Masks

weldoninhio · 19-07-2020 01:17PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

odyssey06 wrote: »

We didnt... we lost well over a thousand people here.

Do people from nursing homes often visit supermarkets??

odyssey06 · 19-07-2020 01:36PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Do people from nursing homes often visit supermarkets??

People from nursing homes visit supermarkets - residents maybe not, but staff sure do.
If your close contacts visit a supermarket you do too.
That's the nature of infectious diseases.

Jim_Hodge · 19-07-2020 01:50PM

Yes: homemade

weldoninhio wrote: »

Do people from nursing homes often visit supermarkets??

You really don't get how infection works, do you?

khalessi · 19-07-2020 02:07PM

Yes: surgical

weldoninhio wrote: »

Do people from nursing homes often visit supermarkets??

Some do depending on the nursing home, they go on supervised trips. But then there are staff and visitors and prior to lockdown the visitors would take residents to shops. This did not just affect nursing homes but also residencies for learning disabled, who go swimming, to the cinema, to work, shopping etc.

Elmer Blooker · 19-07-2020 02:15PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

You really don't get how infection works, do you?

Do you? Care homes are full of people with dementia who usually pass away from pneumonia in the end, a staff member could come into work with a barely noticeable common cold but for someone with a very weak immune system it could and often is lethal as an infection develops into pneumonia.
There has always been viruses around and always will be and staff must come into work. There is no alternative.

Tork · 19-07-2020 02:19PM

Yes: to protect others

So if this care worker develops Coronavirus, their ability to infect others diminishes once they leave work?

odyssey06 · 19-07-2020 02:23PM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Do you? Care homes are full of people with dementia who usually pass away from pneumonia in the end, a staff member could come into work with a barely noticeable common cold but for someone with a very weak immune system it could and often is lethal as an infection develops into pneumonia.
There has always been viruses around and always will be and staff must come into work. There is no alternative.

You'll have to refer us to this imaginary post you are replying to where someone said this about nursing home staff.

Strumms · 19-07-2020 02:23PM

No: other

Globally, about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 cases have died. By comparison, seasonal flu generally kills far fewer than 1% of those infected..

Source : WHO

Jim_Hodge · 19-07-2020 02:24PM

Yes: homemade

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Do you? Care homes are full of people with dementia who usually pass away from pneumonia in the end, a staff member could come into work with a barely noticeable common cold but for someone with a very weak immune system it could and often is lethal as an infection develops into pneumonia.
There has always been viruses around and always will be and staff must come into work. There is no alternative.

Of course I do and I don't disagree with you but nursing homes can certainly be affected by infection circulating elsewhere. That's the whole point,

Elmer Blooker · 19-07-2020 02:30PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

You'll have to refer us to this imaginary post you are replying to where someone said this about nursing home staff.

If you are following the thread you may have noticed that nursing/care homes are being discussed today.

railer201 · 19-07-2020 02:32PM

Yes: valved

Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »

If the mask becomes a habit it will need to be a big mask.

Tork wrote: »

We'll have nun of that here

Less of the veiled threats please !

odyssey06 · 19-07-2020 02:34PM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

If you are following the thread you may have noticed that nursing/care homes are being discussed today.

Some very selective reading of the thread you must be doing so.
You must have missed my points on the topic then I posted today and instead you are responding to imaginary strawman such as "There has always been viruses around and always will be and staff must come into work. There is no alternative."
I have no idea what you're on about there or what it has to do with masks.
Can you find me the post on the thread where any one implied the contrary?

Jim_Hodge · 19-07-2020 02:34PM

Yes: homemade

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

If you are following the thread you may have noticed that nursing/care homes are being discussed today.

But you seem to have crossed the points over. Are you against masks in supermarkets because nursing home residents don't frequent them or do you agree that the nature of an infection means others will transfer said infection to those in nursing homes? I'm confused, as you seemed to say that's not the case on one hand and that it is on the other.

Overheal · 19-07-2020 02:56PM

No: I don't care enough

timmy_mallet wrote: »

any thoughts on it being almost identical to H1n1?

Let’s pretend I don’t already know that’s categorically false and now could you please explain how an influenza strain is “almost identical” to a coronavirus strain?

Wibbs · 19-07-2020 03:29PM

Yes: other

Overheal wrote: »

Let’s pretend I don’t already know that’s categorically false and now could you please explain how an influenza strain is “almost identical” to a coronavirus strain?

Anybody who compares tow very different viruses as the same can be safely regarded as not having a bog's notion about either.

Overheal · 19-07-2020 03:30PM

No: I don't care enough

Wibbs wrote: »

Anybody who compares tow very different viruses as the same can be safely regarded as not having a bog's notion about either.

Oh but like Willy Wonka (the good one) I’m dying to know how this plays out.

weldoninhio · 19-07-2020 03:35PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

khalessi wrote: »

Well originally there were not enough masks to go around and we were also on lockdown. Now we are mixing, the R number is going up qucker than expected and masks are plentiful, so wearing masks is better than lockdown

We aren’t being asked to wear any specification of mask. We are asked to wear a face covering. Any oul scarf will do. Very scientific

Overheal · 19-07-2020 03:44PM

No: I don't care enough

weldoninhio wrote: »

We aren’t being asked to wear any specification of mask. We are asked to wear a face covering. Any oul scarf will do. Very scientific

Because there aren’t millions of surgical or n95 masks to go around. The supply chain has been stretched thin and far and wide. You’d rather the government mandated an N95 or surgical grade mask for 8 million Irish with so few available already that they’re scrambling for ways to wash and reuse them? You’d have millions who would be completely stranded and hospitals with no access to these supplies. If you have trouble blowing out a candle with the scarf on it’s doing some good. Wear it and carry on.

xhomelezz · 19-07-2020 03:45PM

Yes: valved

There's plenty info on masks on this thread. Where to buy, how to make one you name it. Yet some still enjoying playing dumb.

weldoninhio · 19-07-2020 03:52PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Overheal wrote: »

Because there aren’t millions of surgical or n95 masks to go around. The supply chain has been stretched thin and far and wide. You’d rather the government mandated an N95 or surgical grade mask for 8 million Irish with so few available already that they’re scrambling for ways to wash and reuse them? You’d have millions who would be completely stranded and hospitals with no access to these supplies. If you have trouble blowing out a candle with the scarf on it’s doing some good. Wear it and carry on.

So there is absolutely zero specification on what should be worn. Any oul scarf will do once you cover your face and mouth. Sounds highly scientific, as I said.

Tork · 19-07-2020 03:53PM

Yes: to protect others

So you're going to find the most threadbare piece of cheesecloth, are you?

Allinall · 19-07-2020 03:57PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

So there is absolutely zero specification on what should be worn. Any oul scarf will do once you cover your face and mouth. Sounds highly scientific, as I said.

Why does it have to be scientific?

weldoninhio · 19-07-2020 03:59PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Allinall wrote: »

Why does it have to be scientific?

I’d imagine the virus is a certain size, there’s a certain specification of mask/face covering that contains its spread. Would you be happy to have a loved one going into an operating theatre followed by a doctor with a Man U scarf around his face??

setanta1984 · 19-07-2020 03:59PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

khalessi wrote: »

Well originally there were not enough masks to go around and we were also on lockdown. Now we are mixing, the R number is going up qucker than expected and masks are plentiful, so wearing masks is better than lockdown

By that logic we could have avoided having to do a complete societal lockdown as we did if everyone cut up an old t-shirt and put it on their face? That type of covering is deemed acceptable now.

Tork · 19-07-2020 04:00PM

Yes: to protect others

Melbourne is making them mandatory from Thursday and the're recomending masks (home-made or purchased) or a scarf. Something that will cover your nose and mouth. https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-melbourne-masks-to-be-mandatory-from-thursday/71aa26f5-405c-43b3-8486-60153d28a120#close

odyssey06 · 19-07-2020 04:07PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

So there is absolutely zero specification on what should be worn. Any oul scarf will do once you cover your face and mouth. Sounds highly scientific, as I said.

Why would they need to?

There's lot of scientific studies comparing the effectiveness of different kinds of face coverings. Some are more effective than others, but ehey all serve a purpose as long as they limit the droplets you produce.
That's the science.
You repeatedly ignore all the posts on this threads listing them.

When any science is applied, we have then to consider what materials are available to ordinary people, what can be understood and what can be enforced.
We applied distancing of 2 metres, not 1.967 metres or 2.12 metres.

The previous advice was to cough or sneeze into a tissue, or if you didn't have a tissue, to try to contain a cough or sneeze by suppressing it your elbow. They didn't specify what kind of tissue.
Cos they are givng people credit that they are not being deliberately idiotic or dumb about it.

Overheal · 19-07-2020 04:07PM

No: I don't care enough

weldoninhio wrote: »

So there is absolutely zero specification on what should be worn. Any oul scarf will do once you cover your face and mouth. Sounds highly scientific, as I said.

Whinge whinge.

Yes I’m sure if we had all the time in creation we could go and put a call out for research proposals, have universities bid on those, and conduct a thorough study into the effects of various types of woven masks, specify a study that lives up to the exacting and definitely not ethereal expectations of casual skeptics and then have that peer reviewed and have the studies replicated and it would all be very scientific but 3 years would have also elapsed.

Perhaps instead we can trust you to apply common sense and draw upon your already considerable knowledge of the general sciences to adapt to the current situation.

odyssey06 · 19-07-2020 04:09PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I’d imagine the virus is a certain size, there’s a certain specification of mask/face covering that contains its spread. Would you be happy to have a loved one going into an operating theatre followed by a doctor with a Man U scarf around his face??

I wouldn't be happy if someone started operating in a supermaket or on a Dublin Bus either.
That's why there are different standards for different settings.

Away With The Fairies · 19-07-2020 04:11PM

Yes: valved

weldoninhio wrote: »

I’d imagine the virus is a certain size, there’s a certain specification of mask/face covering that contains its spread. Would you be happy to have a loved one going into an operating theatre followed by a doctor with a Man U scarf around his face??

The virus is very small, it cannot move by itself, it hitches a ride on respiratory droplets and that's how it gets passed on between people. You block respiratory droplets from leaving an infected person and the virus doesn't get passed on. So masks and other face coverings are very helpful.

odyssey06 · 19-07-2020 04:12PM

setanta1984 wrote: »

By that logic we could have avoided having to do a complete societal lockdown as we did if everyone cut up an old t-shirt and put it on their face? That type of covering is deemed acceptable now.

Google Japan and avoiding lockdown and masks.
Masks and fave coverings are an effective weapon in the arsenal against the spread of respiratory.
On their own they are not enough, but no single measure is.

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