FrancieBrady wrote: » You'll no doubt twist this to suit what ever high moral ground you want to point from but in 'essence' here is what I believe. If you can understand the nuance and medium to difficult concept of understanding history and why things happen while still believing it shouldn't have happened and that none of it was 'justified'.The IRA campaign, particularly in Britain towards the end of the conflict/war did bring pressure to bear on the British. The British had realised that the only solution to a conflict/war that was hurting them was to talk. The history shows their reaction when bombs went off in Britain. Canary Wharf, Manchester even Brighton all had their effects. It's ok Mark, it is ok to be filled with revulsion and still accept that these actions had cause and effect. In 'essence' and in the context of above, I do believe that Warrington (which was not intended to kill two young boys) was a part of that 'campaign' to bring Britain to the table in search of a deal/solution. Now all you need to do is ask yourself or Nationalists if they feel the GFA protects their rights, identity and aspirations.
maccored wrote: » how did shooting an unarmed footballer crossing a border help the British?
Truthvader wrote: » Only the Sinn Fein /IRA criminalised fanbase would regard calling someone an ex Guard as an insult. Thanks for yet another warning flag for all to see
dundalkfc10 wrote: » Awh you OK? While the FFG merger and Greens in Govt are a shambles and were not even 3 weeks in. MM with the biggest U turn in a few hours seen since his mate done one at a Garai checkpoint. LV thinking he's in charge, telling us no reason phase 4 won't go ahead, less than 24 hours later, phase 4 will now not go ahead. Eamonn Ryan less than 8 hours after voting against Cowen asw Qs in the Dáil says he has serious Qs to answer. Then you come on here and it's IRA this, IRA that and many of the posters defending everything FFG have went quiet on other threads
RandomViewer wrote: » My experience of ex guards is that they are always looking for something for nothing, whether it be a takeaway or new tyres for their car, they are usually involved in occupations that would be considered questionable, debt collection, scrap dealing, bailiffs, Nothing political in stating that after leaving the Gardai a lot of their members become involved in the less savoury side of society. Remember I come from a county where the guard's didn't exactly cover themselves in glory
Deleted User wrote: » Was lyra mckee not shot in crossfire during a riot as the psni went in smashing up peoples houses on holy saturday?? Iirc the psni had a warrent to seize electronic items,but didnt take so much as a mobile phone?? Psni.are only a rebranded ruc,if they keep up that blaggarding
markodaly wrote: » It didn't, at all, in fact it harmed them. See the difference? I can categorically state that the murder of Aidan McAnespie did nothing to protect British interests in the North. Yet for some reason, supporters of SF and the Provos cannot utter the same when it comes to the murder of a 3-year-old Toddler not protecting nationalists in the North. See the difference?
Truthvader wrote: » They also know that the local IRA have made it clear that anyone giving evidence will meet a similar fate. No doubt Sinn Fein wold urge anyone with information to go to the Guards or PSNI. Strangely no-one ever does
FrancieBrady wrote: » So how did the Gardai, PSNI and IMC get their very assetive information as to what physically happened and who did it? Were they there or is you point about communities living in fear of reprisal bull?
markodaly wrote: » And there is another exhibit of 'Whatabout' or the sleight of hand of justifying murder. The Provos were right to bomb Warrington, but two bad it killed two boys, but hey hum, that is war... It is astonishing that you cannot even admit the most basic humane and decent thing that the murder of those two boys did nothing to protect nationalists in the North. The murder of Lyra McKee did nothing to protect nationalists in the North, do you agree? How about we start there and we can work backwards?
Truthvader wrote: » Unlike the brave and glorious IRA. The anti-Guard instinct is built into the DNA of all criminals. Again this leakage is just advertising the mindset of Sinn Fein. Thanks.
Deleted User wrote: » Its the police job to smash up widowed pensioners home to provoke riots??wtf,glad your no longer a gaurd anyway Theres is literally widely available video footage of this,so this myth of intimidation is a fallacy tbh mate
Deleted User wrote: » Except its not?? Just a childish attempt by yous to shut down debate Why did the psni not take any electronic items,despite having a warrent to do so Why did they smash up the home of a widow in her 60s??its almost as if they wanted a soft target to provoke reaction Why have sf despite promising to hold them to.account,not ever raised this? Why are sinn fein actively encouraging recruitment into a police force,which turns blind eye to people screaming sectarian abuse at kids for playing hurling?? Its a pure joke,
FrancieBrady wrote: » Again you reach for an emotive and selective victim. Let's hear you say 'It was ALL wrong and unjustified from the begining'. Where you happy with deaths and oppression before the IRA got involved...or to paraphrase what Maudling chillingly stated after Bloody Sunday..had you an 'acceptable level' of - oppression and violence' . So why not state that Mark and we can relieve you of the nauseating exploitation of the tragically dead.
maccored wrote: » the only difference i see is you slag off republicans and SF supporters but you dont slag off the very people who shot the lad crossing the border.
in other words all I see is a bit of the hypocritical appearing
markodaly wrote: » This is a SF thread, create a thread about the British Army by all means. Ah, the whataboutism fallacy. To your last point, there is a cohort of Irish Republicans and SF supporters who think that the murder of a 3 year old toddler helped Nationalists in the North. How it helped, I don't know but you best ask them.
markodaly wrote: » You love say it was all wrong, yet you cannot admit to yourself that killing innocent people, like Lyra McKee or the two young boys in Warrington does nothing and did nothing for the Nationalist community. It was all wrong, BUT.... That is your take on it. Let's take it this way, the killing of a 3-year-old toddler helped the Nationalist community... how?
dundalkfc10 wrote: » Ya know SF are doing a fine job when the only form of attack is The IRA Yeah_Right wrote: » They're the same thing.
Yeah_Right wrote: » They're the same thing.
McMurphy wrote: » There you are now, Ireland's Taoiseach back in Feb 2020, publicly called for the IRA to govern the country, while he and his Fine Gael party would take the opposition benches. :pac:
LuasSimon wrote: » Are Sinn Fein still a republican party anymore?....Definitely in the south they seem more interested in Transgender issues and excusing traveller crime than a United Ireland??
Edgware wrote: » Well they do defend so called Volunteers who showed gratitude to the people in safe houses by raping their kids
FrancieBrady wrote: » This kind of comment would be like me trying to infer that ALL FFers drink and drive with abandon. Or that all FGers randomly glass people in pubs. Yet again, using a sad victim to attack a political party.
Edgware wrote: » The truth upsets you
FrancieBrady wrote: » What 'truth', that like many other organisations a few pedophiles turned up in SF and the heads of the organisation didn't handle it well?
blackwhite wrote: » I don’t think any other party has had supporters on here try to claim that it was “unfair” to call someone convicted of raping a minor a paedophile. No other party knowingly sent a paedo out to canvas for their leader either
