Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Deleted User wrote: »

I just don't see schools going back in September. The slightest increase in cases and we just panic. If the schools do go back, I can see it been something ridiculous like 1.5 days a week for each student. Or something else equally unworkable.

We've spread so much fear at this point, I'm not even sure that parents will send their kids back if the schools are open.

If public health advise is that drinking a pint in a pub is too dangerous, how could it be safe for kids to go to school?

The idiots over reacting are the government, to hell with nphet. Then you have rte and its so doom and gloom catholic church fear mongering, preaching etc.... its a country lead by morons and the populace for the most part have no critical thinking. Relying on the irish media for their news and views is true comedy....

Idbatterim wrote: »

The idiots over reacting are the government, to hell with nphet. Then you have rte and its so doom and gloom catholic church fear mongering, preaching etc.... its a country lead by morons and the populace for the most part have no crotical thinking. Relying on the irish media for their news and views is true comedy....

Well said...

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They telling you what they want you to know.

Deleted User wrote: »

Its an approach that is certainly working well in the USA

18 states, for the moment, currently being advised to roll back re-opening, Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, California, Florida, Georgia, Iowa, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, Nevada, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Utah.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Listening to Boris Johnson and he is like a ray of sunshine compared to our "leaders". Great to hear some positivity and no doubt it gives his country a bit of a lift.

Positivity? From Boris Johnson? That's not positivity, that's bluff and bluster. The man is a bullshít artist.

Deleted User wrote: »

Constantly mentioning the US is such a tired argument. They are a country of nut jobs obsessed with guns and money and led by a maniac.

Tired because you don't want to face reality? The good thing is that they're going in balls deep and showing the world what not to do and acting as a giant petri dish for us.

As for Johnson, 'leader' he's not. You don't seem to realise himself and Trump are cut from the same cloth, there's no difference between the 2.

faceman wrote: »

All bets are off now on travel. This reeks of Charlie Haughey behaviour.

Has MM not heard of Zoom?

Has he self deemed his trip as essential?

The optics of this are atrocious.

This is pretty squarely sending the message quarantine is nonsense

https://jrnl.ie/5152281

Do you really not see the difference between the leader of our nation travelling to an EU Council meeting in Brussels to represent & negotiate for some of a €750b 'pandemic stimulus' fund & EU Long term (2021-2027) budget planning, and someone wanting to go on a weeks holiday to the Costa Del Sol?

I find it laughable that people are going on about "shur the virus doesn't know that you're having a meal with your pint, compared to just having a pint next door".

The only reason pubs that serve food were allowed to open was because they lobbied the government to say that they were essentially restaurants, and totally different to your normal Friday night pub. And then when it come to delaying the opening of drink-only pubs they do an about face and say that drink only pubs are exactly the same as ones that serve food.

We're not idiots. There is a huge difference between going to a pub on a Friday, eating a meal, having a couple of pints and maybe watching a match, to going to a pub next door, having four or five pints during a match and then deciding that this is a great night altogether and maybe we'll go to the pub further down the road for a few more pints and before you know it you're hugging your best mate and thinking "ah f*ck the restrictions".

I feel sorry for publicans, and their staff, just like I feel sorry for everyone who has been f&cked over by this virus. But the economy will not recover unless we keep infections at the bare minimum. It doesn't matter if we open every pub, nightclub and concert venue in the land - if infections go up, people will be wary about going out, and those businesses who opened will soon be filing for liquidation. Let's not be like Sweden, who's economy has suffered nearly as badly as everyone elses, despite allowing most places to stay open, while having double the deaths of their neighbours.

The only way to save pubs, and theatres, and shops in the long run, is to be bloody cautious while infections rise.

Having said all of the above, I don't think there's huge cause for concern on the numbers yet. We are nowhere near numbers of new infections that would overwhelm the health service, even in flu season, and I am doubtful that these are actually new infections and not as a result of increased testing numbers. However, I think if these higher numbers are as a result of the virus catching a hold again, the level of caution right now is the right level.

Hurrache wrote: »

They did. What's the same argument is immediately dismissing anything to do with the US because you want to keep your head in the sand, repeatedly.

Well if our aim is eradication and 0 deaths then we should avoid following the US definitely.

But going by our previous aim: hospitals are not being overwhelmed in Texas, as they kept increasing capacity; Florida has less deaths per million now than Ireland did at the height of its first wave in full lockdown. These are states with over 20 million people and on a bad day over 100 people die of covid.

Going by the 'if it saves one life' criteria we will need periodic lockdowns and permanently-imposed abnormality indefinitely and that is what social-media gaslighting (including on boards) seems to be prepping us for.

growleaves wrote: »

Well if our aim is eradication and 0 deaths then we should avoid following the US definitely.

But going by our previous aim: hospitals are not being overwhelmed in Texas, as they kept increasing capacity; Florida has less deaths per million now than Ireland did at the height of its first wave in full lockdown. These are states with over 20 million people and on a bad day over 100 people die of covid.

Going by the 'if it saves one life' criteria we will need periodic lockdowns and permanently-imposed abnormality indefinitely and that is what social-media gaslighting (including on boards) seems to be prepping us for.

Florida ran out of ICU beds during the week, or are on the verge of doing so, can't remember the exact number at the moment but it's ever changing, and decreasing.

I don't think we'll ever eradicate it until there's a vaccination, it's something we'll have to live with. However I don't think we can live on perpetual lockdown though but now we'd just have to live without some aspect from our previously 'normal' lives.

Foreign travel needs to be curtailed as much as possible , so that , most importantly , schools can reopen in september... so that pubs can reopen. I would acceot naddive curtailment of foreign travel and no noghtclubs or massive gatherings certainly indoors like concerts... as the middle ground until a vaccine is hopefully delivered or it dies out...

polesheep wrote: »

It's nothing new, this country has always been ruled by the grey vote.

Because they bother going out to vote. That's not their fault. Blame the young who don't bother voting.

BattleCorp wrote: »

Because they bother going out to vote. That's not their fault. Blame the young who don't bother voting.

Voting is irrelevant here- all major political parties and reps are in agreement more or less on the Covid response and supported the measures regardless of their obvious potential to bankrupt us or if they had any logic or not.
The real issue is the economic damage- the young in general are the net contributors to the economy, working to pay for the healthcare and pensions of the older generations. Collapsing that tax base leaves the above in a very precarious state going forward.
Im very worried now about the economy and I think rightly so. Mentions if further lockdowns means billions of extra money needed in welfare and health supports. I don’t think we can sustain that at all but the govt are too busy hiding behind Nphet to come out and be honest about it. Something will have to give

is_that_so wrote: »

I imagine like others at that level he has access to instant testing so a bit of a moot point.

Nevertheless, hypocrisy does no good to anyone. If he has access to tests and those tests are appropriate (and they could be) then others should also be allowed avail of that path.

pjohnson wrote: »

Currently the young in general are the net contributors to this delay. They are choosing covid parties as their future.

Sure there'll be no jobs, but you'll have a few hours 'craic'.