Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Ginger n Lemon · 18-07-2020 05:32PM

I am back from another city centre trip. Things are picking up!!

First off - around 30-50% wearing masks in shops and shopping centres (I thought it would be much higher as it is mandatory now?), barely any retail staff wearing masks as well, not setting a gud example.

2nd off - plenty of people out shopping. I suppose weather allows just that. Very good day out.

Lastly, did Zara on Henry st close permanently? This is really bad... I knew Debenhams were in trouble and obviously that huge empty building will be empty for years to come, but thought that at least Zara will be open and busy?

All in all - as usual people climbing on top of each other inside the shops, like genuinely feels like covid or social distancing is just not a thing like.., felt like July 2019. The normal. Feel bad for pubs though, the 3 week extension is really bizarre. (I actually think they wont re open until mid September or end of September, come 7th of August govt will "prioritise schools re opening over pubs and will need to see low number of cases to proceed with schools etc.") which is extremely pathetic and idiotic, but not surprising.

Medical advice is the name of the game, and ofcourse get those credit guarantee schemes going! Businesses are eager to take on more debt while operating at 50% capacity! :rolleyes::mad:

Penfailed · 18-07-2020 06:16PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

I'd wager most of the clappy-seals who brayed for lockdown will not be able to make the connection when the realise their pay-packets and welfare payments have been decimated.

People aren't as stupid as you think.

Penfailed · 18-07-2020 06:25PM

road_high wrote: »

The army on the streets thing wasn’t too far from reality tbh. We had Garda checkpoints everywhere with severe movement restrictions only for essential travel. Amounted to the same thing

Except it was completely different from reality...as...the army weren't on the streets.

s1ippy · 18-07-2020 06:27PM

road_high wrote: »

The army on the streets thing wasn’t too far from reality tbh. We had Garda checkpoints everywhere with severe movement restrictions only for essential travel. Amounted to the same thing

I heard that was actually a prerecorded message for the night before the second lockdown :pac:

road_high · 18-07-2020 06:29PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Except it was completely different from reality...as...the army weren't on the streets.

But what did people expect them to do that the AGS weren’t already doing? The Irish populace were extremely compliment so the army in the streets would have been pointless.
However I think they could have been put to better use like supervising the chaos that occurred in some supermarkets that was completely unnecessary in the early days

TaurenDruid · 18-07-2020 06:59PM

road_high wrote: »

The army on the streets thing wasn’t too far from reality tbh. We had Garda checkpoints everywhere with severe movement restrictions only for essential travel. Amounted to the same thing

Oh, come off it. Completely at odds with reality!

Early days and 2k limit, I'd pass zero to two checkpoints on the way in to work, maybe five seconds to see my ID badge, "grand, thanks!" and on my way. Way home, zero to one checkpoint.

And the severe movement restrictions, only for essential travel, was exactly what was needed.

What wasn't was the fearmongering "Army will be on the streets tomorrow!" posts on FB and Whatsapp, that led directly to the stupid pasta and toilet paper hoarding.

Golf is my Game · 18-07-2020 06:59PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

(I actually think they wont re open until mid September or end of September, come 7th of August govt will "prioritise schools re opening over pubs and will need to see low number of cases to proceed with schools etc.") which is extremely pathetic and idiotic, but not surprising.

Id say your right that thats what theyl say but there spot on if they dont. Theres much more important than pubs and for the probelm they can cause their certainly something that should be shut. In fact their probably the first thing that should always be shut down as we go through this and I think closing even the ones with the nine quid food would be a step in the right direction until at least next year. Now they need support so its not fair that their paying all the cost for the more important things staying open so they should get the rest of the country helping them out and all that but staying closed is the best thing. They should be the last thing to reopen when everything OK again or a least stable and handleable in the long term without risk and wondering if its getting worse or better even if that years away from here. Even Ireland with is drink culture will happily get along grand and all without the pubs compared to so many other things that could be closed.

TaurenDruid · 18-07-2020 07:01PM

road_high wrote: »

But what did people expect them to do that the AGS weren’t already doing? The Irish populace were extremely compliment so the army in the streets would have been pointless.
However I think they could have been put to better use like supervising the chaos that occurred in some supermarkets that was completely unnecessary in the early days

It takes a store manager to say "cop the **** on, store limits apply, you're only getting one multipack of toilet paper". Not the army.

They were much better employed doing contact tracing, and an excellent job they did, too!

Penfailed · 18-07-2020 07:02PM

Golf is my Game wrote: »

Id say your right that thats what theyl say but there spot on if they dont. Theres much more important than pubs and for the probelm they can cause their certainly something that should be shut. In fact their probably the first thing that should always be shut down as we go through this and I think closing even the ones with the nine quid food would be a step in the right direction until at least next year. Now they need support so its not fair that their paying all the cost for the more important things staying open so they should get the rest of the country helping them out and all that but staying closed is the best thing. They should be the last thing to reopen when everything OK again or a least stable and handleable in the long term without risk and wondering if its getting worse or better even if that years away from here. Even Ireland with is drink culture will happily get along grand and all without the pubs compared to so many other things that could be closed.

Completely disagree.

Golf is my Game · 18-07-2020 07:07PM

end of the road wrote: »

because it's not.
the job of a union is to look after the interests of it's members, nothing more.
workers have enough to do without being expected to face abuse or even attack from self entitled individuals who think they are so special as to not follow the rules.

Your right and thats the the big problem with unions in ireland anyways and why reopening the schools could bring problems from the them. Their totaly without morals like and do think whatever they can get for there members is fair game whether is justified or fair on the rest or not so theyl try to exploit a situation like this rather than do whats the best for the country or getting kids back in the class rooms and helping the country work normally again. The problem is they think that looking out for their members is there job which makes them a problem. I think they could be one of the big issues and problems for Ireland this autumn. Looking out for themselves is just part of their culture and nature at this stage that they lose touch with reality and only see what they can get out of it and settling old scores with the goverment and the likes. I would hold much hope that theyl be responsible considering the trouble Ireland and the world is in.

Golf is my Game · 18-07-2020 07:10PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Completely disagree.

Why ? Theyr business is bringing people together for the purpose of a drink. So theres better ways of doing that and its right at the bottom of the priorities. OK so theres the social side, but theres better ways of that too. The pub like we knew is just totally against everything we know about how this thing should be handled but its just ireland has so much tradition of the pub that people tend to want to get it back even though is a big risk for very little in the bigger scale of things in the country running.

Penfailed · 18-07-2020 07:14PM

Golf is my Game wrote: »

Your right and thats the the big problem with unions in ireland anyways and why reopening the schools could bring problems from the them. Their totaly without morals like and do think whatever they can get for there members is fair game whether is justified or fair on the rest or not so theyl try to exploit a situation like this rather than do whats the best for the country or getting kids back in the class rooms and helping the country work normally again. The problem is they think that looking out for their members is there job which makes them a problem. I think they could be one of the big issues and problems for Ireland this autumn. Looking out for themselves is just part of their culture and nature at this stage that they lose touch with reality and only see what they can get out of it and settling old scores with the goverment and the likes. I would hold much hope that theyl be responsible considering the trouble Ireland and the world is in.

Completely disagree.

Penfailed · 18-07-2020 07:17PM

Golf is my Game wrote: »

Why ? Theyr business is bringing people together for the purpose of a drink. So theres better ways of doing that and its right at the bottom of the priorities. OK so theres the social side, but theres better ways of that too. The pub like we knew is just totally against everything we know about how this thing should be handled but its just ireland has so much tradition of the pub that people tend to want to get it back even though is a big risk for very little in the bigger scale of things in the country running.

There's better ways of bringing people together for a drink than the pub? I don't know what you mean by that. There's the social side...but there's better ways for that too? What ways?

Penfailed · 18-07-2020 07:19PM

road_high wrote: »

But what did people expect them to do that the AGS weren’t already doing? The Irish populace were extremely compliment so the army in the streets would have been pointless.
However I think they could have been put to better use like supervising the chaos that occurred in some supermarkets that was completely unnecessary in the early days

I didn't expect them to do anything. I didn't believe the WhatsApp recording when I heard it back then.

TaurenDruid · 18-07-2020 07:21PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

(I actually think they wont re open until mid September or end of September, come 7th of August govt will "prioritise schools re opening over pubs and will need to see low number of cases to proceed with schools etc.") which is extremely pathetic and idiotic, but not surprising.

I think I've rarely seen someone on here with less empathy or understanding for other people.

Kids need education. Parents need to get back to work.

How do businesses open if their staff have kids that need childcare and education, but the creches and schools are still closed?

PTH2009 · 18-07-2020 08:21PM

Anti pubs people delighted and hoping they stay closed

The same amount of people could be in a packed penny's and not an eye raised

gral6 · 18-07-2020 08:35PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Anti pubs people delighted and hoping they stay closed

The same amount of people could be in a packed penny's and not an eye raised

Same people can happily march on ''black life matter '' bul**** and officials including useless NPHET don't give a ****

pgj2015 · 18-07-2020 08:37PM

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Ok, I'll bite.

How did this café owner hear?

A phonecall from Micheál, was it? A text from the RAI, decoded with a secret code ring?

This is as silly as "The army are going to be on the streets on Monday, I heard it from a sergeant I know!" from back in March.

Please don't reply with "I'm just telling you what I heard!"

she told an employee, the employee is family of mine and told me. i know the business owner, not sure why she would say that, obviously she doesn't want it to be true.

Muscles Schultz · 18-07-2020 08:42PM

#lockdownharder

Ginger n Lemon · 18-07-2020 08:43PM

21 new cases today. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: Lets keep pubs closed. (idiots)

Okay so

Health Secretary Matt Hancock has called for an urgent review into how coronavirus deaths have been recorded in England.

It follows confirmation from Public Health England that reported deaths may have included people who tested positive months before they died.

Other UK nations only include those who die within 28 days of a positive test.

Officials say the publication of daily death figures will be paused while the issue was "resolved".

A note on the government's website read: "Currently the daily deaths measure counts all people who have tested positive for coronavirus and since died, with no cut-off between time of testing and date of death.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53443724

What the hell is going on?? Did i read that right? person had covid in march, April, May, long recovered, died from a car accident and has been counted as covid death??

Well if you do that, our noisy neighbor is not doing well with covid. we are doing much better :pac:

Seriously - is covid becoming a big joke?? You had Belgium counting all deaths in March April as covid deaths (without a test....) now this? Can see why youth dont take it seriously.... cant blame them

Golf is my Game · 18-07-2020 08:46PM

pgj2015 wrote: »

she told an employee, the employee is family of mine and told me. i know the business owner, not sure why she would say that, obviously she doesn't want it to be true.

Sure, because thats they way they do it is it, tell some random cafe owner before its anounced nationally, why do people believe and repeat this crap. I heard the moons made of cheese.

pgj2015 · 18-07-2020 08:50PM

Golf is my Game wrote: »

Sure, because thats they way they do it is it, tell some random cafe owner before its anounced nationally, why do people believe and repeat this crap. I heard the moons made of cheese.

The moon is man made and people live inside it. im not sure where the story about the restaurants being closed on monday came from, but sure I wouldn't be one bit surprised if they are.

lukas8888 · 18-07-2020 08:55PM

pgj2015 wrote: »

The moon is man made and people live inside it. im not sure where the story about the restaurants being closed on monday came from, but sure I wouldn't be one bit surprised if they are.

Absolute nonsense,could happen in the future if cases spiraled out of control for an extended period.

Captain_Crash · 18-07-2020 08:55PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

What the hell is going on?? Did i read that right? person had covid in march, April, May, long recovered, died from a car accident and has been counted as covid death??

That’s happened here too. There was someone who tested positive in March and died of a heart attack on April and went down as a covid death

TaurenDruid · 18-07-2020 09:02PM

pgj2015 wrote: »

she told an employee, the employee is family of mine and told me. i know the business owner, not sure why she would say that, obviously she doesn't want it to be true.

And once again - where did the business owner hear this?

Because I'm damn sure the Restaurant Association of Ireland would have had wind of this, and the LVA, and various others, and would not be quiet about it.

The government rarely do anything without floating it first, by leaks, that get reported on mainstream media to see how it'll go down. Not by mentioning it to a random café owner whose employee's relation posts it to boards.ie.

dalyboy · 18-07-2020 09:02PM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

That’s happened here too. There was someone who tested positive in March and died of a heart attack on April and went down as a covid death

I hear the pitter patter of small feet all the way to a pretty big tribunal in 12-18 months time

Golf is my Game · 18-07-2020 09:08PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Anti pubs people delighted and hoping they stay closed

The same amount of people could be in a packed penny's and not an eye raised

Which is fair enough because there much more benefit in having people in a Penneys. Thats the point. Its about minimising the risks, so you cut out the lease needed stuff. The chances being the same or even worse in this situation or that situation doesnt make it right to do it and a lot a lads are missing this point. Thats why pubs should be shut for sure for like 3 months or whatever until we see how the autumn goes and kids back in school and ones back from away for holidays in Europe and the like. Would also give some certainly to the pubs so that they can plan rather than wondering week to week whats the story.

TaurenDruid · 18-07-2020 09:09PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

21 new cases today. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: Lets keep pubs closed. (idiots)

Why the sarcasm emojis?

21 people now have Covid that didn't have it yesterday. If they had it bad enough to go get tested, they may end up in hospital, ICU, or dead.

It can be asymptomatic or mild. Or it can kill you. Or you can survive it, and have lung or heart damage or exhaustion, or a combination, months after.

But sarcasm emojis and insults.

The country went into lockdown with 34 cases, IIRC.

Multipass · 18-07-2020 09:12PM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

That’s happened here too. There was someone who tested positive in March and died of a heart attack on April and went down as a covid death

This is going on all over the world, the US had multiple gunshot victims counted as Covid deaths.

Charles Babbage · 18-07-2020 09:54PM

Golf is my Game wrote: »

Which is fair enough because there much more benefit in having people in a Penneys. Thats the point. Its about minimising the risks, so you cut out the lease needed stuff. The chances being the same or even worse in this situation or that situation doesnt make it right to do it and a lot a lads are missing this point. Thats why pubs should be shut for sure for like 3 months or whatever until we see how the autumn goes and kids back in school and ones back from away for holidays in Europe and the like. Would also give some certainly to the pubs so that they can plan rather than wondering week to week whats the story.

This is a British document on the effectiveness of various measures. It is a bit complicated, but basically for R to remain below 1 then something has to be reduced, if you open schools then you cannot also open pub type venues as well.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings