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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #8672
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,130 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    road_high wrote: »
    How convenient! Couldn’t Leo chair that one

    If you don't think the schools and colleges are being considered in this decision making delay, well I think they are. And this is a co ordinated scheme to get them back before families perhaps spike the numbers and/or infect others.

    Personally I think that's the plan.

    Anyway most things are open now anyway, but pubs are very problematic for spread, as is potentially bringing it back from abroad.


  • #8673
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,459 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    If you don't think the schools and colleges are being considered in this decision making delay, well I think they are. And this is a co ordinated scheme to get them back before families perhaps spike the numbers and/or infect others.

    Personally I think that's the plan.

    Anyway most things are open now anyway, but pubs are very problematic for spread, as is potentially bringing it back from abroad.

    This is nothing to do with schools. Martin in Brussels so they've pulled the meeting. Likely to be Thursday appearently but thats TBC


  • #8674
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,459 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    road_high wrote: »
    How convenient! Couldn’t Leo chair that one

    Must want to do it himself.
    Fairly sure he'd have to have some sort of presence at it be it by phone or in person.


  • #8675
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Must want to do it himself.
    Fairly sure he'd have to have some sort of presence at it be it by phone or in person.

    The biggest Cabinet decision in our history was pretty much done by phone - the bank guarantee. It suits Govt to kick the can down the road on this one.


  • #8676
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,130 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    This is nothing to do with schools. Martin in Brussels so they've pulled the meeting. Likely to be Thursday appearently but thats TBC

    I think it very much is myself, not disputing your view either BTW.

    The issue of funding from EU is a different matter. Every EU country has freedom to either open up or close things down, or delay things, or insist on masks etc.

    We'll see.


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  • #8677
    brendanwalsh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭brendanwalsh


    The travel quarantine is not being policed at all.

    My friend came home from Spain and filled in a Mickey Mouse form and was in the pub later that evening.

    Total joke


  • #8678
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,283 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    brendanwalsh wrote: »
    The travel quarantine is not being policed at all.

    My friend came home from Spain and filled in a Mickey Mouse form and was in the pub later that evening.

    Total joke

    Did you call you friend out on it? Pretty sh1tty thing for them to do, while I’m sure they took precautions, it’s still coming through a travel hub and putting others at risk.


  • #8679
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,130 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    brendanwalsh wrote: »
    The travel quarantine is not being policed at all.

    My friend came home from Spain and filled in a Mickey Mouse form and was in the pub later that evening.

    Total joke

    That would MM from FF lol.

    Shambles from day one in a lot of ways. But let's see what happens going forward.


  • #8680
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,878 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    The Government know the costs of all this, and are acting accordingly.

    From 2008 to date everyone thought we would be bankrupt and would never ever recover. But we did and were doing really well until Covid.

    We will recover again. The whole world is not going to bankrupt each other. Well that's what's keeping me going, we are not alone in this like the awful times when the IMF came in and NAMA and paycuts and doom and gloom.

    Let's hope for stability, but in fairness I think caution is the way to go now. A few more weeks of restrictions, and slowly opening up sounds sensible to me. But hello to those who disagree with me, I don't mind it's a free country (well apart from the rules lol), so let's be stricter than others, it is not a competition. It is for the good of us all.

    Having said that I think FF made a balls of it so far, so I'm hoping their message will be clear and concise when they make decisions on Green lanes etc. and opening up of pubs.

    And I also think opening schools in late Aug/Sep is their goal without a spike from those visiting pubs and going abroad. I'm just guessing.

    Jesus - read a paper or something before spouting your clappy-seal ****e on here - we had nearly €200bn of debt still on the books from the last recession.


  • #8681
    FishOnABike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    brendanwalsh wrote: »
    The travel quarantine is not being policed at all.

    My friend came home from Spain and filled in a Mickey Mouse form and was in the pub later that evening.

    Total joke

    And yet will probably have the hypocrisy to complain that things aren't opening up quick enough, totally blind to the fact that lack of personal responsibility like their's is what will slow down reopening things or even close them down again.


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  • #8682
    Diarmuid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭Diarmuid


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    Talk about ironic.... Our approach from 2nd week of March was to borrow, keep borrowing, and now look at us, begging EU to give out "grants". Open up the damn country fully - and get on with life. We have 0.000001% infection rate in Ireland per day, maybe its 0.0000001% ... useless.

    It's incredible. "You French, Germans and Dutch need to get back to work to pay for us to hide at home under the covers"


  • #8683
    dabestman1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭dabestman1


    brendanwalsh wrote: »
    The travel quarantine is not being policed at all.

    My friend came home from Spain and filled in a Mickey Mouse form and was in the pub later that evening.

    Total joke
    did you say anthing to your friend or did you him/her a drink. Typical.
    Personal responability.


  • #8684
    snowcat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭snowcat


    So the results of the antibody tests are in from Ireland. About 5% of us have had the Covid. 1753 deaths. Mortality rate of .03%.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-ireland-has-no-significant-herd-immunity-study-shows-1.4308216


  • #8685
    Diarmuid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭Diarmuid


    snowcat wrote: »
    So the results of the antibody tests are in from Ireland. About 5% of us have had the Covid. 1753 deaths. Mortality rate of .03%.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-ireland-has-no-significant-herd-immunity-study-shows-1.4308216

    France off the Green list yet in cities like Nice have 1.3% have had it, a fraction of Ireland. All the population were eligible for testing and 53,000 people took up the offer
    https://www.francebleu.fr/infos/sante-sciences/campagne-de-depistage-a-nice-1-3-des-53-000-habitants-volontaires-testes-positifs-au-covid-19-1594023678


  • #8686
    Seweryn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,506 ✭✭✭Seweryn


    snowcat wrote: »
    So the results of the antibody tests are in from Ireland. About 5% of us have had the Covid. 1753 deaths. Mortality rate of .03%.
    These 1700 deaths are well overstated. Death statistics show that clearly and even officially they say they may have overestimated the Cov. deaths. If you deduct the Cov. deaths from the statistics the gap to the previous year's average is just too large, the numbers make no sense TBH.


  • #8687
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,570 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    The last bust disgraceful as it was , will be far more forgiveable than the choice of bust they are opting for this time. I agree with the position of the dutch and finnish etc...


  • #8688
    TaurenDruid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,275 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    Diarmuid wrote: »
    France off the Green list yet in cities like Nice have 1.3% have had it, a fraction of Ireland. All the population were eligible for testing and 53,000 people took up the offer
    https://www.francebleu.fr/infos/sante-sciences/campagne-de-depistage-a-nice-1-3-des-53-000-habitants-volontaires-testes-positifs-au-covid-19-1594023678

    Oh! Got a link to the Green List handy?

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  • #8689
    TaurenDruid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,275 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    road_high wrote: »
    Indeed...”worried” about the crowds while there themselves. You couldnt make it up. These are the kind of hyper-curtain twitchers driving and driving new restrictions and new hysteria

    You saw the bit where they arrived, saw the crowds, and so they left after a few minutes, no?

    Evidently you can make up what you want to think you've read...

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  • #8690
    TaurenDruid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,275 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    snowcat wrote: »
    So the results of the antibody tests are in from Ireland. About 5% of us have had the Covid. 1753 deaths. Mortality rate of .03%.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-ireland-has-no-significant-herd-immunity-study-shows-1.4308216

    Which actually means: "...there is a very large susceptible population there, and that is one of the reasons why we have to be so careful with moving through the reopening phases,” he said. “Because so many people have not had the infection and if the virus kicks off again, it will transmit very readily to people purely because there is no significant level of population immunity at this point.”

    and

    "They show the State is still some way off achieving herd immunity, where 60-90 per cent of population become immune to a virus to halt it spreading."

    and that's all assuming that it's a once-and-immune deal.

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  • #8691
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,878 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    TaurenDruid wrote: »
    You saw the bit where they arrived, saw the crowds, and so they left after a few minutes, no?

    Evidently you can make up what you want to think you've read...

    Ah come on - has to be up there as one of the most unintentionally hilarious posts since Covid kicked off.

    It has all the ingredients, from arriving at a popular visitor site on a sunny weekend, the pompous and righteous indignation of discovering others were doing the same right through to the hysterical overreaction of phoning the Guards.

    The lack of self-awareness was comedy gold


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  • #8692
    snowcat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭snowcat


    TaurenDruid wrote: »
    Which actually means: "...there is a very large susceptible population there, and that is one of the reasons why we have to be so careful with moving through the reopening phases,” he said. “Because so many people have not had the infection and if the virus kicks off again, it will transmit very readily to people purely because there is no significant level of population immunity at this point.”

    and

    "They show the State is still some way off achieving herd immunity, where 60-90 per cent of population become immune to a virus to halt it spreading."

    and that's all assuming that it's a once-and-immune deal.

    Very arrogant telling people what the article means. People can draw their own conclusions from the article.


  • #8693
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,878 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    snowcat wrote: »
    So the results of the antibody tests are in from Ireland. About 5% of us have had the Covid. 1753 deaths. Mortality rate of .03%.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-ireland-has-no-significant-herd-immunity-study-shows-1.4308216

    Exposes the central contradiction at the heart of the lockdown-narrative.

    The cases are so low because we've stayed in lockdown and we have to stay in lockdown because the cases are so low.

    It's been obvious from the the start that we were headed for a paralysis and now we're stuck in a rut with the politicians afraid to make any decision.

    The lockdown was supposed to buy us a few weeks of time and here we sit months later with a bunch of overpaid gombeens kicking the can down the road and adding billions to our debt because they're terrified of being labeled 'granny-killers' on twitter.


  • #8694
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    snowcat wrote: »
    So the results of the antibody tests are in from Ireland. About 5% of us have had the Covid. 1753 deaths. Mortality rate of .03%.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-ireland-has-no-significant-herd-immunity-study-shows-1.4308216

    0.03% of the entire population. 0.7% of those infected - in line with studies from other countries


  • #8695
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,012 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    TaurenDruid wrote: »
    You saw the bit where they arrived, saw the crowds, and so they left after a few minutes, no?

    You have to admit there is a certain amount of tragic irony there. Goes to a popular location, starts complaining that too many other people had gone to that same popular location! Just what did he think he was going to find when he left the house, deserted gardens?

    Just like people complaining about the crowds in Glendalough and Sally gap. We shut down the country, all the bars, a lot of the cafes, all the activity centres, etc etc, then we are shocked that people went to the only places they still could. Again, the **** did you think would happen? That everybody else would hide under their beds and that a few individuals would be the only ones to get out of the house?

    As for the complaint that a crowd in the Japanese gardens negates the social distancing measures taken elsewhere, welcome to the inherent problem with the entire social distancing concept.


  • #8696
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    0.03% of the entire population. 0.7% of those infected - in line with studies from other countries

    The bit that got me was they are disappointed at the low level. These people have the attitude that every silver lining has a cloud - if we keep considering their views is isolation we will be causing untold and unnecessary (but foreseen) damage to society and the economy for years to come.


  • #8697
    TaurenDruid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,275 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    snowcat wrote: »
    Very arrogant telling people what the article means. People can draw their own conclusions from the article.

    Dude. I quoted from the article.

    You were the one adding in the number of deaths and mortality rate, clearly implying there's been a huge overreaction.

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  • #8698
    TaurenDruid
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    bucketybuck wrote: »
    You have to admit there is a certain amount of tragic irony there. Goes to a popular location, starts complaining that too many other people had gone to that same popular location! Just what did he think he was going to find when he left the house, deserted gardens?

    I've never been to the Japanese Gardens or National Stud, so I've no idea what they're like. I do know that for a day out recently, my family booked a slot in Newbridge House and Farm, which gave us an arrival time. We arrived to a fairly full car park on a gloriously sunny day, but groups were properly socially distanced in the parkland. A short queue at the house itself, we checked in and they already had our contact tracing details, and the farm and gardens were absolutely fine. Lots of people, but no crowding, and lots of social distancing.

    So it is perfectly possible to do this properly and safely.

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  • #8699
    hamburgham
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    Seweryn wrote: »
    These 1700 deaths are well overstated. Death statistics show that clearly and even officially they say they may have overestimated the Cov. deaths. If you deduct the Cov. deaths from the statistics the gap to the previous year's average is just too large, the numbers make no sense TBH.


    Yes,the CSO and HIQA independently of each other both calculated the true figure to be about 1100 (I can't remember exactly) but they both came to the same figure. It's been pretty much ignored.

    I can't believe (well I can actually) there was no furore when they stoped giving the mean and median age of those who died at the daily conferences. That was such blatant 'shaping of the narrative' as they say these days.


  • #8700
    Jim Root
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 487 ✭✭Jim Root


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It's nice to see this being acknowledged. There's c. 20,000 full-time musicians, entertainers and techs in Ireland who were first out and will be last to return. These months of lockdown are usually peak season, but most of us haven't done a gig since early March. Just an unfathomable reality. Also, for me, it's not about pubs. I do about 12 pub gigs per year at this stage of my career.

    I was due to start back in the first weekend of August with a couple of small weddings. However, the latest delay in easing of restrictions has quashed that. As a result, other events in late August and September are now being postponed or cancelled given the uncertainty around our progress against Covid and the possibility of further setbacks.

    Personally, I've been out of work for so long now* and have endured so much that I don't want the last 4 months to be in vain. If another month of caution means that we can get back to 'normality' sooner, I'm willing to take that.

    *I recently took up another temporary job on the lowest rung of the ladder in a factory. It's grand to be at something and have a purpose again, but I've been in music and events for 20 years now, that's my strength and the industry where I'm well established and have put a lot of effort and many hours into. I also love my job and the thoughts of never doing it again would be a huge blow to my life and my plans. I was always extra careful not to injure my limbs as this would be the one thing which could ruin my career. Guess I never accounted for a pandemic :pac:

    Fair play, good attitude to have. Hope it works out well for you.


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  • #8701
    [Deleted User]
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    Diarmuid wrote: »
    France off the Green list yet in cities like Nice have 1.3% have had it, a fraction of Ireland. All the population were eligible for testing and 53,000 people took up the offer
    https://www.francebleu.fr/infos/sante-sciences/campagne-de-depistage-a-nice-1-3-des-53-000-habitants-volontaires-testes-positifs-au-covid-19-1594023678

    Its not the proportion of people who have had the virus that determines who is on the green list, but the proportion who currently have it.


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