Masks

odyssey06 wrote: »

Like they use tyranny to enforce drink driving rules, the smoking ban in pubs?
Trust, but verify.
An outbreak of an infectious disease is one of the times when strong government is called for.
The virus is the real tyranny.

All legal when I was 18 and we had a great time. You've grown up in fear.

Sorrento Steve

As someone with an interest in Irish history, the one thing that has lasted through the ages is the propensity for the Irish man to knife his fellow Irish man in the back. Robbing, touting on his fellow Paddy you name it.

It must be genetic our love of betraying our fellow countrymen.

To see the public cheerleading such authoritarian laws and arrests against fellow citizens is so so sad.

Jim_Hodge

;)I'm not throwing any food over this particular bridge.

GT89

odyssey06 wrote: »

1. But refusing entry to people with dogs who aren't don't have a legitimate medical need for them isn't discrimination.
2. Nor is it discrimination to refuse entry to people without masks who don't have legitimate medical grounds for doing so.

The shops can enforce (1) and have been doing so for years.
No reason why they can't enforce (2).

Guide dogs are clearly marked. Do you suggest that people who can't wear masks go around wearing a badge that says I cannot wear a mask.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

All legal when I was 18 and we had a great time. You've grown up in fear.

Drink driving rules were brought in to stop drunk drivers killing innocents on the roads.
Smoking ban was brought in to stop smokers killing innocents in buses offices shops and pubs.
I think you can see where I'm going with this.

pjohnson

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

;)I'm not throwing any food over this particular bridge.

Throw some 5G. That'll make em run.

odyssey06 wrote: »

I think you can see where I'm going with this.

Yea the loony bin if you don't accept your going to die and start enjoying yourself and stop worrying about people trying to murder you by not wanting to wear as mask by force.

McGiver

timmy_mallet wrote:

1. Differences in reporting measures. Are you certain they are all reporting data in the same way? 2. Hong Kong has closed schools early amid an outbreak. 3. Czech Rep. is experiencing growing cases at the moment. You nor I cannot determine mask efficacy in retail settings preventing further spread or contributing to it. 4. Ireland suppressed with essentially no mask usage while retail outlets remained broadly open. 5. Public health policy and legislation based on poor or in fact no evidence is not something I could stand behind.

Caught yourself into your own trap.

Czech cases are slightly growing because the universal requirement of masks was lifted 3 weeks ago you smarty pants.

Czech level of testing was slightly better than Irish per capita.

The amount of people that detest wearing masks is HUGE! People can't wait to rip them off after wearing them for a few minutes. One person excused themselves to take off their mask today because they couldn't breath. I've seen quite a few people who are struggling to wear them, particularly given the heat and humidity.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Yea the loony bin if you don't accept your going to die and start enjoying yourself and stop worrying about people trying to murder you by not wanting to wear as mask by force.

We're all going to die. We don't have to kill anyone else along the way, that's what drink driving laws, smoking bans and masks are about.
Freedom does not come with the right to endanger others. That is a child's concept of freedom.
With liberty comes responsibility. That is an adult's concept of liberty.

You have the freedom to move out of my bare faced, whiskey swilling, tab smoking way.

Galwayguy35

D3V!L wrote: »

I'm seeing a lot of news articles and even shops saying its mandatory from Monday to wear a mask in a retail location. I can't for the life of me find any OFFICIAL announcement. :rolleyes:

This is what I was wondering as well, haven't seen any offical statement saying they have to be worn on monday.

The legislation would have to be passed first for it to be mandatory.

odyssey06 wrote: »

We're all going to die. We don't have to kill anyone else along the way, that's what drink driving laws, smoking bans and masks are about.
Freedom does not come with the right to endanger others. That is a child's concept of freedom.
With liberty comes responsibility. That is an adult's concept of liberty.

We all managed to do our weekly shop without wearing masks throughout the entire pandemic without killing people.

MonkstownHoop

Elderly man approached me in work today to ask why staff were not wearing masks, when i told him it wasn't mandatory atm he took his off and said thank f**k for that

Boggles

Sorrento Steve wrote: »

As someone with an interest in Irish history, the one thing that has lasted through the ages is the propensity for the Irish man to knife his fellow Irish man in the back. Robbing, touting on his fellow Paddy you name it.

It must be genetic our love of betraying our fellow countrymen.

To see the public cheerleading such authoritarian laws and arrests against fellow citizens is so so sad.

You mean the absolute roaring díckhead who staff pleaded with to put on a mask several times but he continued to play the fúcktard, then started having a go at the guards and was arrested on public order?

Well, if you are going be dumb, you better be tough.

GazzaL wrote: »

We all managed to do our weekly shop without wearing masks throughout the entire pandemic without killing people.

Did we? How would we know?
That is the question.
Seems reasonable to adopt the precautionary principle here.

Overheal

drunkmonkey wrote: »

All legal when I was 18 and we had a great time. You've grown up in fear.

If you were in fact 18 or older by the passing of the 1961 Road Traffic Act, then you are certainly in the category of immune compromised people that the rest of us have the wherewithal and conscientiousness to try and save from the virus.

odyssey06 wrote: »

Did we? How would we know?
That is the question.
Seems reasonable to adopt the precautionary principle here.

Well, given that the number of new cases dropped to **** all and the supermarkets were open the entire time, that would be a fairly obvious indicator.

pjohnson

odyssey06 wrote: »

We're all going to die. We don't have to kill anyone else along the way, that's what drink driving laws, smoking bans and masks are about.
Freedom does not come with the right to endanger others. That is a child's concept of freedom.
With liberty comes responsibility. That is an adult's concept of liberty.

Responsibility will always be a dirty word to some.

GazzaL wrote: »

Well, given that the number of new cases dropped to **** all and the supermarkets were open the entire time, that would be a fairly obvious indicator.

In conjunction with all the other measures and cocooning and the closure of many retail outlets ... which are not sustainable in the medium to long term. Masks are.

pjohnson wrote: »

Responsibility will always be a dirty word to some.

You can be responsible without being chained and muzzled.

pjohnson wrote: »

Responsibility will always be a dirty word to some.

Personal responsibility are dirty words to some of the pro-lockdown pro-mask eejits on here.

GazzaL wrote: »

Personal responsibility are dirty words to some of the pro-lockdown pro-mask eejits on here.

If we could rely on personal responsibility we wouldn't need legislation on drink driving, or smoking in public places.
Personal responsibility is necessary in a free society but not sufficient.
I'm pro-mask because I'm anti-lockdown - in the sense I am pro mask because I don't want the lockdown to return or for us to step back a Phase in the restrictions.
There's been some godawful eegitry on this thread but it's been mostly from the anti-maskers. For the record, I'm anti-Gestapo, anti-Holocaust, anti-USSR, anti-New World Order. Yes, those are some of the allusions that have been made to pro-maskers.

iamwhoiam

Anyone whinging about wearing masks for a few hours should remember healthcare workers wearing them for up to 12 hours
I have seen photos of their bruised faces from wearing them to treat their patients . They just did it because its the right thing to do

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Anyone whinging about wearing masks for a few hours should remember healthcare workers wearing them for up to 12 hours
I have seen photos of their bruised faces from wearing them to treat their patients . They just did it because its the right thing to do

Two people I was talking to nearly passed out while wearing masks. If someone does that again, I'll tell them to ****ing get on with it and if they collapse and hit their head, then tough **** because it's the right thing to do.

odyssey06 wrote: »

Personal responsibility is necessary in a free society but not sufficient.

Spoken like a true Communist.

Overheal

GazzaL wrote: »

Two people I was talking to nearly passed out while wearing masks. If someone does that again, I'll tell them to ****ing get on with it and if they collapse and hit their head, then tough **** because it's the right thing to do.

My fiancé has Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome (POTS). She indeed has an invisible disability. She indeed gets faint wearing the mask. It is indeed 35 degrees Celsius outside. She indeed feels weak and requires a rest period after these episodes.

Yet she indeed wears the mask for others when we venture out in public, we both do, because it is the right thing to do. She recognizes as someone who is immune compromised with Asthma and POTS that she as much relies on others wearing the mask as others do, especially those who like her may have an invisible disability.

Overheal wrote: »

My fiancé has Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome (POTS). She indeed has an invisible disability. She indeed gets faint wearing the mask. It is indeed 35 degrees Celsius outside. She indeed feels weak and requires a rest period after these episodes.

Yet she indeed wears the mask for others when we venture out in public, we both do, because it is the right thing to do. She recognizes as someone who is immune compromised with Asthma and POTS that she as much relies on others wearing the mask as others do, especially those who like her may have an invisible disability.

Fair play to her, but everyone's different. When a woman who was struggling to breath asked me if I minded if she took her mask off, what am I supposed to say? I'm not going to tell someone to keep their mask on and risk collapsing or worse! People need to take personal responsibility.