Masks

odyssey06 · 17-07-2020 07:42PM

Sorrento Steve wrote: »

I don't recall being asked in a referendum about mandatory muzzles in lieu of a prison sentence. There has been no debate, there is a shocking lack of scientific evidence supporting the wearing of masks against Covid. This is hit and hope stuff.

Voluntary masks are one thing but to have our Gardai acting in Gestapo-esque fashion to enforce the wearing of masks ( when they don't even wear them!) and imprison non complies is terrifying and sinister in the extreme

We have had the Holocaust, then the USSR and now the Gestapo.
If you think our Gardai are anything like the Gestapo you are obviously utterly clueless about what they did. It is offensive to victims of the Gestapo to even make the comparison, and to the members of the Gardai and this state.
We know who the Gestapo equivalents have been on this island and it was not an Gardai.
It's pretty clear you have an agenda against this Republic that has nothing to do with masks.

You don't need to be asked in a referendum about mask use.
Anymore than you were asked about drink driving laws or the smoking ban or wearing seatbelts in cars.

Masks are not a muzzle. They are an avenue to freedom.

drunkmonkey · 17-07-2020 07:44PM

No: other

odyssey06 wrote: »

Like they use tyranny to enforce drink driving rules, the smoking ban in pubs?
Trust, but verify.
An outbreak of an infectious disease is one of the times when strong government is called for.
The virus is the real tyranny.

All legal when I was 18 and we had a great time. You've grown up in fear.

Sorrento Steve · 17-07-2020 07:45PM

As someone with an interest in Irish history, the one thing that has lasted through the ages is the propensity for the Irish man to knife his fellow Irish man in the back. Robbing, touting on his fellow Paddy you name it.

It must be genetic our love of betraying our fellow countrymen.

To see the public cheerleading such authoritarian laws and arrests against fellow citizens is so so sad.

Jim_Hodge · 17-07-2020 07:48PM

Yes: homemade

;)I'm not throwing any food over this particular bridge.

GT89 · 17-07-2020 07:49PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

odyssey06 wrote: »

1. But refusing entry to people with dogs who aren't don't have a legitimate medical need for them isn't discrimination.
2. Nor is it discrimination to refuse entry to people without masks who don't have legitimate medical grounds for doing so.

The shops can enforce (1) and have been doing so for years.
No reason why they can't enforce (2).

Guide dogs are clearly marked. Do you suggest that people who can't wear masks go around wearing a badge that says I cannot wear a mask.

odyssey06 · 17-07-2020 07:51PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

All legal when I was 18 and we had a great time. You've grown up in fear.

Drink driving rules were brought in to stop drunk drivers killing innocents on the roads.
Smoking ban was brought in to stop smokers killing innocents in buses offices shops and pubs.
I think you can see where I'm going with this.

pjohnson · 17-07-2020 08:08PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

;)I'm not throwing any food over this particular bridge.

Throw some 5G. That'll make em run.

drunkmonkey · 17-07-2020 08:09PM

No: other

odyssey06 wrote: »

I think you can see where I'm going with this.

Yea the loony bin if you don't accept your going to die and start enjoying yourself and stop worrying about people trying to murder you by not wanting to wear as mask by force.

McGiver · 17-07-2020 08:16PM

No: I don't care enough

timmy_mallet wrote:

1. Differences in reporting measures. Are you certain they are all reporting data in the same way? 2. Hong Kong has closed schools early amid an outbreak. 3. Czech Rep. is experiencing growing cases at the moment. You nor I cannot determine mask efficacy in retail settings preventing further spread or contributing to it. 4. Ireland suppressed with essentially no mask usage while retail outlets remained broadly open. 5. Public health policy and legislation based on poor or in fact no evidence is not something I could stand behind.

Caught yourself into your own trap.

Czech cases are slightly growing because the universal requirement of masks was lifted 3 weeks ago you smarty pants.

Czech level of testing was slightly better than Irish per capita.

GazzaL · 17-07-2020 08:40PM

The amount of people that detest wearing masks is HUGE! People can't wait to rip them off after wearing them for a few minutes. One person excused themselves to take off their mask today because they couldn't breath. I've seen quite a few people who are struggling to wear them, particularly given the heat and humidity.

odyssey06 · 17-07-2020 08:43PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Yea the loony bin if you don't accept your going to die and start enjoying yourself and stop worrying about people trying to murder you by not wanting to wear as mask by force.

We're all going to die. We don't have to kill anyone else along the way, that's what drink driving laws, smoking bans and masks are about.
Freedom does not come with the right to endanger others. That is a child's concept of freedom.
With liberty comes responsibility. That is an adult's concept of liberty.

drunkmonkey · 17-07-2020 08:48PM

No: other

You have the freedom to move out of my bare faced, whiskey swilling, tab smoking way.

Galwayguy35 · 17-07-2020 08:51PM

D3V!L wrote: »

I'm seeing a lot of news articles and even shops saying its mandatory from Monday to wear a mask in a retail location. I can't for the life of me find any OFFICIAL announcement. :rolleyes:

This is what I was wondering as well, haven't seen any offical statement saying they have to be worn on monday.

The legislation would have to be passed first for it to be mandatory.

GazzaL · 17-07-2020 08:52PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

We're all going to die. We don't have to kill anyone else along the way, that's what drink driving laws, smoking bans and masks are about.
Freedom does not come with the right to endanger others. That is a child's concept of freedom.
With liberty comes responsibility. That is an adult's concept of liberty.

We all managed to do our weekly shop without wearing masks throughout the entire pandemic without killing people.

MonkstownHoop · 17-07-2020 08:58PM

Yes: to protect myself and others

Elderly man approached me in work today to ask why staff were not wearing masks, when i told him it wasn't mandatory atm he took his off and said thank f**k for that

Boggles · 17-07-2020 09:05PM

Sorrento Steve wrote: »

As someone with an interest in Irish history, the one thing that has lasted through the ages is the propensity for the Irish man to knife his fellow Irish man in the back. Robbing, touting on his fellow Paddy you name it.

It must be genetic our love of betraying our fellow countrymen.

To see the public cheerleading such authoritarian laws and arrests against fellow citizens is so so sad.

You mean the absolute roaring díckhead who staff pleaded with to put on a mask several times but he continued to play the fúcktard, then started having a go at the guards and was arrested on public order?

Well, if you are going be dumb, you better be tough.

odyssey06 · 17-07-2020 09:08PM

GazzaL wrote: »

We all managed to do our weekly shop without wearing masks throughout the entire pandemic without killing people.

Did we? How would we know?
That is the question.
Seems reasonable to adopt the precautionary principle here.

Overheal · 17-07-2020 09:13PM

No: I don't care enough

drunkmonkey wrote: »

All legal when I was 18 and we had a great time. You've grown up in fear.

If you were in fact 18 or older by the passing of the 1961 Road Traffic Act, then you are certainly in the category of immune compromised people that the rest of us have the wherewithal and conscientiousness to try and save from the virus.

GazzaL · 17-07-2020 09:16PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Did we? How would we know?
That is the question.
Seems reasonable to adopt the precautionary principle here.

Well, given that the number of new cases dropped to **** all and the supermarkets were open the entire time, that would be a fairly obvious indicator.

pjohnson · 17-07-2020 09:27PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

We're all going to die. We don't have to kill anyone else along the way, that's what drink driving laws, smoking bans and masks are about.
Freedom does not come with the right to endanger others. That is a child's concept of freedom.
With liberty comes responsibility. That is an adult's concept of liberty.

Responsibility will always be a dirty word to some.

odyssey06 · 17-07-2020 09:29PM

GazzaL wrote: »

Well, given that the number of new cases dropped to **** all and the supermarkets were open the entire time, that would be a fairly obvious indicator.

In conjunction with all the other measures and cocooning and the closure of many retail outlets ... which are not sustainable in the medium to long term. Masks are.

drunkmonkey · 17-07-2020 09:30PM

No: other

pjohnson wrote: »

Responsibility will always be a dirty word to some.

You can be responsible without being chained and muzzled.

GazzaL · 17-07-2020 09:30PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Responsibility will always be a dirty word to some.

Personal responsibility are dirty words to some of the pro-lockdown pro-mask eejits on here.

odyssey06 · 17-07-2020 09:35PM

GazzaL wrote: »

Personal responsibility are dirty words to some of the pro-lockdown pro-mask eejits on here.

If we could rely on personal responsibility we wouldn't need legislation on drink driving, or smoking in public places.
Personal responsibility is necessary in a free society but not sufficient.
I'm pro-mask because I'm anti-lockdown - in the sense I am pro mask because I don't want the lockdown to return or for us to step back a Phase in the restrictions.
There's been some godawful eegitry on this thread but it's been mostly from the anti-maskers. For the record, I'm anti-Gestapo, anti-Holocaust, anti-USSR, anti-New World Order. Yes, those are some of the allusions that have been made to pro-maskers.

iamwhoiam · 17-07-2020 09:40PM

Anyone whinging about wearing masks for a few hours should remember healthcare workers wearing them for up to 12 hours
I have seen photos of their bruised faces from wearing them to treat their patients . They just did it because its the right thing to do

GazzaL · 17-07-2020 09:43PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Anyone whinging about wearing masks for a few hours should remember healthcare workers wearing them for up to 12 hours
I have seen photos of their bruised faces from wearing them to treat their patients . They just did it because its the right thing to do

Two people I was talking to nearly passed out while wearing masks. If someone does that again, I'll tell them to ****ing get on with it and if they collapse and hit their head, then tough **** because it's the right thing to do.

drunkmonkey · 17-07-2020 09:45PM

No: other

odyssey06 wrote: »

Personal responsibility is necessary in a free society but not sufficient.

Spoken like a true Communist.

Overheal · 17-07-2020 09:48PM

No: I don't care enough

GazzaL wrote: »

Two people I was talking to nearly passed out while wearing masks. If someone does that again, I'll tell them to ****ing get on with it and if they collapse and hit their head, then tough **** because it's the right thing to do.

My fiancé has Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome (POTS). She indeed has an invisible disability. She indeed gets faint wearing the mask. It is indeed 35 degrees Celsius outside. She indeed feels weak and requires a rest period after these episodes.

Yet she indeed wears the mask for others when we venture out in public, we both do, because it is the right thing to do. She recognizes as someone who is immune compromised with Asthma and POTS that she as much relies on others wearing the mask as others do, especially those who like her may have an invisible disability.

GazzaL · 17-07-2020 09:55PM

Overheal wrote: »

My fiancé has Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome (POTS). She indeed has an invisible disability. She indeed gets faint wearing the mask. It is indeed 35 degrees Celsius outside. She indeed feels weak and requires a rest period after these episodes.

Yet she indeed wears the mask for others when we venture out in public, we both do, because it is the right thing to do. She recognizes as someone who is immune compromised with Asthma and POTS that she as much relies on others wearing the mask as others do, especially those who like her may have an invisible disability.

Fair play to her, but everyone's different. When a woman who was struggling to breath asked me if I minded if she took her mask off, what am I supposed to say? I'm not going to tell someone to keep their mask on and risk collapsing or worse! People need to take personal responsibility.

drunkmonkey · 17-07-2020 09:56PM

No: other

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