Masks

GT89 · 16-07-2020 01:30PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

odyssey06 wrote: »

How did we ever bring in smoking ban on buses if mask wearing is seen as unenforceable?

Ever travelled on the old 78A

Wibbs · 16-07-2020 01:32PM

Yes: other

weldoninhio wrote: »

WHO

Quoting a gobsh1te like Peter Hitchens in support of your position? A guy who continues to think and say that covid19 isn't that serious and the UK government overreacted while they've buried over 40,000 of his fellow Britons because of it.

weldoninhio wrote: »

Three people on ventilators in the entire country because of Covid. THREE.

And I'd personally like to keep it that way myself. Mad notion I grant you.

GT89 · 16-07-2020 01:34PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Wibbs wrote: »

Quoting a gobsh1te like Peter Hitchens in support of your position? A guy who continues to think and say that covid19 isn't that serious and the UK government overreacted while they've buried over 40,000 of his fellow Britons because of it.

It isn't that bad

weldoninhio · 16-07-2020 01:36PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Boggles wrote: »

A letter from who?

Steve from stores?

:pac:

Yep, I am pretty sure you are wearing a mask on the buses to work. Pretty sure.

It was all just internet tough talk and bluster wasn't it?

That's okay though.

I’m on annual leave this week so I haven’t, bsck Monday and I won’t be. I’ll be presenting my letter to any driver that has an issue. We don’t have a “stores” in my clinic. We have do have a store room. It’s about the same size as a box room that I put stationary orders into.

Boggles · 16-07-2020 01:38PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I’m on annual leave this week so I haven’t, bsck Monday and I won’t be. I’ll be presenting my letter to any driver that has an issue. We don’t have a “stores” in my clinic. We have do have a store room. It’s about the same size as a box room that I put stationary orders into.

Who did you get the letter off and what does it say that exempts you from wearing a mask? Do you wear a mask in "my clinic"?

Now, normally I wouldn't ask anyone that, but as you have all ready stated "the letter" is fraudulent and you have no condition that prevents you from wearing a mask.

weldoninhio · 16-07-2020 01:40PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Boggles wrote: »

Who did you get the letter off and what does it say that exempts you from wearing a mask? Do you wear a mask in "my clinic"?

Now, normally I wouldn't ask anyone that, but as you have all ready stated the letter is fraudulent and you have no condition that prevents you from wearing a mask.

Hold on I’ll give you their name so you can make a complaint and it states that I cannot wear a mask due to panic attacks and shortness of breath.

Boggles · 16-07-2020 01:50PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Hold on I’ll give you their name so you can make a complaint and it states that I cannot wear a mask due to panic attacks and shortness of breath.

I'm not going to make a complaint, because it's fictional. :pac:

You are wearing the mask and will continue to, because below that tough internet persona you a good person.

Fair play to you for doing your bit, it's rather minor on the scheme of things to be fair.

odyssey06 · 16-07-2020 01:50PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Hold on I’ll give you their name so you can make a complaint and it states that I cannot wear a mask due to panic attacks and shortness of breath.

Do you think anyone has any respect for your attitude or arguments if you are going to the lengths of professional misconduct to avoid taking a step which may help to protect others and end this crisis?

weldoninhio · 16-07-2020 01:53PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

odyssey06 wrote: »

Do you think anyone has any respect for your attitude or arguments if you are going to the lengths of professional misconduct to avoid taking a step which may help to protect others and end this crisis?

I honestly couldn’t care less. Masks do nothing. They protect no one. There is so few incidences of Covid in the community. This is nonsense to assuage the Chicken Littles, nothing else.

Wibbs · 16-07-2020 02:06PM

Yes: other

GT89 wrote: »

It isn't that bad

You're either on a wind up or... well I don't wish to be unkind about your faculties, but if you truly believe covid19 "isn't that bad" I really don't know what to say to that.

I know four people who died from this. Two were past 80 and while sad, well there it is. The other two were in their 50's. No underlying conditions, not overweight, healthy middle aged men, husbands and fathers and contributors to society. One went downhill pretty rapidly and it was all over in a fortnight, the other poor bugger lasted weeks on a ventilator, only to succumb to a secondary infection. I know another in their forties who is still buggered from it two months on and unlikely to return to work any time soon and they lived for their work and the company they built and the people they employ. I must pass on your belief that it "isn't that bad". Will doubtless come as a comfort to their families and the half million dead worldwide.

Sconsey · 16-07-2020 02:06PM

No: other

weldoninhio wrote: »

Hold on I’ll give you their name so you can make a complaint and it states that I cannot wear a mask due to panic attacks and shortness of breath.

Let me guess, the letter will look sometihing like this:

Patient Name: Walter Mitty
Patient Condition: See name above

Away With The Fairies · 16-07-2020 02:07PM

Yes: valved

weldoninhio wrote: »

I honestly couldn’t care less. Masks do nothing. They protect no one. There is so few incidences of Covid in the community. This is nonsense to assuage the Chicken Littles, nothing else.

You sound like someone who thinks the virus is a hoax. You know what happened to someone in America who thought like that? Life didn't really work out all that well for them.

odyssey06 · 16-07-2020 02:08PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I honestly couldn’t care less. Masks do nothing. They protect no one. There is so few incidences of Covid in the community. This is nonsense to assuage the Chicken Littles, nothing else.

The argument about the incidences of Covid in the community has it backwards.
Masks are about keeping the cases low, keeping the R value under 1.
This is about bolting the stable door.

Maybe it will turn out masks were not effective, but the authorities are adopting the precautionary principle, an entirely valid thing to do.

For example, hairdressers in the US who were infected with Covid did not pass on the virus to the 140 customers they saw. Some combination of them wearing masks, staggered appointments, social distancing did the trick. We don't have time right now to disentangle exactly what % effective each of the above measures were. Masks are one of the weapons we are throwing at this and it might stick, they are cheap, abundant, and cause no economic disruption.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/no-new-covid-19-cases-reported-after-infected-hair-stylists-n1230346

16-07-2020 02:13PM

Yes: valved

Deleted User wrote: »

Spend 5 minutes or less in a shop socially distanced, you gotta wear a mask. Can sit in a restaurant for 105 minutes and not be expected to wear one for practical reason such as eating. Makes complete sense to me :rolleyes:

You're right. We should be wearing a mask in a restaurant too.

Hrududu · 16-07-2020 02:16PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

https://www.marktaliano.net/masks-dont-work-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covid-19-social-policy-by-denis-rancourt-phd-11-june-2020/

All the numerous studies above are wrong then??

There are a lot of studies in that link so I couldn’t read them all. I did read the first five and it looks like all the studies concern the effectiveness of wearing masks to stop you catching a virus. Whereas in my post I pointed out that you don’t wear a mask to stop you catching the virus. You wear one to prevent you spreading the virus.

The 2nd link on that page says “There is some evidence to support the wearing of masks or respirators during illness to protect others, and public health emphasis on mask wearing during illness may help to reduce influenza virus transmission“

Like I said I didn’t have time to read any more than a handful so the rest could all be different but from the looks of it it shows us what people have been saying. Wearing a mask won’t help too much to stop a person catching it. But may help to prevent you spreading it.

odyssey06 · 16-07-2020 02:18PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You're right. We should be wearing a mask in a restaurant too.

Probably should be until seated at your table or when if going out to the toilets etc
Presuming at your table you are static and socially distanced.

Arrival · 16-07-2020 02:25PM

na1 wrote: »

There was a video few pages down about homemade 'masks' and their efficiency.
And after leaving the shop, people tend to pull the mask down with their bare hands, touching their faces etc, and then pulling mask up again when they enter another shop or bus. This makes the 'mask' efficiency from (for example) 10% to 0%.

It's up to the individual to take responsibility for themselves, but this issue only concerns the individual since they're risking infecting themselves by not practicing correct mask etiquette, but as long as they have the barrier over their nose and mouth they're still playing their part to help reduce the possibility of them unknowingly spreading the virus to others if they happen to be infected and aren't aware of that. More of an effort to raise awareness on this should definitely be made by the HSE, and the Taoiseach should really be going over all of this in one of the public addresses

iamwhoiam · 16-07-2020 02:41PM

Just been to B and Q , about 3 out 4 people had masks on .What was striking that anyone over 50 or so had them on and the younger age group 20 to 45 mostly did not

thomasdylan · 16-07-2020 02:46PM

The only medical reasons I can think of not to wear a mask are severe autism and intellectual disability.

khalessi · 16-07-2020 02:54PM

Yes: surgical

thomasdylan wrote: »

The only medical reasons I can think of not to wear a mask are severe autism and intellectual disability.

Even then there are exceptions. I was in a take away waiting to order food last week with SD in place and everyone had masks. In front of me in the queue there was a gentleman with Down Syndrome and his assistant. I had watched them walk up the road both wearing masks. We queued and waited about 20 minutes for chips and in that time he didn't touch his mask though he did discuss it with his assistant, so in the case of autism and ID, it would be individual to the person and the person, their family or carers would best decide.

Gael23 · 16-07-2020 03:11PM

E you wearing cloth or disposable masks?

odyssey06 · 16-07-2020 03:15PM

Gael23 wrote: »

E you wearing cloth or disposable masks?

These disposable ones from Boots... they have an adjustable nose bridge which I find helpful re: glasses not fogging up.
Also, apparently if you have hayfever they might help too.

https://www.boots.ie/lyncmed-disposable-face-masks-50-pack-10285086

MadYaker · 16-07-2020 03:23PM

Yes: surgical

“We don’t need masks because the case numbers are so low, we should wait until they get really high, you know when it’s too late”

Honestly so many dumb people in this thread.

Multipass · 16-07-2020 03:24PM

thomasdylan wrote: »

The only medical reasons I can think of not to wear a mask are severe autism and intellectual disability.

They can cause panic attacks - I won’t be going into any shops anymore because of this, I don’t want to pass out in public.

odyssey06 · 16-07-2020 03:31PM

Multipass wrote: »

They can cause panic attacks - I won’t be going into any shops anymore because of this, I don’t want to pass out in public.

I think I'd be more likely to have a panic attack if I found out I had coronavirus... that's one of the reasons I wear a mask and want others to do so where social distancing not always possible \ sustained.

Gael23 · 16-07-2020 03:32PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

These disposable ones from Boots... they have an adjustable nose bridge which I find helpful re: glasses not fogging up.
Also, apparently if you have hayfever they might help too.

https://www.boots.ie/lyncmed-disposable-face-masks-50-pack-10285086

I was just about to pay €44 for the same amount!

odyssey06 · 16-07-2020 03:34PM

Anyone capable of using of public transport and shopping on their own is capable of wearing a face covering.

“IF I CAN WEAR A MASK, WHY CAN’T EVERYONE ELSE?”
https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/13/21314477/shoppers-suing-legal-masks-doctors-coronavirus-pittsburgh-discrimination

Sally Wenzel, the director of the University of Pittsburgh Asthma Institute at UPMC and chair of the Department of Environmental and Occupational Health at the University of Pittsburgh Graduate School of Public Health, says for the standard face coverings most people are using, there’s only a tiny percentage of patients who would not be able to safely wear them.
“I see asthma patients twice a week, and I have yet to have a single patient come in not wearing a mask,” Wenzel said. “They want to wear masks. They want other people to wear masks. One asthma patient complained to me, ‘If I can wear a mask, why can’t everyone else?’”
There’s one caveat: Wenzel says that N95 face masks, the type used by medical professionals which fit snugly on the face, could pose breathing difficulties for some patients with obstructive lung diseases because of how the masks fit and how thick the mesh lining is. But most people aren’t using these masks during a trip to the grocery store, she notes. Wenzel advises that if a patient’s asthma is so severe that a standard cloth mask prevents them from breathing properly — which she says only includes about 1 percent of asthma patients — then they should be staying home anyway since the risk of them developing severe COVID-19 symptoms may be higher.
...
There are also few psychiatric conditions that would make wearing a mask harmful, according to Robert Hudak, medical director for the Center for OCD and Related Disorders at UPMC Western Psychiatric Hospital. He said there are so few people who have a condition that prevents them from wearing a mask that it’s not worth writing exemptions into law...
He added that the only patients he and his staff may recommend shouldn’t wear face masks are those with profound intellectual disabilities, including those who are non-verbal and have pica, a disorder where people eat items that are not food.

Multipass · 16-07-2020 03:39PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

I think I'd be more likely to have a panic attack if I found out I had coronavirus... that's one of the reasons I wear a mask and want others to do so where social distancing not always possible \ sustained.

Yeah, you don’t really know what a panic attack is do you? (Hint, it’s not feeling panicky.)

odyssey06 · 16-07-2020 03:46PM

Multipass wrote: »

Yeah, you don’t really know what a panic attack is do you? (Hint, it’s not feeling panicky.)

Well no reason to panic about wearing a mask then.

"Mask-wearing is not a trigger for panic attacks.”
- Robert Hudak, medical director for the Center for OCD and Related Disorders at UPMC Western Psychiatric Hospital

khalessi · 16-07-2020 03:48PM

Yes: surgical

odyssey06 wrote: »

Anyone capable of using of public transport and shopping on their own is capable of wearing a face covering.

“IF I CAN WEAR A MASK, WHY CAN’T EVERYONE ELSE?”
https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/13/21314477/shoppers-suing-legal-masks-doctors-coronavirus-pittsburgh-discrimination

Sally Wenzel, the director of the University of Pittsburgh Asthma Institute at UPMC and chair of the Department of Environmental and Occupational Health at the University of Pittsburgh Graduate School of Public Health, says for the standard face coverings most people are using, there’s only a tiny percentage of patients who would not be able to safely wear them.
“I see asthma patients twice a week, and I have yet to have a single patient come in not wearing a mask,” Wenzel said. “They want to wear masks. They want other people to wear masks. One asthma patient complained to me, ‘If I can wear a mask, why can’t everyone else?’”
There’s one caveat: Wenzel says that N95 face masks, the type used by medical professionals which fit snugly on the face, could pose breathing difficulties for some patients with obstructive lung diseases because of how the masks fit and how thick the mesh lining is. But most people aren’t using these masks during a trip to the grocery store, she notes. Wenzel advises that if a patient’s asthma is so severe that a standard cloth mask prevents them from breathing properly — which she says only includes about 1 percent of asthma patients — then they should be staying home anyway since the risk of them developing severe COVID-19 symptoms may be higher.
...
There are also few psychiatric conditions that would make wearing a mask harmful, according to Robert Hudak, medical director for the Center for OCD and Related Disorders at UPMC Western Psychiatric Hospital. He said there are so few people who have a condition that prevents them from wearing a mask that it’s not worth writing exemptions into law...
He added that the only patients he and his staff may[B] recommend shouldn’t wear face masks are those with profound intellectual disabilities[/B], including those who are non-verbal and have pica, a disorder where people eat items that are not food.

FYP

As stated earlier that should be left to the individual or their family or carer to decide as they know what they can handle.

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