Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

NegativeCreep · 16-07-2020 11:31AM

hmmm wrote: »

Yes. Seated table service, limited time indoors, less alcohol so better at social distancing, less likelihood of singing, shouting at matches etc. all decreases risk.

This phase is meant to be about restaurants. The pubs which are operating as pubs by allowing people to sit there all night just drinking, but pretending to be restaurants, are not operating within the intention of reopening in this phase.

So table service with pints and turn the tellys off? This phase was about restaurants and that’s grand. But the next phase on Monday was supposed to be about pubs.

LiquidZeb · 16-07-2020 11:31AM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Anything but an internet intellectual. My keyboard is for typing, not hiding behind.

But yes. People are idiots. Sure to quote Tommy Lee Jones from Men in Black 1: "a person can be smart but people are dumb"

But do you need examples of the world's stupidity? ... Cause there are a lot dude.

And there are just as many examples of people pulling together and doing what has to be done for the greater good. As has been happening here for the past 4 months with little complaint from the majority of the population, credit where it's due.

mloc123 · 16-07-2020 11:34AM

Watching the Scottish update here... They have over 600 people in hospital compared to our.. 13?

stephenjmcd · 16-07-2020 11:36AM

Boggles wrote: »

Yes, controlled restaurants or pubs acting like them are far less likely to spread the virus than pubs.

I fail to see how that could confuse anyone what has been in an Irish pub.

So my €9 chicken wings are stopping the virus ?? Get a grip a portion of €9 food makes no odds if someone's going to get drunk or not.

The only difference on Monday would have been no food, still would have had social distancing, table service, everything that's in place already.

So please tell me how that €9 portion of food makes any difference when you've every other measure in place.

Likewise goes for Leo here

https://twitter.com/SeanDefoe/status/1283720880275816450?s=19

stephenjmcd · 16-07-2020 11:39AM

Not even a day in already
https://twitter.com/SeanDefoe/status/1283724905842958336?s=19

YFlyer · 16-07-2020 11:40AM

Work colleague was in Tramore last weekend. Said that there was no social distancing or cleaning seats at the amusement park.

US2 · 16-07-2020 11:41AM

I think the food thing and time limit is making people get more drunk. Seen plenty friends on social media posting their receipts. Maybe a pizza or chips and wings plus 6 pints, 3 whiskeys, a bottle of wine. All consumed at rapid speed. In and out of the shared toilet every few mins.

hmmm · 16-07-2020 11:41AM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

So table service with pints and turn the tellys off? This phase was about restaurants and that’s grand. But the next phase on Monday was supposed to be about pubs.

Table service, tellies off, time limits - that would work I think, but how would you enforce it? The vitners themselves could do with coming forward with suggestions to how they would police their industry - there's a lot of pubs taking the piss in the current phase, that has to have influenced government opinion. It's the more responsible pubs which are losing out ultimately.

mloc123 · 16-07-2020 11:41AM

YFlyer wrote: »

Work colleague was in Tramore last weekend. Said that there was no social distancing or cleaning seats at the amusement park.

Hope they used common sense and avoided it so...

Boggles · 16-07-2020 11:42AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

So my €9 chicken wings are stopping the virus ?? Get a grip a portion of €9 food makes no odds if someone's going to get drunk or not.

The only difference on Monday would have been no food, still would have had social distancing, table service, everything that's in place already.

Really, where did you get a copy of the guidelines?

caveat emptor · 16-07-2020 11:43AM

I'd say the vintners will join forces with scientists and start pushing for a zero covid island.

It's either that or remain shut for the foreseeable. The virus isn't going to change how it's transmitted.

Better to curtail the losses and let the alcoholics in that you know rather than the alcoholics you don't.

Their business model probably follows the Pareto principal.

i.e 20% of people drink 80% of the pints.

JP Liz V1 · 16-07-2020 11:43AM

I may have heard wrong but is R number now 1.8 with 116 suspected cases, Virgin Media News

hmmm · 16-07-2020 11:43AM

US2 wrote: »

I think the food thing and time limit is making people get more drunk. Seen plenty friends on social media posting their receipts. Maybe a pizza or chips and wings plus 6 pints, 3 whiskeys, a bottle of wine. All consumed at rapid speed. In and out of the shared toilet every few mins.

Probably giving out about why the other pubs aren't reopening and not realising how their own actions have scared the government into not allowing it.

Until we see it as shameful/anti-social to be posting something like this rather than boasting about it, we have a problem getting pubs open.

stephenjmcd · 16-07-2020 11:44AM

Boggles wrote: »

Really, where did you get a copy of the guidelines?

Its not rocket science now is it ??

What would have changed except the food ?

You'd still have to sit at your table, no moving around up to the bar, book if required, details for contact tracing.

All common sense isn't it.

They were hardly going to open up without these measures in place no were they

caveat emptor · 16-07-2020 11:45AM

hmmm wrote: »

Table service, tellies off, time limits - that would work I think, but how would you enforce it? The vitners themselves could do with coming forward with suggestions to how they would police their industry - there's a lot of pubs taking the piss in the current phase, that has to have influenced government opinion. It's the more responsible pubs which are losing out ultimately.

I'd also add. Make it mandatory to open all the windows. I'm sure most wouldn't have a problem with that. Customers would happily wear a jacket if they could get a skinful.

I think pubs haven't really changed in hundreds of years so are most resistant to change.
The smoking ban aside. It's not that different though either. Sitting around breathing in air that could potentially kill you.

AlmightyCushion · 16-07-2020 11:46AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Not even a day in already
https://twitter.com/SeanDefoe/status/1283724905842958336?s=19

That was always the case. When the phases get implement and what gets implemented in each phase are conditional. If the virus ends up spreading like wildfire between now and August 10th, did you really think the government would allow the pubs to open because they said that was when they would open?

If the daily new cases stay at roughly the same level as they are now, then I think it is safe to say the pubs will open then.

is_that_so · 16-07-2020 11:46AM

France getting masked up in indoor places now.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0716/1153590-coronavirus-world/

Boggles · 16-07-2020 11:47AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Its not rocket science now is it ??

What would have changed except the food ?

You'd still have to sit at your table, no moving around up to the bar, book if required, details for contact tracing.

All common sense isn't it.

They were hardly going to open up without these measures in place no were they

So you know for an absolute fact everything would remain the same, including the time limit?

Because the publicans I know had no fúcking idea what was happening.

Also it's fairly farcical to suggest that all pubs not acting like restaurants would adhere to any strict guidance.

Spoiler: They wouldn't.

ACitizenErased · 16-07-2020 11:48AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I may have heard wrong but is R number now 1.8 with 116 suspected cases, Virgin Media News

The 116 cases is ridiculous, the media have no idea what it means. Every single person who enters hospital is a suspected case. There’s 116 in hospital awaiting test results.
https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid-19-daily-operations-update-2000-15-july-2020.pdf

Whitters22 · 16-07-2020 11:52AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The 116 cases is ridiculous, the media have no idea what it means. Every single person who enters hospital is a suspected case. There’s 116 in hospital awaiting test results.
https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid-19-daily-operations-update-2000-15-july-2020.pdf

And per a tweet from Gavan Reilly that 116 is just slightly higher than the record low for this statistic. I don't know how VM reported it but a negative headline has been made out of a positive scenario. Same old scaremongering.

SeaBreezes · 16-07-2020 11:53AM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

So because a place sells food for 9 quid they’re less likely to spread the virus than a place that doesn’t? Makes loads of sense and is definitely a reason to keep thousands of people out of a job and keep them on the Covid payment that we have the pleasure of paying.

Also who said the restrictions would be far more lax? That’s your own conjuring

They are trying to avoid scenes like this:

https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1283003807027343360

JP Liz V1 · 16-07-2020 11:55AM

Do food pubs close earlier than 11.30/12.30?

Whitters22 · 16-07-2020 11:55AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I may have heard wrong but is R number now 1.8 with 116 suspected cases, Virgin Media News

It also has been discussed ad nauseum here that the R metric isn't the most accurate when the base level of cases is low.

Drumpot · 16-07-2020 12:00PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

They’re scared ****-less about the long weekend. That’s the only reason it’s been pushed back.

Maybe , I wonder aswell are they sacrificing pubs to make sure there’s no surge before schools re-open.

Regardless of what people think of the decision, pubs are not ideal environments to try and reduce the spread of the virus. You can’t really regulate house parties but you can regulate pubs.

Asides from that, I think everybody agrees that opening schools in sept in imperative for our economy. Maybe it’s believed that opening up pubs offers less rewards in comparison to the potential risk of a rise in numbers that happen 2-4 weeks after which may spook parents around the time schools are opening.

It’s poor planning for the publicans and as I said poor communication from the authorities. They are treating us like mushrooms and keeping us in the dark. I’m not suggesting a conspiracy, it’s just poorly managed strategy certainly from a communication perspective

Boggles · 16-07-2020 12:00PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Do food pubs close earlier than 11.30/12.30?

No.

From what I have heard some choose to close up 2 hours after last food hours, usually 10 or 11.

Others if you get last orders of the food they will leave you in there until closing.

For people thinking non food serving pubs will operate the exact same way as restaurants, they won't. Because it is not viable.

YFlyer · 16-07-2020 12:01PM

mloc123 wrote: »

Hope they used common sense and avoided it so...

I must ask him.

Boggles · 16-07-2020 12:03PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Maybe , I wonder aswell are they sacrificing pubs to make sure there’s no surge before schools re-open.

There is no real reason to wonder, Donnelly came out and said exactly that, this morning as did Harris.

AlmightyCushion · 16-07-2020 12:05PM

Whitters22 wrote: »

It also has been discussed ad nauseum here that the R metric isn't the most accurate when the base level of cases is low.

That is true but the 7 day moving average has been increasing steadily for the past 3 weeks. 3 weeks ago it was in the single figures, now it is as 20. That shows the virus is spreading more. It might not be a problem and it might stay at that level but it is better to delay the opening of pubs to be sure of that. Because if it is not staying stable at that level, then if the spread is increasing as it is and you throw opening the pubs on top of that it will just exacerbate the issue.

caveat emptor · 16-07-2020 12:07PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Maybe , I wonder aswell are they sacrificing pubs to make sure there’s no surge before schools re-open.

Regardless of what people think of the decision, pubs are not ideal environments to try and reduce the spread of the virus. You can’t really regulate house parties but you can regulate pubs.

Asides from that, I think everybody agrees that opening schools in sept in imperative for our economy. Maybe it’s believed that opening up pubs offers less rewards in comparison to the potential risk of a rise in numbers that happen 2-4 weeks after which may spook parents around the time schools are opening.

It’s poor planning for the publicans and as I said poor communication from the authorities. They are treating us like mushrooms and keeping us in the dark. I’m not suggesting a conspiracy, it’s just poorly managed strategy certainly from a communication perspective

I'd agree with all of that.
They are triaging the economy.
With school opening so close they aren't risking the pubs as an additional risk to this.

If they really want to help publicans then they should allow them to use open space where possible to serve drinks. Like parks opposite pubs. Even fields etc.
This is a non linear problem and they should really start thinking of solutions with virus in mind. I know weather is ****e here but use marquees like weddings etc with the walls open. It's windy here so open air is much less risky.

Given all the events are postponed, event organisers would benefit too.

They'd really want to be looking at solutions for the next 2 / 3 years.

Duke of Url · 16-07-2020 12:08PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

So my €9 chicken wings are stopping the virus ?? Get a grip a portion of €9 food makes no odds if someone's going to get drunk or not.

I agree. They should be all shut again.

Impaired judgement caused by drinking is a recipe for disaster within a pub during a pandemic.

All other industry's seem to have a a creditable process in place based on health and safety for the customers.

I and many others dont see this in the pub industry.

Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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