Masks

xhomelezz · 18-07-2020 07:15PM

Yes: valved

GazzaL wrote: »

We lost well over a thousand people from shopping? The lies from the pro mask nutters are insane.

We did survive going to the supermarket without masks at the peak of the pandemic. Case numbers dropped to a miniscule level despite shops being open and almost no masks being worn. Shops are NOT high risk environments.

He didn't say they died in the shops or from shopping. You might learn to read. Also calling peeps Nazis, because they wear a masks, well that's something. You obviously have no clue what nazi mean. But yeah keep posting your made up crap. Can't wait for more entertainment..

GazzaL · 18-07-2020 07:19PM

xhomelezz wrote: »

He didn't say they died in the shops or from shopping. You might learn to read. Also calling peeps Nazis, because they wear a masks, well that's something. You obviously have no clue what nazi mean. But yeah keep posting your made up crap. Can't wait for more entertainment..

I said we survived going to the supermarket at the peak of the pandemic without wearing masks. This is clear and obvious to anyone with a brain, because case numbers dropped from peak levels to miniscule levels. He said we didn't, which is completely off the wall. You can't argue with facts. You might want to have another read yourself.

I have no problem with people wearing masks if they feel comfortable doing so. I do have a problem with it being forced upon everyone. The people who wish to force it on others, the people who lie about the dangers of going to the shops, they are a disgrace.

odyssey06 · 18-07-2020 07:25PM

GazzaL wrote: »

I said we survived going to the supermarket at the peak of the pandemic without wearing masks. This is clear and obvious to anyone with a brain, because case numbers dropped from peak levels to miniscule levels. He said we didn't, which is completely off the wall. You can't argue with facts. You might want to have another read yourself.
I have no problem with people wearing masks if they feel comfortable doing so. I do have a problem with it being forced upon everyone. The people who wish to force it on others, the people who lie about the dangers of going to the shops, they are a disgrace.

You still dont get the concept of infectious diseases.
If you claim you know nobody died as a result of supermarkets then you are lying or clueless.
So no we didnt all survive. We lost over 1000 people.
Supermarkets can form a link in a chain of infections. You dont have to set foot in a place. You just need to be connected in the chain.
It didnt spontaneously generate in nursing homes. It was brought in.

xhomelezz · 18-07-2020 07:28PM

Yes: valved

GazzaL wrote: »

I said we survived going to the supermarket at the peak of the pandemic without wearing masks. This is clear and obvious to anyone with a brain, because case numbers dropped from peak levels to miniscule levels. He said we didn't, which is completely off the wall. You can't argue with facts. You might want to have another read yourself.

I have no problem with people wearing masks if they feel comfortable doing so. I do have a problem with it being forced upon everyone. The people who wish to force it on others, the people who lie about the dangers of going to the shops, they are a disgrace.

I think you keep forgetting one thing, the f.. country was shut down!! That's why cases went low. Masks are just part of measures to keep cases low. When the tools like you refuse to see that, enforcement is needed, for your own good. I don't understand whatsoever how some people can be so selfish. You can go and tell all that sh1te you keep posting to families who lost their members because of covid. Go on, I'm sure they'll be delighted with your wisdom.

Tork · 18-07-2020 07:29PM

Yes: to protect others

I don't want to say where I live but it is in the hinterland of a meat factory where there was an outbreak of Coronavirus. I don't know where the workers who tested positive for it do their shopping but it's not beyond the bounds of possibility that it's in the same stores I go into. As I said, I can only hope that nobody I meet is carrying the virus. I can only hope that they are taking good precautions.

polesheep · 18-07-2020 07:32PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I hate this attitude that most people were old and past their sell by date. There were people in their 20s who died from this.

The fact is most people were old. You added the rest.

polesheep · 18-07-2020 07:33PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

You dont seem to get the concept of infectious diseases.
People brought it into nursing homes.
They had to pick it up somewhere.
We dont know where exactly but enclosed spaces are higher risk than elsewhere.

We know exactly how it got into nursing homes. HSE take a bow.

odyssey06 · 18-07-2020 07:34PM

polesheep wrote: »

We know exactly how it got into nursing homes. HSE take a bow.

You still dont get it.
Keep working your way back in the chain.

GazzaL · 18-07-2020 07:36PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

You still dont get the concept of infectious diseases.
If you claim you know nobody died as a result of supermarkets then you are lying or clueless.
So no we didnt all survive. We lost over 1000 people.
Supermarkets can form a link in a chain of infections. You dont have to set foot in a place. You just need to be connected in the chain.
It didnt spontaneously generate in nursing homes. It was brought in.

More lies. I completely get the concept of infectious diseases. Supermarkets were open throughout the pandemic, numbers dropped massively despite them being open and almost no masks being worn. If supermarkets were high risk areas, we would've seen a much higher peak than we did as there would've been much worse damage done to the wider population. Supermarkets are not high risk areas.

If the problem in nursing homes had been addressed earlier, lives would have been saved. People who push this wearing masks in shops agenda will be responsible for more deaths because they drown out the key messages of good hygiene and social distancing.

xhomelezz wrote: »

I think you keep forgetting one thing, the f.. country was shut down!! That's why cases went low. Masks are just part of measures to keep cases low. When the tools like you refuse to see that, enforcement is needed, for your own good. I don't understand whatsoever how some people can be so selfish. You can go and tell all that sh1te you keep posting to families who lost their members because of covid. Go on, I'm sure they'll be delighted with your wisdom.

The supermarkets weren't shut down. People still went out grocery shopping without masks. Cases went low because of better hygiene and social distancing, and also because steps were taken to improve conditions in nursing homes.

tom1ie · 18-07-2020 07:37PM

Yes: to protect myself and others

GazzaL wrote: »

I said we survived going to the supermarket at the peak of the pandemic without wearing masks. This is clear and obvious to anyone with a brain, because case numbers dropped from peak levels to miniscule levels. He said we didn't, which is completely off the wall. You can't argue with facts. You might want to have another read yourself.

I have no problem with people wearing masks if they feel comfortable doing so. I do have a problem with it being forced upon everyone. The people who wish to force it on others, the people who lie about the dangers of going to the shops, they are a disgrace.

You talking about having a brain is quite funny to be honest.

This has been explained to you time and again that the lockdown meant case numbers dropped!
Lockdown is now over and the virus has the opportunity to spread which is why we must all wear masks, SD and wash hands etc to try and contain the virus.
I Suppose this isn’t going to make a difference as your just going to continue trolling aren’t you.

railer201 · 18-07-2020 07:38PM

Yes: valved

GazzaL wrote: »

I said we survived going to the supermarket at the peak of the pandemic without wearing masks. This is clear and obvious to anyone with a brain, because case numbers dropped from peak levels to miniscule levels. He said we didn't, which is completely off the wall. You can't argue with facts. You might want to have another read yourself.

I have no problem with people wearing masks if they feel comfortable doing so. I do have a problem with it being forced upon everyone. The people who wish to force it on others, the people who lie about the dangers of going to the shops, they are a disgrace.

I don't, some people unfortunately need to be protected from themselves.

GazzaL · 18-07-2020 07:40PM

tom1ie wrote: »

You talking about having a brain is quite funny to be honest.

This has been explained to you time and again that the lockdown meant case numbers dropped!
Lockdown is now over and the virus has the opportunity to spread which is why we must all wear masks, SD and wash hands etc to try and contain the virus.
I Suppose this isn’t going to make a difference as your just going to continue trolling aren’t you.

So the virus didn't transmit in supermarkets which were open at the peak of the pandemic, but the virus is going to rush like wildfire through supermarkets now that the lockdown is over? Come off it.

People who try to force masks on everyone are resulting in the good hygiene and social distancing messages being lost.

Tork · 18-07-2020 07:43PM

Yes: to protect others

I assume people who go to house parties and to pubs don't shop. Nor do the ones who work in meat factories, use public transport....

xhomelezz · 18-07-2020 07:45PM

Yes: valved

GazzaL wrote: »

So the virus didn't transmit in supermarkets which were open at the peak of the pandemic, but the virus is going to rush like wildfire through supermarkets now that the lockdown is over? Come off it.

People who try to force masks on everyone are resulting in the good hygiene and social distancing messages being lost.

GazzaL · 18-07-2020 07:46PM

Tork wrote: »

I assume people who go to house parties and to pubs don't shop. Nor do the ones who work in meat factories, use public transport....

We all shopped at the peak of the pandemic, including people carrying the virus, yet case numbers dropped to miniscule levels thanks to good hygiene and social distancing.

Now we have people banging on about masks while the good hygiene and social distancing messages get lost. The two things that helped reduce case levels are going out the window because of all the noise about masks.

odyssey06 · 18-07-2020 07:46PM

GazzaL wrote: »

So the virus didn't transmit in supermarkets which were open at the peak of the pandemic, but the virus is going to rush like wildfire through supermarkets now that the lockdown is over? Come off it.

We refer you to all the previous answers on the thread pointing out the reason for that was that their risk had been lowered by all the other restrictions.
Now restrictions ease anywhere enclosed with large numbers of ppl circulating is high risk.
Remember also we closed lots of shops.
And our most vulnerable were cocooning.
We cant keep up those restrictions indefinitely.
In contrast masks are cheap and sustainable economically and the experience of other pro mask countries is that they are effective.

khalessi · 18-07-2020 07:47PM

Yes: surgical

GazzaL wrote: »

So the virus didn't transmit in supermarkets which were open at the peak of the pandemic, but the virus is going to rush like wildfire through supermarkets now that the lockdown is over? Come off it.

I admire your trolling spirit either that or I will have to think you are just idiotic which couldn't be possible, could it?

At the peak of the pandemic we had a lockdown, the casualites were full but because we prepared not overrun like other countries. Most shops and businesses were closed and people were encouraged to stay home, sport was discontinued and pubs cinemas, restaurants, coffee shops, pracitically everything closed down while the virus moved around but people didnt for the most part.

Now we have restrictions lifted and people are mixing more, there are tourists so of course the virus will rise but the levels it has reached was unexpected, 1.2 -1.8. People being daft and having house parties, and some HCW etc.

Now they could say lockdown again or mandate masks so people can move around and hope that people aren't all idiots.

tom1ie · 18-07-2020 07:47PM

Yes: to protect myself and others

GazzaL wrote: »

So the virus didn't transmit in supermarkets which were open at the peak of the pandemic, but the virus is going to rush like wildfire through supermarkets now that the lockdown is over? Come off it.

People who try to force masks on everyone are resulting in the good hygiene and social distancing messages being lost.

How?
It’s mask+ wash hands+socially distance.
That’s not that hard to remember.

Overheal · 18-07-2020 07:50PM

No: I don't care enough

GazzaL wrote: »

So the virus didn't transmit in supermarkets which were open at the peak of the pandemic, but the virus is going to rush like wildfire through supermarkets now that the lockdown is over? Come off it.

People who try to force masks on everyone are resulting in the good hygiene and social distancing messages being lost.

As you can see, and have just admitted in as many posts, there wasn't much social distancing going on, and certainly no mask wearing. You can see how very few cases there were at the beginning of March, and how quickly they grew exponentially - again, observing that all those supermarkets were flung open and masks weren't used. So, how do you in fact logically rationalize your position: that if Ireland were to just resume to business as usual as it was at the start of March that you would not see a 2nd wave as large as the first? You're not making any sense,

I feel like Man Ray trying to talk sense to Patrick the starfish from Spongebob.

odyssey06 · 18-07-2020 07:51PM

tom1ie wrote: »

How?
It’s mask+ wash hands+socially distance.
That’s not that hard to remember.

Apparently Paddy shopper is dumber than than Czech shopper or Korean shopper.

fr336 · 18-07-2020 07:51PM

Yes: surgical

364 pages of arguing whether or not a face covering is probably a good idea during a global pandemic which has caused countries to lock down and serious economic damage. I'm glad I started it!

MadYaker · 18-07-2020 07:51PM

Yes: surgical

GazzaL wrote: »

We all shopped at the peak of the pandemic, including people carrying the virus, yet case numbers dropped to miniscule levels thanks to good hygiene and social distancing.

Now we have people banging on about masks while the good hygiene and social distancing messages get lost. The two things that helped reduce case levels are going out the window because of all the noise about masks.

And what else did we do at the peak of the pandemic? Nothing. Now were doing stuff. Shops are open. I get to see my friends. People are together again in groups. This is how it spreads, so we have to wear masks or else its back to lock down. Maybe you prefer lockdown is that it? You like it when everyone stays at home all week and just goes to the shop once? Well I don't, I think it's f*cking sh!t, but morons like you are the reason we are most likely going to end up back in lockdown. So if you don't want to wear one just stay at home ok? Please.

Overheal · 18-07-2020 07:53PM

No: I don't care enough

MadYaker wrote: »

And what else did we do at the peak of the pandemic? Nothing.

Categorically false. Ireland was already shut down when the first wave hit its peak, you are talking out of the wrong hole.

The COVID-19 pandemic reached the Republic of Ireland on 29 February 2020,[4] and within three weeks had spread to all counties.[5][6] The pandemic affected many aspects of society. On 12 March, the government shut all schools, colleges, childcare facilities and cultural institutions, and advised cancelling large gatherings.[7] St Patrick's Day festivities were called off,[8] and the Taoiseach, Leo Varadkar, addressed the nation that night. On 24 March, almost all businesses, venues, facilities and amenities were shut; but gatherings of up to four were allowed.[9] Three days later, the government banned all "non-essential" travel and contact with people outside one's home (including family and partners). The elderly and those with certain health conditions were told to cocoon.

Your first wave peaked on April 10 with 1508 new reported cases.

fr336 · 18-07-2020 07:54PM

Yes: surgical

Anyone who isn't an idiot knows to keep washing their hands and to social distancing, or at least not get on top of strangers in a supermarket which is seriously creepy at the best of times, even when masks are compulsory. I was freaked out by how many people don't conduct hand hygeine in normal times, it's human 101. Or so I thought.

tom1ie · 18-07-2020 07:54PM

Yes: to protect myself and others

GazzaL wrote: »

We all shopped at the peak of the pandemic, including people carrying the virus, yet case numbers dropped to miniscule levels thanks to good hygiene and social distancing.

Now we have people banging on about masks while the good hygiene and social distancing messages get lost. The two things that helped reduce case levels are going out the window because of all the noise about masks.

Gazza, simple question, do you want another lockdown?

GazzaL · 18-07-2020 07:54PM

Overheal wrote: »

As you can see, and have just admitted in as many posts, there wasn't much social distancing going on, and certainly no mask wearing. You can see how very few cases there were at the beginning of March, and how quickly they grew exponentially - again, observing that all those supermarkets were flung open and masks weren't used. So, how do you in fact logically rationalize your position: that if Ireland were to just resume to business as usual as it was at the start of March that you would not see a 2nd wave as large as the first? You're not making any sense,

I feel like Man Ray trying to talk sense to Patrick the starfish from Spongebob.

Supermarkets weren't "flung open", they never closed. Cases dropped because of good hygiene and social distancing, and also because steps were taken to improve conditions in nursing homes. The two things that helped reduce transmission amongst the general public are being lost because of all the people banging on about masks.

fr336 · 18-07-2020 07:57PM

Yes: surgical

GazzaL wrote: »

Cases dropped because of good hygiene and social distancing

They dropped because of lockdown and strict restrictions such as only allowing a certain amount of people into supermarkets. Now these restrictions are being eased, it's a no brainer to a wear a bloomin' mask!

odyssey06 · 18-07-2020 07:57PM

GazzaL wrote: »

Supermarkets weren't "flung open", they never closed. Cases dropped because of good hygiene and social distancing, and also because steps were taken to improve conditions in nursing homes. The two things that helped reduce transmission amongst the general public are being lost because of all the people banging on about masks.

No evidence of them being lost.
All the evidence from abroad is that we now have a new cheap weapon in our arsenal to add to the ones we have.

MadYaker · 18-07-2020 07:59PM

Yes: surgical

GazzaL wrote: »

Supermarkets weren't "flung open", they never closed. Cases dropped because of good hygiene and social distancing, and also because steps were taken to improve conditions in nursing homes. The two things that helped reduce transmission amongst the general public are being lost because of all the people banging on about masks.

Are you really this dense? Cases dropped because supermarkets were literally the only thing open. Now almost everything is open.

GazzaL · 18-07-2020 07:59PM

fr336 wrote: »

They dropped because of lockdown and strict restrictions such as only allowing a certain amount of people into supermarkets. Now these restrictions are being eased, it's a no brainer to a wear a bloomin' mask!

So we should forget about good hygiene and social distancing, and just wear masks? I'd rather have good hygiene and use social distancing - they are the reasons why it was safe to go shopping even at the peak of the pandemic.

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