Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

ixoy wrote: »

What about other European countries where they're travelling outside their own country? And have pubs, etc open? Are they heading for a lockdown too?

Thats not true. Second lockdown in Serbia and in parts of Catalonia. Given Catalonia's current level of increasing cases in the hundreds per day, a full lockdown there is inevitable soon. Don't forget increasing case levels have also resulted in Lisbon's bars and restaurants having to close at 8pm meaning many are just staying closed.Bars, restaurants, gyms and schools all closing for a second time in Israel.

Pubs that serve food are no safer than pubs that don't serve food.

The only reason that pubs that serve food were allowed to open is to give the economy a bit of a boost. To get some more people back to work. It certainly wasn't based on any credible medical evidence.

There'll be really interesting piece by George Lee on the Six one tonight re the extension of pub closure and more specifically the R number ramifications.

BattleCorp wrote: »

Pubs that serve food are no safer than pubs that don't serve food.

The only reason that pubs that serve food were allowed to open is to give the economy a bit of a boost. To get some more people back to work. It certainly wasn't based on any credible medical evidence.

I am of the opinion the intention was to only allow restaurants to open but with some pubs doubling up as restaurants their was no way to differentiate between the two.

I really hope the fall out of this kills ffg politically and many political careers...

So the way I see it, rte and all the media outlets just being as sensationalist as possible, click bait etc.... wait until the budget etc and those morons rte wont see the irony or care , that they are massively risk adverse, it's all about lives, the usual bull****. They will be attacking the government for doing what they are fully supportive of now...

More media madness on Newstalk 106 Matt Cooper . He had a frantic driving instructor saying issues between the student and the student is a problem as 2 meters cannot be possible. Matt was seriously suggesting a perspex glass sheet between the instructor and driver ! (Doesn’t sound dangerous at all does it ? ) Neither the instructor nor Cooper obviously never heard of facial Perspex shields before which would solve the problem instantly.

BattleCorp wrote: »

Pubs that serve food are no safer than pubs that don't serve food.

The only reason that pubs that serve food were allowed to open is to give the economy a bit of a boost. To get some more people back to work. It certainly wasn't based on any credible medical evidence.

So you'd be much happier if nothing was open? Guidelines came via NPHET, if they aren't an authority you're certainly not!

Jackman25 wrote: »

Quote the lie champ.

As for diarrhoea, didnt you get a MOD warning for your absolute scutter all over this forum.

Your continuous and constant lie that I said I've never been to a party which I didn't know everyone.

Scurry away and hide under the shadow of a mod though, rather than admit you're lying.

I have heard of a few wet pubs talking about opening up Monday 20th but they are going to order food from the restaurants/chippers beside them. they are dead right.

if i was ran a wet pub i would be buying a microwave and a few hundred microwave diners and getting back to business.

Jackman25 wrote: »

I wasn't lying, but I did misread your statement below, so I take that back happily and apologize, although I'm not sure what the continuous and constant is about, I mentioned it once.

Cheers, fair play.

I've had a couple of people misrepresent what I said despite me reposting for clarification as to the point I was making, so apologies from me for assuming it was you on more than one occasion.

snotboogie wrote: »

Your point on how this is affecting young people is correct and hugely underrated. People talking about social distancing being not an issue are usually those settled with families who do not socialize much outside of their direct household anyway.

I think this is really apparent from a lot of the people you see discussing this online, its pretty obvious that there are a lot of people with the partner at home, their social life long settled down, working from home yet still smugly pontificating about how pubs aren't needed and that people should have no problem adhering to the governments latest horse****.

They don't really care about it, they have met their partner, they have their kids, they are happy enough with a few mates calling round for a few cans every now and then. And they feel entitled to lecture young people who have absolutely none of that and who now have lost any avenue they once had for getting any of that.

We are taking away the youths education, their social life, their job prospects, their hobbies and basically every other thing that they have going. And then some smug prick on the internet wants to lecture them for losing hope.

bucketybuck wrote: »

I think this is really apparent from a lot of the people you see discussing this online, its pretty obvious that there are a lot of people with the partner at home, their social life long settled down, working from home yet still smugly pontificating about how pubs aren't needed and that people should have no problem adhering to the governments latest horse****.

They don't really care about it, they have met their partner, they have their kids, they are happy enough with a few mates calling round for a few cans every now and then. And they feel entitled to lecture young people who have absolutely none of that and who now have lost any avenue they once had for getting any of that.

We are taking away the youths education, their social life, their job prospects, their hobbies and basically every other thing that they have going. And then some smug prick on the internet wants to lecture them for losing hope.

It is a blindness that all of us who've found this not quite as challenging can have. It's an assumption that there is something wrong with people who can't deal with this as well. When you're young you take risks. Most people I've seen of all ages have not and that's what all of this was about: most people doing the right thing. I wouldn't take it too personally as there is another group out there who'll be targeted soon enough with same accusations.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Yup this is going to happen. Already I know of one place that's after doing a deal with the pizza place beside it. Pay a tenner on the way in, get a €9 voucher, first pint is €1 out of the 10 you've paid. Pizza comes in give over your voucher.

Are they monitoring the 105 minute limit.......

tobefrank321 wrote: »

I think this discussion started off by you saying young people shouldn't have to suck it up longterm which was a response to me saying they should give up on the house parties until there's a vaccine. House parties are a perfect breeding ground for covid 19. Very unlikely they are going to be wearing masks at them. Then they bring it elsewhere such as home and if you have no restrictions they bring it to their grandparents. Before long you have a large cluster as well as countless contacts. This is how you go from one case at the party to dozens of cases.

Its already been shown in pubs in the US.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/17/us/group-tests-positive-florida-bar/index.html



https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/florida-bars-license-suspended-after-41-workers-and-patrons-test-positive-for-covid-19/2252648/



Mask wearing is very common place in the US now, probably more so than Ireland. Hasn't stopped a huge explosion in cases though.

Wouldn't say that with loopers with guns saying it against their human rights, and these mask free parties

charlie14 wrote: »

That will not work as far as I know.
To operate as a restaurant a publican has to apply to the district court for and be granted a restaurant certificate.

it is already happening as far as I know.