Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

17-07-2020 09:15AM

PowerToWait wrote: »

I listened to a vox pop on RTE yesterday. Every young person on it was like, going to house pardies, like not huge like, but like, twenny or like thurdy people.

I help coach a university sports team, and in recent weeks they have all been spread over the country at their family homes. Miraculously they all want to get together and train this weekend. Have they all decided to travel from cork and Galway and Belfast for training? Of course not.....I smell a house party. And a weekend long, staying over, house party at that

17-07-2020 09:25AM

PowerToWait wrote: »

I listened to a vox pop on RTE yesterday. Every young person on it was like, going to house pardies, like not huge like, but like, twenny or like thurdy people.

I help coach a university sports team, and in recent weeks they have all been spread over the country at their family homes. Miraculously they all want to get together and train this weekend. Have they all decided to travel from cork and Galway and Belfast for training? Of course not.....I smell a house party. And a weekend long, staying over, house party at that

Hannibal36 · 17-07-2020 09:26AM

faceman wrote: »

All bets are off now on travel. This reeks of Charlie Haughey behaviour.

Has MM not heard of Zoom?

Has he self deemed his trip as essential?

The optics of this are atrocious.

This is pretty squarely sending the message quarantine is nonsense

https://jrnl.ie/5152281

The whole thing at this point is testament to how stupid people are.

It was only a few weeks ago,where the guards were on the roads here sending people back home if it wasn't essential,while at the same time Leo deemed BLM such an important social issue,that it was justified to break all the rules that the rest of the population were having enforced on us by the Gardai.

km79 · 17-07-2020 09:29AM

daheff wrote: »

It's his first time to meet as Taoiseach...so of course he wants to be there in person.

I’m sure plenty of people wanted to be at their relatives funerals too but couldn’t .
It flys in the face of what is being asked of common folk.
To be clear I have no problem whatsoever with restrictions on foreign travel. I think it is the correct course of action . I have a problem with the message this sends out AND the fact he is not following the the stringent self isolation guidelines after

snotboogie · 17-07-2020 09:52AM

gral6 wrote: »

Pubs will not open till at least 2021. Poor Irish people will have to suffer because of this spineless gov which has sacrificied their lives, jobs trying to eradicate the virus what is not possible.

This thread has gone insane. Have you any idea what is going on in the US right now? States like Texas tried the whole "getting on with our lives thing" and this is a sample of the reporting from there this morning:

Across Texas, which reported a rise to 11,000 new cases in one day, US army medics have been deployed to assist with hospital overflow and limited personnel. In the city of San Antonio, where local officials reported hospitals are now at 90% capacity, refrigerated morgue trucks have been requested to park outside hospitals.

Ken Davis, chief medical officer for Christus Health South Texas, told KSAT the bodies would be held at the hospital until they could be picked up, as “there are only so many places to put bodies”.

“It’s a hard thing to talk about,” Davis said. “People’s loved ones are dying. Our funeral homes are out of space.”

As earlier hotspots such as New York City in April found, when pressure ramps up on hospitals quickly, personal protective equipment such as masks, gloves and gowns for medical workers falls short, with some hospitals obliging staff to reuse masks and gowns that are normally disposable, ABC reported.

Deborah Burger, president of National Nurses United, the largest union for registered nurses, told ABC: “In a country that’s this rich with resources, it seems criminal that nurses and healthcare workers are having to make do with cobbled together, non-certified equipment.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/16/us-coronavirus-cases-rise-41-states-republican-convention

The government flattened the curve, their goal was to avoid a situation like the above in Texas, not get things back to normal. If you listened to what they were saying in March it was all about the "new normal" we are not going back to actual pubs (maybe we will get some "socially distanced" solution in a few months) until a vaccine is rolled out or we get a covid free island.

Eradicating the virus is a completely different strategy, one that would require a harsher lockdown but would result in things going back to how they were in 2019 but with travel restrictions.

CruelSummer · 17-07-2020 09:53AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I help coach a university sports team, and in recent weeks they have all been spread over the country at their family homes. Miraculously they all want to get together and train this weekend. Have they all decided to travel from cork and Galway and Belfast for training? Of course not.....I smell a house party. And a weekend long, staying over, house party at that

Imagine the audacity of young people to want to live their lives and get on with things instead of living a caveman type lifestyle. They should be at home in their beds, scared out of their lives watching RTÉ for wall-to-wall unbiased, non-hysterical news, giving us daily clear instructions on what the strategy and overall aims are from our ‘Strong and Stable’ new Government.

munchkin_utd · 17-07-2020 09:55AM

I have a question for those who want zero travel abroad without quarantine for the foreseeable future even from countries with low/ very low infection rates.
When in your opinion is it to be lifted ?

In a month? In a year? When a vaccine comes out? When the virus dissapears from the earth ?
When exactly, or even roughly?

17-07-2020 09:57AM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Imagine the audacity of young people to want to live their lives and get on with things instead of living a caveman type lifestyle. They should be at home in their beds, scared out of their lives watching RTÉ for wall-to-wall unbiased, non-hysterical news, giving us daily clear instructions on what the strategy and overall aims are from our ‘Strong and Stable’ new Government.

I’m not saying it’s a bad thing! This is all about making a mockery of pubs being closed

facehugger99 · 17-07-2020 09:59AM

I really hope all the young people of this country give 2 fingers to the Government and start organizing their own social events and meet-ups.

They have been screwed over for months now and there is seemingly no end in sight for them. Having to listen to pompous curtain-twitchers scolding them must be galling.

Youth is a precious and short-lived commodity and the people who want to sacrifice our young people's futures, waiting for a vaccine that may never be found, should be roundly ignored.

facehugger99 · 17-07-2020 10:02AM

munchkin_utd wrote: »

I have a question for those who want zero travel abroad without quarantine for the foreseeable future even from countries with low/ very low infection rates.
When in your opinion is it to be lifted ?

In a month? In a year? When a vaccine comes out? When the virus dissapears from the earth ?
When exactly, or even roughly?

When the man on the telly tells them it's safe.

robbiezero · 17-07-2020 10:04AM

snotboogie wrote: »

This thread has gone insane. Have you any idea what is going on in the US right now? States like Texas tried the whole "getting on with our lives thing" and this is a sample of the reporting from there this morning:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/16/us-coronavirus-cases-rise-41-states-republican-convention

The government flattened the curve, their goal was to avoid a situation like the above in Texas, not get things back to normal. If you listened to what they were saying in March it was all about the "new normal" we are not going back to actual pubs (maybe we will get some "socially distanced" solution in a few months) until a vaccine is rolled out or we get a covid free island.

Eradicating the virus is a completely different strategy, one that would require a harsher lockdown but would result in things going back to how they were in 2019 but with travel restrictions.

What bad luck for this thread that when you were randomly picking places to compare us to, you happened on Texas.

CruelSummer · 17-07-2020 10:05AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I’m not saying it’s a bad thing! This is all about making a mockery of pubs being closed

Ok fair enough! I agree on that front.

snotboogie · 17-07-2020 10:11AM

robbiezero wrote: »

What bad luck for this thread that when you were randomly picking places to compare us to, you happened on Texas.

Its not a random comparison. Texas tried the "get on with our lives" strategy that most on here seem to want to follow. It has been an absolute disaster and they have needed to impose restrictions to mitigate against the damage the policy caused.

Charles Babbage · 17-07-2020 10:14AM

ednwireland wrote: »

we are already doing those whats your point

His point us that we should stop doing it to prevent the need for a return of more restrictions.

ixoy · 17-07-2020 10:14AM

snotboogie wrote: »

Its not a random comparison. Texas tried the "get on with our lives" strategy that most on here seem to want to follow.

Most here want that? I was under the impression, a few people aside, that most are content enough with a compromise approach like we have now. I certainly am - figure it's the best we'll get for a while.

BattleCorp · 17-07-2020 10:19AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

I really hope all the young people of this country give 2 fingers to the Government and start organizing their own social events and meet-ups.

They have been screwed over for months now and there is seemingly no end in sight for them. Having to listen to pompous curtain-twitchers scolding them must be galling.

Youth is a precious and short-lived commodity and the people who want to sacrifice our young people's futures, waiting for a vaccine that may never be found, should be roundly ignored.

Can you get a pile of glass cases please so we can stick anybody old, or with diabetes or cystic fibrosis, or severe asthma or those recovering from chemo etc. into them to help keep them safe please.

At least that way someone young can go for a few pints in peace.

stephenjmcd · 17-07-2020 10:20AM

snotboogie wrote: »

Its not a random comparison. Texas tried the "get on with our lives" strategy that most on here seem to want to follow. It has been an absolute disaster and they have needed to impose restrictions to mitigate against the damage the policy caused.

Texas... somewhere that never got a first wave under control fully before opening up and you compare Ireland who did get it under control to Texas.

Not exactly like for like now are they. There's living with this and taking the precautions, social distancing hygiene etc or theres open everything up and to hell with it which was the Texas approach. Have the likes of Denmark, Austria and Germany to name only 3 of many Europen countries turned into Texas since opening up with precautions which is what people here want ??

I see your very much still of the covid free mindset pushed by Killeen, which most rational thinking people have already dismissed as a pipe dream seeing as we're a country with an open land border with a jurisdiction implementing a different policy

TomTomTim · 17-07-2020 10:34AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

He comes in to the thread for a low-level troll every morning - can pretty much set your watch by it.

All done with the arrogance of someone who knows everything about everything, while actually knowing little about anything. I can't blame him, after all you can only sniff your own farts for so long before you lose all sense.

17-07-2020 10:38AM

Back in March, we went into lockdown and we were told that we needed to flatten the curve, ensure the hospitals were not overwhelmed, and get our testing and tracing up to speed. I think everybody supported the decision at the time.

By early May, the curve was flattened and hospitals numbers started dropping quickly. A trend that has continued to this very day, with just 8 now in ICU. While it took some time, it seems like we also finally have testing up to speed. We appeared to be moving in the right direction.

But now things have gotten a little confusing again. The decision to delay phase 4 on a day when just 14 new cases were announced was shocking to most people. Also making the masks mandatory. Now the acting CMO is saying that he doesn't see nightclubs opening at all and Leo is saying that pubs might not even open on August 10th.

Based on our actions, It almost feels like we are trying to eradicate the virus. But of course, we are allowing flights into Ireland from Covid hotspots. And we all know that all they need to do is fill a form and promise to isolate. We are also publishing a green list next week... So it will be safe to go to other countries and do as you please, but you still can't go to the pub in Ireland, which is just very bizarre no matter what way you look at things.

So the curve is flattened, and the hospitals are nowhere near overwhelmed, and we obviously aren't aiming for eradication. At least not fully. So what is our plan?

With large groups of people still been forced out of work, I can only imagine that the Covid payments will have to be extended indefinitely. And the banks will be under pressure to continue the payment holidays. I assume we'll be borrowing plenty of billions to do this?

To me, it feels like we are just kicking the can further and further down the road and praying for a vaccine. A vaccine that might not come soon, if at all. Or maybe we are praying the virus will just disappear.

How long is it sustainable for?
Do we have a plan for a scenario were there is no vaccine?
Have we considered who and how of paying the bill back?

It feels to me like we will literally sacrifice everything and anything to stop Covid. But at what cost?

is_that_so · 17-07-2020 10:39AM

faceman wrote: »

All bets are off now on travel. This reeks of Charlie Haughey behaviour.

Has MM not heard of Zoom?

Has he self deemed his trip as essential?

The optics of this are atrocious.

This is pretty squarely sending the message quarantine is nonsense

https://jrnl.ie/5152281

I'd call it essential as it's likely to be a 48 hour EU haggling session over €750bn. You really can't do that over Zoom.

Charles Babbage · 17-07-2020 10:45AM

Deleted User wrote: »

But now things have gotten a little confusing again. The decision to delay phase 4 on a day when just 14 new cases were announced was shocking to most people. Also making the masks mandatory. Now the acting CMO is saying that he doesn't see nightclubs opening at all and Leo is saying that pubs might not even open on August 10th.

That 14 was 50% higher than the previous week.
Only a lunatic would further relax restrictions when the trend is upwards and the decision to delay was not a shock and is supported by the vast majority of the population.

faceman · 17-07-2020 10:46AM

is_that_so wrote: »

I'd call it essential as it's likely to be a 48 hour EU haggling session over €750bn. You really can't do that over Zoom.

Really don’t see why not. But let’s allow it. Why can’t he quarantine on his return?

BattleCorp · 17-07-2020 10:50AM

faceman wrote: »

Really don’t see why not. But let’s allow it. Why can’t he quarantine on his return?

I don't disagree with him going but he should have to restrict his movements the same as everybody else when he comes home from there.

And remember he doesn't travel alone. How much of an entourage will he be bringing? Same rules for them?

s1ippy · 17-07-2020 10:54AM

The frantic people on the thread are now those who are somehow only waking up to the realization that life for the next foreseeable is going to carry increased risk. They're looking for somebody to blame, but sometimes life just presents these challenges and you either rise to them or you fall to pieces.

Keep 2m from people in public and wear a mask. My elderly mother was rushed by a middle aged man in a shop yesterday and he was shouting into her face before she knew it. She said it was like he didn't know you were meant to distance. I doubt he hadn't heard about the masks, more likely he's a "rebel" like some on this thread.

I hope he has that out of his system because it sounds like in a situation where the ignorant endanger people like that, there will soon be consequences. I'm going shopping with her in future anyway and I'll be bringing a walking cane as a melée because apparently it's even more dangerous to tell the idiots not to do something than it is to tell them to do nothing.

This virus does do neurological damage though so I hope the irrational behaviour was as a consequence of their original stupidity and not a newly-found boorishness.

is_that_so · 17-07-2020 10:56AM

faceman wrote: »

Really don’t see why not. But let’s allow it. Why can’t he quarantine on his return?

I imagine like others at that level he has access to instant testing so a bit of a moot point.

is_that_so · 17-07-2020 10:59AM

s1ippy wrote: »

The frantic people on the thread are now those who are somehow only waking up to the realization that life for the next foreseeable is going to carry increased risk. They're looking for somebody to blame, but sometimes life just presents these challenges and you either rise to them or you fall to pieces.

Keep 2m from people in public and wear a mask. My elderly mother was rushed by a middle aged man in a shop yesterday and he was shouting into her face before she knew it. She said it was like he didn't know you were meant to distance. I doubt he hadn't heard about the masks, more likely he's a "rebel" like some on this thread.

I hope he has that out of his system because it sounds like in a situation where the ignorant endanger people like that, there will soon be consequences. I'm going shopping with her in future anyway and I'll be bringing a walking cane as a melée because apparently it's even more dangerous to tell the idiots not to do something than it is to tell them to do nothing.

This virus does do neurological damage though so I hope the irrational behaviour was as a consequence of their original stupidity and not a newly-found boorishness.

All manner of idiocy out there I see.

deckie66 · 17-07-2020 10:59AM

faceman wrote: »

All bets are off now on travel. This reeks of Charlie Haughey behaviour.

Has MM not heard of Zoom?

Has he self deemed his trip as essential?

The optics of this are atrocious.

This is pretty squarely sending the message quarantine is nonsense

https://jrnl.ie/5152281

You do realise that the rest of the EU has moved on. Schools back. Bars and restaurants open. no travel restrictions or quarantine advice. Regional flare ups of Covid dealt with by means of localised lockdowns etc

stargazer 68 · 17-07-2020 11:00AM

is_that_so wrote: »

I imagine like others at that level he has access to instant testing so a bot of a moot point.

Not the point. The Government has said anyone entering the country should isolate for 14 days. I have access to instant testing so can I go abroad tomorrow and not isolate when I come back? Well actually yes I can but the HSE won't let me!

ednwireland · 17-07-2020 11:00AM

faceman wrote: »

Really don’t see why not. But let’s allow it. Why can’t he quarantine on his return?

you dont have to quarantine anymore, if your a tourist or an essential worker restricting movements is enough.
sure simon harris said last night you were allowed to go to the shop if you were restricting movements.

HeidiHeidi · 17-07-2020 11:01AM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

That 14 was 50% higher than the previous week.
Only a lunatic would further relax restrictions when the trend is upwards and the decision to delay was not a shock and is supported by the vast majority of the population.

Trend is the important word. You can't just pick a day's figure, they can vary for many reasons, it's the overall trend that's important.

And the figures for today/ this week are for infections that happened 7-10 days previously, so there's always a delay between actions and their resultant consequences.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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