Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

pjohnson wrote: »

Currently the young in general are the net contributors to this delay. They are choosing covid parties as their future.

House parties are better craic anyway.

I think people are forgetting that Leo Varadkar said that lockdown could only go on so long and wasn't sustainable.

Ask a psychiatrist, social isolation is very damaging and not just for children but for everyone.

So what you have is that people with partners and families hunker down. Those without end up breaking the rules and seeing groups of friends out of necessity. Human beings just are social creatures and human nature is real.

In the circular blackmail we have instituted, if people are unable to go along with lockdown they are threatened with another lockdown and/or saddled with the blame for the long-term consequences of lockdown.

Our policy treats relations between people as a detail and won't admit that they aren't incidental but in fact the essence of life. We're on very shaky ground and as I've said before I believe its cumulative, people who could handle five months of this might become distressed after seven months.

road_high wrote: »

Their pay will have to be cut then unless rigid, structured online teaching is introduced standardised across all and accessible to all.
If I can’t or won’t fully do my job I don’t expect the same salary and to be paid to do nothing indefinitely. The “new normal” brigade can put that in their pipes

I think it’s a cheap shot for polesheep to say ‘teachers won’t go back until there’s a vaccine’. It’s just not true. This is not the teacher’s fault. Most of us can not wait to get back into the classroom. Many of my colleagues are currently working in summer provision and camps for disadvantaged children.
We are run by the Department of Education, at the moment they are sitting on the fence and watching time slip by with zero plans being shared with schools...I personally have put on the schools thread they should be at least sourcing some PPE, installing hand hygiene areas, sourcing buildings to use as extra classrooms, looking at numbers in certain schools where they are close to the threshold for a new teacher appointment and providing one on an emergency basis & many other suggestions. But I’m not the Dept of Ed - they call the shots.

THE PAUSE IN cancer screenings during the Covid-19 pandemic has seen over 450 cancers and 1,600 pre-cancers go undetected, according to the Irish Cancer Society.

They reported that it could take years to fully realise the impact of Covid-19 on cancer outcomes, but that it was evident that thousands weren’t being screened, waiting lists were growing, and a lack of clarity remained on how the issues would be addressed.

https://www.thejournal.ie/cancer-backlog-5152711-Jul2020/

Absolute disgrace. It can be said for certain now lockdown has likely caused deaths, deaths of people who had 50, 60, 70 years left to live in normal circumstances.

I just hope down the road there will be an investigation into this and the notorious medical experts, giving this advice of "lets keep everything shut down to slow the spread of a virus with <0.3% mortality rate" are held accountable.

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

THE PAUSE IN cancer screenings during the Covid-19 pandemic has seen over 450 cancers and 1,600 pre-cancers go undetected, according to the Irish Cancer Society.

I just hope down the road there will be an investigation into this and the notorious medical experts, giving this advice of "lets keep everything shut down to slow the spread of a virus with <0.3% mortality rate" are held accountable.

Source?

I saw the 'Bazooka' that the ECB promised turns out to amount to about 2 billion for Ireland. It's obviously significant but what's the cost of all the people receiving covid payments per week? Are people not familiar with austerity and budgets? I had my sister, a teacher, ask me why I was bothered if you don't care about going to a pub anyway?

fr336 wrote: »

What lockdown?

While I agree that we are effectively out of lockdown now, I'm talking in the context of ending house parties (advocated in the posts leading up to mine), along with the extended closure of pubs and nightclubs, and the threat of a return to Phase Two soon and the continuation of restrictions and social distancing indefinitely (not knowing when or if a vaccine will be safe and ready). Also the anticipation of a second lockdown in the winter which has been much-discussed on this forum.

growleaves wrote: »

While I agree that we are effectively out of lockdown now, I'm talking in the context of ending house parties (advocated in the posts leading up to mine), along with the extended closure of pubs and nightclubs, and the threat of a return to Phase Two soon and the continuation of restrictions and social distancing indefinitely (not knowing when or if a vaccine will be safe and ready). Also the anticipation of a second lockdown in the winter which has been much-discussed on this forum.

They can fcuk off if they think they are going to impose travel restrictions on us again, no way would I comply.

The publicans should have been given a chance to prove they could control their customers, very unfair that they weren't given the chance.

pgj2015 wrote: »

They can fcuk off if they think they are going to impose travel restrictions on us again, no way would I comply.

The publicans should have been given a chance to prove they could control their customers, very unfair that they weren't given the chance.

They've not stopped imposing them! Airline and travel industry will be dead soon - massive employers here and tens of 1000s of bluechip jobs all on the chopping board. I know people here in Kilkenny that work up around the Airport as the jobs hitherto have been so attractive.
The jobs not directly linked are massive such as food services, engineering and IT.

faceman wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Testing on day 0 doesn’t give him the all clear by any stretch of the imagination. He would still need to quarantine

Hypocrisy at its finest and comical that so many are coming out to defend the hypocrisy.

This is why ireland will always be deeply rooted in cronyism

I would say the Taoiseach attending a Euro summit about the planning and future of a crucially important transnational Covid 19 fund qualifies as essential business. It is pretty important. And every other head of government in the EU will also be there. There's a lot of things for the EU to get to work on about a lot of issues and there's plenty of disagreement. Zoom won't cut it in some instances. It's a bit more important than just a regular Joe coming back from holiday.

He has said he'll restrict his movements aside from essential duties when he returns. Like it or not the nature of his role necessitates essential work and duties.

And I'm sure he'll be tested early and often on his return.

Arghus wrote: »

I would say the Taoiseach attending a Euro summit about the planning and future of a crucially important transnational Covid 19 fund qualifies as essential business. It is pretty important. And every other head of government in the EU will also be there. There's a lot of things for the EU to get to work on about a lot of issues. Zoom won't cut it in some instances. It's a bit more important than just a regular Joe coming back from holiday.

He has said he'll restrict his movements aside from essential duties when he returns. Like it or not the nature of his role necessitates essential work and duties.

And I'm sure he'll be tested early and often on his return.

Nah zoom would cut it in this instance.

Let him lead by example ffs.

We have been using zoom since March.

Some people fawn over authority, Ive seen lately why the catholic church ruled the country for decades.

Gavlor wrote: »

If it was a lucrative business to be in pre covid then it will be a lucrative business to be in post covid. Some companies will go under but from that new companies will thrive in the future.

It’ll be far from dead.... assuming this thing doesn’t go on for years!!

I really struggle to digest some posts. This one is no different

Dickie10 wrote: »

i would imagine theres considerable division in the government on the pub issue, leo was looking like he would have given the green light. i wouldnt be surprised if soomething happened like a slight u turn on the augst 10 date yet

I think Leo is playing politics. Michael Martin and FF are shipping most of the ire around the postponing of Phase 4 and he just seems to be stoking it.

I'd say FG are not too displeased to see what has been at the very least a very rocky start for Martins tenure.

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

THE PAUSE IN cancer screenings during the Covid-19 pandemic has seen over 450 cancers and 1,600 pre-cancers go undetected, according to the Irish Cancer Society.

They reported that it could take years to fully realise the impact of Covid-19 on cancer outcomes, but that it was evident that thousands weren’t being screened, waiting lists were growing, and a lack of clarity remained on how the issues would be addressed.

https://www.thejournal.ie/cancer-backlog-5152711-Jul2020/

Absolute disgrace. It can be said for certain now lockdown has likely caused deaths, deaths of people who had 50, 60, 70 years left to live in normal circumstances.

I just hope down the road there will be an investigation into this and the notorious medical experts, giving this advice of "lets keep everything shut down to slow the spread of a virus with <0.3% mortality rate" are held accountable.

Oh i agree , these morons have blood onntheir hands! Where is the pathetic media on this ? They are absolutely somewhat responsible for the banana repubouc this country is....

Id cut any waste expenditure folks, these incompetent ffg are goimg to send us into the financial abyss again.... maybe this time the troika can stick around...