Is it just me or have SF vanished?

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You'll no doubt twist this to suit what ever high moral ground you want to point from but in 'essence' here is what I believe. If you can understand the nuance and medium to difficult concept of understanding history and why things happen while still believing it shouldn't have happened and that none of it was 'justified'.

The IRA campaign, particularly in Britain towards the end of the conflict/war did bring pressure to bear on the British. The British had realised that the only solution to a conflict/war that was hurting them was to talk. The history shows their reaction when bombs went off in Britain. Canary Wharf, Manchester even Brighton all had their effects.

It's ok Mark, it is ok to be filled with revulsion and still accept that these actions had cause and effect.

In 'essence' and in the context of above, I do believe that Warrington (which was not intended to kill two young boys) was a part of that 'campaign' to bring Britain to the table in search of a deal/solution.

Now all you need to do is ask yourself or Nationalists if they feel the GFA protects their rights, identity and aspirations.

And there is another exhibit of 'Whatabout' or the sleight of hand of justifying murder. The Provos were right to bomb Warrington, but two bad it killed two boys, but hey hum, that is war...

It is astonishing that you cannot even admit the most basic humane and decent thing that the murder of those two boys did nothing to protect nationalists in the North.

The murder of Lyra McKee did nothing to protect nationalists in the North, do you agree?
How about we start there and we can work backwards?

Truthvader wrote: »

Only the Sinn Fein /IRA criminalised fanbase would regard calling someone an ex Guard as an insult. Thanks for yet another warning flag for all to see

My experience of ex guards is that they are always looking for something for nothing, whether it be a takeaway or new tyres for their car, they are usually involved in occupations that would be considered questionable, debt collection, scrap dealing, bailiffs,
Nothing political in stating that after leaving the Gardai a lot of their members become involved in the less savoury side of society.
Remember I come from a county where the guard's didn't exactly cover themselves in glory

RandomViewer wrote: »

My experience of ex guards is that they are always looking for something for nothing, whether it be a takeaway or new tyres for their car, they are usually involved in occupations that would be considered questionable, debt collection, scrap dealing, bailiffs,
Nothing political in stating that after leaving the Gardai a lot of their members become involved in the less savoury side of society.
Remember I come from a county where the guard's didn't exactly cover themselves in glory

Unlike the brave and glorious IRA. The anti-Guard instinct is built into the DNA of all criminals. Again this leakage is just advertising the mindset of Sinn Fein. Thanks.

markodaly wrote: »

It didn't, at all, in fact it harmed them.

See the difference?
I can categorically state that the murder of Aidan McAnespie did nothing to protect British interests in the North.
Yet for some reason, supporters of SF and the Provos cannot utter the same when it comes to the murder of a 3-year-old Toddler not protecting nationalists in the North.

See the difference?

the only difference i see is you slag off republicans and SF supporters but you dont slag off the very people who shot the lad crossing the border.

in other words all I see is a bit of the hypocritical appearing (you did ask) - aided by the good old throw in a victim caper. I've already told you - we could do that all day. Its a pretty useless, tired and cynical debating method. If its all you have - then why post?

Oh - and just in case its went over your head - not too many people in their right minds likes to see a three year old being killed like that (the word murder could also be used, as long as its used for all deaths and not just some. ) or wishes for it. If thats the way you think republicans think then I'd re-read the last sentence of the last paragraph.

Deleted User wrote: »

Was lyra mckee not shot in crossfire during a riot as the psni went in smashing up peoples houses on holy saturday??


Iirc the psni had a warrent to seize electronic items,but didnt take so much as a mobile phone??

Psni.are only a rebranded ruc,if they keep up that blaggarding

Nope not true. There was no crossfire.

The police were going about their job when a criminal decided to murder one of them. Sadly he was not only an criminal he was also incompetent so he shot Lyra by accident. Like all republican killings there are no witnesses willing to come forward and as is clearly evidenced here it is completely acceptable to some to kill members of the police either side of the border. The greater project being for the local thugs to maintain control and administer "community justice" as it suits them.

markodaly wrote: »

And there is another exhibit of 'Whatabout' or the sleight of hand of justifying murder. The Provos were right to bomb Warrington, but two bad it killed two boys, but hey hum, that is war...

It is astonishing that you cannot even admit the most basic humane and decent thing that the murder of those two boys did nothing to protect nationalists in the North.

The murder of Lyra McKee did nothing to protect nationalists in the North, do you agree?
How about we start there and we can work backwards?

Again you reach for an emotive and selective victim.

Let's hear you say 'It was ALL wrong and unjustified from the begining'.

Where you happy with deaths and oppression before the IRA got involved...or to paraphrase what Maudling chillingly stated after Bloody Sunday..had you an 'acceptable level' of - oppression and violence' .

So why not state that Mark and we can relieve you of the nauseating exploitation of the tragically dead.

Deleted User wrote: »

Its the police job to smash up widowed pensioners home to provoke riots??wtf,glad your no longer a gaurd anyway




Theres is literally widely available video footage of this,so this myth of intimidation is a fallacy tbh mate

Is it?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/05/leona-oneill-new-graffiti-threat-derry-reporter-witnessed-death-of-lyra-mckee


And that's someone who dosn't have to live in their sick community

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Again you reach for an emotive and selective victim.

Let's hear you say 'It was ALL wrong and unjustified from the begining'.

Where you happy with deaths and oppression before the IRA got involved...or to paraphrase what Maudling chillingly stated after Bloody Sunday..had you an 'acceptable level' of - oppression and violence' .

So why not state that Mark and we can relieve you of the nauseating exploitation of the tragically dead.

You love say it was all wrong, yet you cannot admit to yourself that killing innocent people, like Lyra McKee or the two young boys in Warrington does nothing and did nothing for the Nationalist community.

It was all wrong, BUT....
That is your take on it.

Let's take it this way, the killing of a 3-year-old toddler helped the Nationalist community... how?

markodaly wrote: »

This is a SF thread, create a thread about the British Army by all means.



Ah, the whataboutism fallacy.


To your last point, there is a cohort of Irish Republicans and SF supporters who think that the murder of a 3 year old toddler helped Nationalists in the North. How it helped, I don't know but you best ask them.

you are at it again. its a sf thread so that means you have to demand people say sorry for deaths - when its clear to anyone but a lunatic that no-one in their right minds loves the idea of people dying.

i dont really see why you are pointing out that people kill people - in this occasion ... as has been pointed out numerous times so far to you... there were civilian deaths on both sides.

I have no idea where you are going with your line of questioning, other than when people fight, people die ... and thats already plainly and painfully obvious.

Then you post a pic that has nothing to do with anything (im sure in your mind it does mind you). YOU dont like criticism - you asked me about the difference, and I pointed it out. bit of an own goal there.

seriously lad - I'll have to stick you on ignore unless you buck up the standard a bit. Do you just like hearing yourself type or whats the story? (second thoughts, dont answer that)

markodaly wrote: »

You love say it was all wrong, yet you cannot admit to yourself that killing innocent people, like Lyra McKee or the two young boys in Warrington does nothing and did nothing for the Nationalist community.

It was all wrong, BUT....
That is your take on it.

Let's take it this way, the killing of a 3-year-old toddler helped the Nationalist community... how?

Everyone admits it's wrong I don't know why you keep asking.

All you've been saying the last 20 pages on this thread is asking people to justify Warrington.

Boris Johnson has offered millions of Hong Kongers British citizenship......I hope he does the same for the west Brits in Ireland.....

LuasSimon wrote: »

Are Sinn Fein still a republican party anymore?....Definitely in the south they seem more interested in Transgender issues and excusing traveller crime than a United Ireland??

Well they do defend so called Volunteers who showed gratitude to the people in safe houses by raping their kids

FrancieBrady wrote: »

This kind of comment would be like me trying to infer that ALL FFers drink and drive with abandon.
Or that all FGers randomly glass people in pubs.

Yet again, using a sad victim to attack a political party.

The truth upsets you

We should split this thread into a discussion of SF's past and a discussion of their current policy platform.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What 'truth', that like many other organisations a few pedophiles turned up in SF and the heads of the organisation didn't handle it well?

I don’t think any other party has had supporters on here try to claim that it was “unfair” to call someone convicted of raping a minor a paedophile.

No other party knowingly sent a paedo out to canvas for their leader either