Masks

NotMOL · 22-07-2020 07:07PM

dalyboy wrote: »

Wrong. The reason the Asian countries wear masks is because of the smog in their cities. I’ve been in Asia and they are very polluted alright. The reason they wear masks is NOT for virus protection.

Well there is several reasons people wear masks in Asia but I would say the main reason girls wear them there is because they don't need to do their makeup if they use a mask.

The mask also keeps your face warm in the winter months, a lot of people will wear a mask when they feel sick and as you say one of the main reasons people wear masks is because of pollution.

The pollution here in Ireland might not be as bad as some Chinese cities but for example in Dublin the pollution is often quite high

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/dublin-air-pollution-breaching-eu-limits-epa-warns-1.3950575#:~:text=Increased%20levels%20of%20nitrogen%20dioxide,capital%20can%20have%20health%20effects&text=Many%20areas%20of%20Dublin%20are,according%20to%20an%20EPA%20warning.

NotMOL · 22-07-2020 07:13PM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Yes, just look at all those masks at a Japanese baseball game.

And take a look at same at the Beijing Olympics.

I don't know about the Japanese picture but the one from the Beijing Olympics is from August....The heat in Beijing in the summer is crazy so people will not wear a mask in summer if they don't need to. The reason I say they don't need to is because the common cold and flu are more of winter illnesses.

If you were to look at events from the winter I bet you would see a lot more masks.

Away With The Fairies · 22-07-2020 07:37PM

Yes: valved

Saw someone walking around Tesco today holding their face mask in their hand. That's not the place for masks.

fr336 · 22-07-2020 07:46PM

Yes: surgical

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Saw someone walking around Tesco today holding their face mask in their hand. That's not the place for masks.

Seen people on a bus with the mask on their chin - they use the mask to get on the bus, then basically take it off. Then when they put it on their mouth and nose, they're transferring any germs on their face straight to there and are then breathing it all in perfectly. I just despair.

rejkin · 22-07-2020 07:55PM

Yes: surgical

Where's the best place to buy a three ply washable mask?

Galwayguy35 · 22-07-2020 08:32PM

rejkin wrote: »

Where's the best place to buy a three ply washable mask?

They should have them in any chemist shop.

893bet · 22-07-2020 08:37PM

Was in golden island shopping centre in Athlone earlier and I would say it was 70 percent wearing masks in the open area. In pennies I think there was 100 percent wearing masks.

Assetbacked · 22-07-2020 08:51PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Extremely low compared to where? Ireland has had 1,753 deaths in a population of just under 5m. Hong Kong has had 14 deaths in a population of 7.5m, Vietnam with 0 deaths and a population of 95m, Taiwan 7 deaths with a population of 24m, South Korea 297 deaths with 51m people, etc.

If you think masks are a nonsense, why have those countries had such better results (compared to Ireland) with less stringent lockdowns?

Our issue wasn't the fact people weren't wearing masks. Our issue was the incompetent NPHET made a massive blunder with care/nursing/residential homes. That's the reason our numbers appear to be not great.

I say appear as we know we count a death "with" covid as a covid death which muddies the waters as to whether covid was actually that bad in Ireland, but the median and mean age of deaths (82 and 84) adds another qualification to the claim our death numbers appear to be high.

All our progress to date has been in the context of no big push on masks so I don't see why there is a big push for them now, there is no data evidencing a need for them currently.

GazzaL · 22-07-2020 09:01PM

fr336 wrote: »

Seen people on a bus with the mask on their chin - they use the mask to get on the bus, then basically take it off. Then when they put it on their mouth and nose, they're transferring any germs on their face straight to there and are then breathing it all in perfectly. I just despair.

I got lambasted by some on here for saying that there are loads of people that don't wear masks properly, and therefore are putting themselves and others at higher risk. The social distancing and good hygiene messages are also being lost with all the noise about masks.

Seanergy · 22-07-2020 09:02PM

Yes: valved

Assetbacked wrote: »

Our issue wasn't the fact people weren't wearing masks. Our issue was the incompetent NPHET made a massive blunder with care/nursing/residential homes. That's the reason our numbers appear to be not great.

I say appear as we know we count a death "with" covid as a covid death which muddies the waters as to whether covid was actually that bad in Ireland, but the median and mean age of deaths (82 and 84) adds another qualification to the claim our death numbers appear to be high.

All our progress to date has been in the context of no big push on masks so I don't see why there is a big push for them now, there is no data evidencing a need for them currently.

Your talking through your backasset. It was HSE mask policy that lead to the horrific numbers in our nursing homes.

odyssey06 · 22-07-2020 09:03PM

Assetbacked wrote: »

Our issue wasn't the fact people weren't wearing masks. Our issue was the incompetent NPHET made a massive blunder with care/nursing/residential homes. That's the reason our numbers appear to be not great.
I say appear as we know we count a death "with" covid as a covid death which muddies the waters as to whether covid was actually that bad in Ireland, but the median and mean age of deaths (82 and 84) adds another qualification to the claim our death numbers appear to be high.
All our progress to date has been in the context of no big push on masks so I don't see why there is a big push for them now, there is no data evidencing a need for them currently.

Its not a qualification of any sort. Someone who dies over 80 is still a death.
Are you excluding deaths of over 80s in other countries too?
The excess mortality estimate for covid was 1300+.
Our death number was high.

Our progress to date has involved measures that cannot be sustained indefinitely. We need other measures to reduce the risk and lower the R factor as we lift and loosen those measures.
There is evidence from other jurisdictions that masks can play a role in that.

Assetbacked · 22-07-2020 09:11PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Seanergy wrote: »

Your talking through your backasset. It was HSE mask policy that lead to the horrific numbers in our nursing homes.

Source?

Assetbacked · 22-07-2020 09:14PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

odyssey06 wrote: »

Its not a qualification of any sort. Someone who dies over 80 is still a death.
Are you excluding deaths of over 80s in other countries too?
The excess mortality estimate for covid was 1300+.
Our death number was high.

Our progress to date has involved measures that cannot be sustained indefinitely. We need other measures to reduce the risk and lower the R factor as we lift and loosen those measures.
There is evidence from other jurisdictions that masks can play a role in that.

Lower the R number? At such low cases it's too volatile to rely on at the moment.

Masks are part of a whole raft of measures which can assist with quashing the spread and will of course form part of a new phase of restrictions since lockdown has had its day, but, as with lockdown, there is only a limited time they can be strongly advised as compliance drops if the numbers are very low. Right now we have data showing pretty much minimal concern about covid (hospital capacity being the main one) in Ireland so it isn't the right time to be rolling them out.

xhomelezz · 22-07-2020 09:21PM

Yes: valved

GazzaL wrote: »

I got lambasted by some on here for saying that there are loads of people that don't wear masks properly, and therefore are putting themselves and others at higher risk. The social distancing and good hygiene messages are also being lost with all the noise about masks.

There was not a single post here suggesting to stop washing hands, because mask will save you. Don't remember reading anything like that in papers. HSE website doesn't say anything like that either. So what are you on about all the time? People who are not able to use masks properly or put them on just to get on the bus and take them off after they sit down, they hardly follow the other main measures either. But keep running your little crusade against masks. If government and NPHET tells you oh hey this mask works 100%, you'll be the first one to slap it on your face. Unfortunately with this virus nothing is 100%. 2 metres distance is not bulletproof, washing hands is not bulletproof, coughing into your sleeve is not bulletproof. All these things are here to minimise risk of catching it. And masks are part of it.

xhomelezz · 22-07-2020 09:28PM

Yes: valved

Assetbacked wrote: »

Source?

As far as I know, employees there were told not to wear PPE, same in the hospitals. At least at the start.

Seanergy · 22-07-2020 09:31PM

Yes: valved

Assetbacked wrote: »

Right now we have data showing pretty much minimal concern about covid (hospital capacity being the main one) in Ireland so it isn't the right time to be rolling them out.

This data?

Seanergy · 22-07-2020 09:56PM

Yes: valved

Assetbacked wrote: »

Source?

odyssey06 · 22-07-2020 10:02PM

Pity there is no way to stickie that graph on such a long thread...
Tragic so many deaths could have been avoided.

Seanergy · 22-07-2020 10:03PM

Yes: valved

The essential brace by fixthemask is on kickstarter.

Looks pretty good.

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Assetbacked · 22-07-2020 10:18PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Seanergy wrote: »

This data?

No, not a dubious opinion poll. An actual data site;

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

I don't see any numbers showing cause for widespread public concern in Ireland currently.

Assetbacked · 22-07-2020 10:20PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Seanergy wrote: »

I mean correlation is not causation but that is a decent enough graph however, I wonder if there's a death graph?

Martin567 · 22-07-2020 10:44PM

No: other

Seanergy wrote: »

The essential brace by fixthemask is on kickstarter.

Looks pretty good.

They certainly don't 'look' good! Not going to comment in any other way about mask usage but I find it hard to believe anyone could think they look good.

Assetbacked · 22-07-2020 10:45PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Martin567 wrote: »

They certainly don't 'look' good! Not going to comment in any other way about mask usage but I find it hard to believe anyone could think they look good.

That contraption presumably is for healthcare staff and not Joe public with his mask is what I am thinking from looking at it.

larchielads · 22-07-2020 11:15PM

Lads ands lassies is it compulsory to wear a mask in shops etc. ? Been in loads of shops not wearin one and loads others not wearin em either. Is it just public transport or what? Does anyone have definitive answer?

madcabbage · 22-07-2020 11:27PM

Yes: surgical

larchielads wrote: »

Lads ands lassies is it compulsory to wear a mask in shops etc. ? Been in loads of shops not wearin one and loads others not wearin em either. Is it just public transport or what? Does anyone have definitive answer?

No its not compulsory, there is no law on the matter. There is no legislation brought forward but probably will at some point in the coming days or weeks.

worlds goodest teecher · 22-07-2020 11:41PM

Exactly what type of mask is being recommended to wear right now in public. I was using a washable face covering. Are we still being advised to save the disposable surgical mask for healthcare workers?

23-07-2020 07:12AM

No: I don't care enough

worlds goodest teecher wrote: »

Exactly what type of mask is being recommended to wear right now in public.

Pretty much anything would work if it stops larger moisture from escaping your face. Common Fabrics are generally good enough.

This video combining Schlieren Imagining with High Speed camera technology should show you how and why masks work and answer your question:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Tp0zB904Mc

harr · 23-07-2020 07:42AM

larchielads wrote: »

Lads ands lassies is it compulsory to wear a mask in shops etc. ? Been in loads of shops not wearin one and loads others not wearin em either. Is it just public transport or what? Does anyone have definitive answer?

It’s mandatory in all shops and shopping centres since last Monday the amendment to the current law hasn’t been drawn up yet but will be in probably next week.
In reality all shops should be asking people to mask up .
So yes it’s mandatory but you can’t face legal issues yet for not wearing one .

odyssey06 · 23-07-2020 08:05AM

harr wrote: »

It’s mandatory in all shops and shopping centres since last Monday the amendment to the current law hasn’t been drawn up yet but will be in probably next week.
In reality all shops should be asking people to mask up .
So yes it’s mandatory but you can’t face legal issues yet for not wearing one .

And, more immediately, the shop doesn't have to let you in or serve you without one, if they are being strict about it.

Hoboo · 23-07-2020 08:54AM

No: other

Seanergy wrote: »

The essential brace by fixthemask is on kickstarter.

Looks pretty good.

That's gotta be a piss take. Ear saver does the same job without looking like a muzzle.

It's like a plastic 6 pack ring

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