staff observes this all the time but for the most part they do. Many of us would go out of our way to support new staff and to offer resources, advice or just someone to talk to. We have had a teacher start the section 21 process, no one defended their practice as it was poor and they refused all available help. This is what a professional workplace looks like

timmy_mallet · 26-07-2020 08:36PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Bus transport is going to be a huge issue.

Yep. It is. Most public transport too. The Dart is full by Killiney heading north w/o covid. When schools are back, it's not going to work. Same with the Luas, squeeze yerself on at Ballaly heading into town.

Icantthinkof1 · 26-07-2020 08:38PM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Any thoughts on the bus, siblings, gaa, football, etc?

School buses are rumoured to not be running next year. We live close to our schools so we can walk. If the rumours are true it’ll be very tough on a lot of students

Siblings; I am hoping that classes will be ran in smaller groups so instead of my children having daily contact with over 90 children this number would therefore be somewhat reduced

Gaa and football are optional

How will schools be able to go back in September?

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