Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

polesheep · 17-07-2020 11:01AM

Hannibal36 wrote: »

This definitely seems to be the economic model the Government is following,sacrificing the younger generation to save a small number of elderly and sick.

In Government you have to make the tough decisions for the greater good so i for one am glad to have a strong government looking out for us all.After all,the sick and elderly are our future and the countries future,we must prolong each and every one of them for as long as possible,no matter the cost to us all and the younger generations.

It's nothing new, this country has always been ruled by the grey vote.

faceman · 17-07-2020 11:02AM

is_that_so wrote: »

I imagine like others at that level he has access to instant testing so a bit of a moot point.

:rolleyes:

Testing on day 0 doesn’t give him the all clear by any stretch of the imagination. He would still need to quarantine

Hypocrisy at its finest and comical that so many are coming out to defend the hypocrisy.

This is why ireland will always be deeply rooted in cronyism

17-07-2020 11:04AM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

That 14 was 50% higher than the previous week.
Only a lunatic would further relax restrictions when the trend is upwards and the decision to delay was not a shock and is supported by the vast majority of the population.

Do you actually follow the figures? The positivity rate of tests didn't increase.
We just doubled the amount of tests we were carrying out.

We would have had the same number of cases back in June if we had tested as many.

And what then? Still be in phase 1 because 20 cases

:rolleyes:

robbiezero · 17-07-2020 11:09AM

s1ippy wrote: »

The frantic people on the thread are now those who are somehow only waking up to the realization that life for the next foreseeable is going to carry increased risk. They're looking for somebody to blame, but sometimes life just presents these challenges and you either rise to them or you fall to pieces.

Keep 2m from people in public and wear a mask. My elderly mother was rushed by a middle aged man in a shop yesterday and he was shouting into her face before she knew it. She said it was like he didn't know you were meant to distance. I doubt he hadn't heard about the masks, more likely he's a "rebel" like some on this thread.

I hope he has that out of his system because it sounds like in a situation where the ignorant endanger people like that, there will soon be consequences. I'm going shopping with her in future anyway and I'll be bringing a walking cane as a melée because apparently it's even more dangerous to tell the idiots not to do something than it is to tell them to do nothing.

This virus does do neurological damage though so I hope the irrational behaviour was as a consequence of their original stupidity and not a newly-found boorishness.

Another day another convenient anecdote.

I think Phase 4 should have gone ahead therefore I also like to shout in the faces of elderly women in shops. Makes sense alright.

Idbatterim · 17-07-2020 11:16AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Back in March, we went into lockdown and we were told that we needed to flatten the curve, ensure the hospitals were not overwhelmed, and get our testing and tracing up to speed. I think everybody supported the decision at the time.

By early May, the curve was flattened and hospitals numbers started dropping quickly. A trend that has continued to this very day, with just 8 now in ICU. While it took some time, it seems like we also finally have testing up to speed. We appeared to be moving in the right direction.

But now things have gotten a little confusing again. The decision to delay phase 4 on a day when just 14 new cases were announced was shocking to most people. Also making the masks mandatory. Now the acting CMO is saying that he doesn't see nightclubs opening at all and Leo is saying that pubs might not even open on August 10th.

Based on our actions, It almost feels like we are trying to eradicate the virus. But of course, we are allowing flights into Ireland from Covid hotspots. And we all know that all they need to do is fill a form and promise to isolate. We are also publishing a green list next week... So it will be safe to go to other countries and do as you please, but you still can't go to the pub in Ireland, which is just very bizarre no matter what way you look at things.

So the curve is flattened, and the hospitals are nowhere near overwhelmed, and we obviously aren't aiming for eradication. At least not fully. So what is our plan?

With large groups of people still been forced out of work, I can only imagine that the Covid payments will have to be extended indefinitely. And the banks will be under pressure to continue the payment holidays. I assume we'll be borrowing plenty of billions to do this?

To me, it feels like we are just kicking the can further and further down the road and praying for a vaccine. A vaccine that might not come soon, if at all. Or maybe we are praying the virus will just disappear.

How long is it sustainable for?
Do we have a plan for a scenario were there is no vaccine?
Have we considered who and how of paying the bill back?

It feels to me like we will literally sacrifice everything and anything to stop Covid. But at what cost?

Good post. There is no plan other than taking what they currently think is the easy route and mm, lv probably have the rosary beads out for their late night prayer. Life, jobs , business here has to start refurning to near normal. Shut down foreign travel as much as possible. That is now blatantly the best option to take and has been for quite some time. I can foresee these morons telling the schools that they will remain closed , the evening before they are due back!

It takes weeks before we know what way the trend is going. Travel should be massibeky curtailed now so we can get tens of thousands back to work and schools , pubs, university reopened....

snotboogie · 17-07-2020 11:18AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Texas... somewhere that never got a first wave under control fully before opening up and you compare Ireland who did get it under control to Texas.

Not exactly like for like now are they. There's living with this and taking the precautions, social distancing hygiene etc or theres open everything up and to hell with it which was the Texas approach. Have the likes of Denmark, Austria and Germany to name only 3 of many Europen countries turned into Texas since opening up with precautions which is what people here want ??

I see your very much still of the covid free mindset pushed by Killeen, which most rational thinking people have already dismissed as a pipe dream seeing as we're a country with an open land border with a jurisdiction implementing a different policy

What can be done in Denmark and Germany that cannot be done here that has people so up in arms?

ZX7R · 17-07-2020 11:19AM

According to rte news,
If cases reach 100 a day we will go back to phase 2
Sarah mclnerney and cillian de gascun were quoted

polesheep · 17-07-2020 11:19AM

s1ippy wrote: »

The frantic people on the thread are now those who are somehow only waking up to the realization that life for the next foreseeable is going to carry increased risk. They're looking for somebody to blame, but sometimes life just presents these challenges and you either rise to them or you fall to pieces.

Keep 2m from people in public and wear a mask. My elderly mother was rushed by a middle aged man in a shop yesterday and he was shouting into her face before she knew it. She said it was like he didn't know you were meant to distance. I doubt he hadn't heard about the masks, more likely he's a "rebel" like some on this thread.

I hope he has that out of his system because it sounds like in a situation where the ignorant endanger people like that, there will soon be consequences. I'm going shopping with her in future anyway and I'll be bringing a walking cane as a melée because apparently it's even more dangerous to tell the idiots not to do something than it is to tell them to do nothing.

This virus does do neurological damage though so I hope the irrational behaviour was as a consequence of their original stupidity and not a newly-found boorishness.

You, your family and your friends seem to lead the most extraordinarily dramatic lives. I look forward to reading your biography.

faceman · 17-07-2020 11:23AM

ZX7R wrote: »

According to rte news,
If cases reach 100 a day we will go back to phase 2
Sarah mclnerney and cillian de gascun were quoted

As expected. There’s no plan by the government for managing outbreaks. Muppets

Idbatterim · 17-07-2020 11:23AM

snotboogie wrote: »

What can be done in Denmark and Germany that cannot be done here that has people so up in arms?

They can actually run a country. This place is a banana republic... its 2020 and they still discharge raw waste into our rivers and seas... hse a disgrace. Housing disgrace. Health a disgrace. Law and order ? Lol. Infrastructure a joke. In fairness they have only had nearly one hundred years in power and two booms over less than two decades to get it right....

17-07-2020 11:24AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

Good post. There is no plan other than taking what they currently think is the easy route and mm, lv probably have the rosary beads out for their late night prayer. Life, jobs , business here has to start refurning to near normal. Shut down foreign travel as much as possible. That is now blatantly the best option to take and has been for quite some time. I can foresee these morons telling the schools that they will remain closed , the evening before they are due back!

It takes weeks before we know what way the trend is going. Travel should be massibeky curtailed now so we can get tens of thousands back to work and schools , pubs, university reopened....

I just don't see schools going back in September. The slightest increase in cases and we just panic. If the schools do go back, I can see it been something ridiculous like 1.5 days a week for each student. Or something else equally unworkable.

We've spread so much fear at this point, I'm not even sure that parents will send their kids back if the schools are open.

If public health advise is that drinking a pint in a pub is too dangerous, how could it be safe for kids to go to school?

deckie66 · 17-07-2020 11:26AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I just don't see schools going back in September. The slightest increase in cases and we just panic. If the schools do go back, I can see it been something ridiculous like 1.5 days a week for each student. Or something else equally unworkable.

We've spread so much fear at this point, I'm not even sure that parents will send their kids back if the schools are open.

If public health advise is that drinking a pint in a pub is too dangerous, how could it be safe for kids to go to school?

and if kids cant go back to regular school hours then many parents cant revert to normal working hours

s1ippy · 17-07-2020 11:27AM

polesheep wrote: »

You, your family and your friends seem to lead the most extraordinarily dramatic lives. I look forward to reading your biography.

How is a man running in a shop and getting close to another person dramatic outside the context of "there's a pandemic on and he could transmit a virus to anyone he's near"?

I meant it about the walking cane as well. Stay away from my mother.

polesheep · 17-07-2020 11:29AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I just don't see schools going back in September. The slightest increase in cases and we just panic. If the schools do go back, I can see it been something ridiculous like 1.5 days a week for each student. Or something else equally unworkable.

We've spread so much fear at this point, I'm not even sure that parents will send their kids back if the schools are open.

If public health advise is that drinking a pint in a pub is too dangerous, how could it be safe for kids to go to school?

There isn't a snowball's chance in Hell that teachers will go back before there is a vaccine.

bush · 17-07-2020 11:29AM

Thats a funny image of you in supervalu beating people with a walking stick

Gael23 · 17-07-2020 11:29AM

The NPHET seem to be adopting a policy of fear and scaremongering:
They have not told us that almost all those cases reported yesterday were within families and not the Eder community

polesheep · 17-07-2020 11:29AM

s1ippy wrote: »

How is a man running in a shop and getting close to another person dramatic outside the context of "there's a pandemic on and he could transmit a virus to anyone he's near"?

I meant it about the walking cane as well. Stay away from my mother.

Ok Norman.

HeidiHeidi · 17-07-2020 11:30AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If public health advise is that drinking a pint in a pub is too dangerous, how could it be safe for kids to go to school?

Hyperbolic rubbish like this does nothing to bolster your argument

faceman · 17-07-2020 11:31AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I just don't see schools going back in September. The slightest increase in cases and we just panic. If the schools do go back, I can see it been something ridiculous like 1.5 days a week for each student. Or something else equally unworkable.

We've spread so much fear at this point, I'm not even sure that parents will send their kids back if the schools are open.

If public health advise is that drinking a pint in a pub is too dangerous, how could it be safe for kids to go to school?

Just to give contrast here in Spain. The Spanish equivalent of the LC was delayed by only a few weeks and given the delay, test results were turned around in 5 days.

Large halls were used and there was 2m social distancing between students. Face masks were mandatory and must be worn properly. This was all supervised.

Guess what? No outbreaks related to students sitting the exams

If a nation ravaged by Coronavirus could take appropriate action to get it done, why can’t ireland?

Sammy2012 · 17-07-2020 11:55AM

faceman wrote: »

Just to give contrast here in Spain. The Spanish equivalent of the LC was delayed by only a few weeks and given the delay, test results were turned around in 5 days.

Large halls were used and there was 2m social distancing between students. Face masks were mandatory and must be worn properly. This was all supervised.

Guess what? No outbreaks related to students sitting the exams

If a nation ravaged by Coronavirus could take appropriate action to get it done, why can’t ireland?

As a primary teacher I couldnt understand why it couldnt have been done. They could have closed primary schools at the end of may and asked the primary teachers to man their own classroom with 2 or 3 students in each room. Let the exams go ahead. But the teachers were not asked about this. It is the incompetent Department of Education who deal with these matters. And this is why I am now starting to fear that I wont be going back to work in 6 weeks.

prunudo · 17-07-2020 12:35PM

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Hyperbolic rubbish like this does nothing to bolster your argument

But its not, he is right, if their metric is that 14 cases is too many to allow a social distanced drink without food in a pub to advance to phase 4 how do you think they'll allow rooms full of kids for 6 hours a day.
I honestly can't see them reopening in September if they are as scared as they have sounded in the last 2 days.

HeidiHeidi · 17-07-2020 12:39PM

prunudo wrote: »

But its not, he is right, if their metric is that 14 cases is too many to allow a social distanced drink without food in a pub to advance to phase 4 how do ypu think they'll allow rooms full of kids for 6 hours a day.
I honestly can't see them reopening in September if they are as scared as they have sounded in the last 2 days.

The hyperbole was in how it was phrased.

And drinks in pubs that are not operating as restaurants (the pubs that are currently open are meant to be operating as restaurants, not as pubs, they've just squeaked in under the restaurant rules) tend to become socially non- distanced very quickly.

They also involve lots of random strangers in close quarters, under the influence of alcohol, for prolonged periods of time. That's very different to a class of schoolchildren taking all possible precautions.

(And no, I don't know if schools will be able to reopen, but if keeping the pubs closed helps that happen, then I'm all for it)

facehugger99 · 17-07-2020 12:44PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I just don't see schools going back in September. The slightest increase in cases and we just panic. If the schools do go back, I can see it been something ridiculous like 1.5 days a week for each student. Or something else equally unworkable.

We've spread so much fear at this point, I'm not even sure that parents will send their kids back if the schools are open.

If public health advise is that drinking a pint in a pub is too dangerous, how could it be safe for kids to go to school?

Could we adopt the same virus protection principle that has been successfully adopted in the pubs?

Make the kids eat a €9 meal during the school day because, you know, 'food'.

HeidiHeidi · 17-07-2020 12:46PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Could we adopt the same virus protection principle that has been successfully adopted in the pubs?

Make the kids eat a €9 meal during the school day because, you know, 'food'.

Pubs are not open. Restaurants are.

The pubs that are open are meant to be operating as restaurants, not pubs.

deckie66 · 17-07-2020 12:48PM

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Pubs are not open. Restaurants are.

The pubs that are open are meant to be operating as restaurants, not pubs.

since they reopened I go to the pub twice a week. Have a decent main course and 4 or 5 pints. Full pub experience except no sitting at the bar which I'm actually getting to like

HeidiHeidi · 17-07-2020 12:51PM

deckie66 wrote: »

since they reopened I go to the pub twice a week. Have a decent main course and 4 or 5 pints. Full pub experience except no sitting at the bar which I'm actually getting to like

Yes, you can go and have a meal with accompanying drinks, just like in any restaurant, it just happens to be in a pub building.

But it's operating under current restrictions as a restaurant, not a pub.

faceman · 17-07-2020 12:52PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I just don't see schools going back in September. The slightest increase in cases and we just panic. If the schools do go back, I can see it been something ridiculous like 1.5 days a week for each student. Or something else equally unworkable.

We've spread so much fear at this point, I'm not even sure that parents will send their kids back if the schools are open.

If public health advise is that drinking a pint in a pub is too dangerous, how could it be safe for kids to go to school?

Multiple studies around the world shows kids in schools is low risk

Pubs are considered in the higher risk category which is higher than flying on a plane.

AUDI20 · 17-07-2020 01:00PM

prunudo wrote: »

But its not, he is right, if their metric is that 14 cases is too many to allow a social distanced drink without food in a pub to advance to phase 4 how do you think they'll allow rooms full of kids for 6 hours a day.
I honestly can't see them reopening in September if they are as scared as they have sounded in the last 2 days.

But the metric is not just 14 cases, its a 19 case average for the last 3 weeks up from a 9 case average for the previous 3 weeks, thats a big jump in any language

deckie66 · 17-07-2020 01:12PM

AUDI20 wrote: »

But the metric is not just 14 cases, its a 19 case average for the last 3 weeks up from a 9 case average for the previous 3 weeks, thats a big jump in any language

an increase was always inevitable as you move from lockdown through the phases.

Main issue is whether it will level off - say at 30/40 cases a day and whether we deal locally with outbreaks going forward.

If that is the case and hospitals see very few cases then remaining restrictions should be lifted but in tandem with best practice re face covering , hand washing etc

showpony1 · 17-07-2020 01:28PM

faceman wrote: »

Just to give contrast here in Spain. The Spanish equivalent of the LC was delayed by only a few weeks and given the delay, test results were turned around in 5 days.

Large halls were used and there was 2m social distancing between students. Face masks were mandatory and must be worn properly. This was all supervised.

Guess what? No outbreaks related to students sitting the exams

If a nation ravaged by Coronavirus could take appropriate action to get it done, why can’t ireland?

just cancel it and let the teacher make up a random grade

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings