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  • #4652
    na1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 921 ✭✭✭na1


    Hurrache wrote: »
    I don't care if you agree with me or not, you're posting nonsense.

    Its just your opinion, which even doctors don't agree with:
    anyone with breathing difficulties, disabled people and babies are among those who don't have to wear a face mask in shops or on public transport.


  • #4653
    eldamo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,134 ✭✭✭eldamo


    No: other
    na1 wrote: »
    I never saw a smoker collapsed while smoking, does it mean that smoking is harmless?
    that is a hell of a false equivalence.


  • #4654
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    na1 wrote: »
    Its just your opinion, which even doctors don't agree with:

    You're rowing back from saying
    masks are dangerous to your health!
    ...
    They reduce the % of the oxygen in the air you breath


  • #4655
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Yes: valved
    Are people too self conscious to wear masks or what.

    Was in a waiting room today with one more person and we got chatting and I just mentioned that nobody wearing masks. I was the only person wearing a mask and they said that they had their mask in her handbag.

    I got so used to speaking my mind on the internet that I told them that the handbag wasn't the place for face masks.

    People talk about mental health and anxiety for not wearing masks. I have anxiety with people not wearing masks and when you hear that someone has a mask and it's in their handbag in an enclosed area.


  • #4656
    na1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 921 ✭✭✭na1


    khalessi wrote: »
    Masks do not cause oxygen levels to drop see the video below and there are plenty more on the internet.

    Do you have a solid proof rather than youtube videos with 02 tester?
    The levels of inhaling oxygen is definitely less with a mask, and this is the fact that any doctor can confirm.

    If you don't believe me talk to professional athletes? Why don't they wear masks?
    Why do soccer players refuse to wear masks during the game?
    They are at risk during the close contact, but they don't wear masks though?


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  • #4657
    na1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 921 ✭✭✭na1


    Hurrache wrote: »
    You're rowing back from saying

    ??
    What exactly is wrong?

    masks reduce the % of Oxygen?
    reduced oxygen makes damage to your health?

    Why the Irish GAA/soccer players as still not using masks then?

    There are 2 factors involved:
    -the exhaled Co2 stays closer to you mouth making you to inhale more CO2.
    -the breathing is more difficult due to the mask restricting the air flow.


  • #4658
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,702 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Lots of reasons athletes might not wear a mask. Running around at high speed for 90 minutes it's going to get hot and sweaty.
    Plus it may affect their ability shout abuse at the ref or opposing corner forward.
    The strings may get entangled with another player's hands during challenges.
    Risk of close contact transmission outdoors is very low.

    Besides, even if it did have a small affect on athletic performance (and I'm not saying it does), it would have zero transferrability to their general use in enclosed places such as public transport or small shops.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #4659
    na1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 921 ✭✭✭na1


    Hurrache wrote: »

    I doubt you do.
    Let me ask you why do you regularly change the air filter in your car? Or you don't?


  • #4660
    na1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 921 ✭✭✭na1


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    Lots of reasons athletes might not wear a mask. Running around at high speed for 90 minutes it's going to get hot and sweaty.
    .
    Tell this to biathlon athletes?
    They actually would LOVE to make the inhaled air warmer. Because cold air does damage their lungs.


  • #4661
    timetogo1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 892 ✭✭✭timetogo1


    No: I don't care enough
    na1 wrote: »
    Do you have a solid proof rather than youtube videos with 02 tester?
    The levels of inhaling oxygen is definitely less with a mask, and this is the fact that any doctor can confirm.

    If you don't believe me talk to professional athletes? Why don't they wear masks?
    Why do soccer players refuse to wear masks during the game?
    They are at risk during the close contact, but they don't wear masks though?

    Ok, can we all agree that the guys objecting to wearing masks in shops are not performing at the capacity of professional athletes.

    Well, it appears there are some mental gymnastics going on but that doesn't count.


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  • #4662
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,702 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    na1 wrote: »
    Tell this to biathlon athletes?
    They actually would LOVE to make the inhaled air warmer. Because cold air does damage their lungs.

    That would be a matter for biathlon athletes to regulate themselves. Does it get pretty crowded outside on biathlon circuits?

    Anyhow, if someone's breathing difficulties are so bad they cannot wear a mask during everyday activities like using a bus or shopping, probably they should still be avoiding enclosed public places as if they did get coronavirus their outcome doesn't look good.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #4663
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Yes: surgical
    na1 wrote: »
    Do you have a solid proof rather than youtube videos with 02 tester?
    The levels of inhaling oxygen is definitely less with a mask, and this is the fact that any doctor can confirm.

    If you don't believe me talk to professional athletes? Why don't they wear masks?
    Why do soccer players refuse to wear masks during the game?
    They are at risk during the close contact, but they don't wear masks though?

    Really doctors can confirm this, really!!!?

    So far doctors are the ones calling bull**** on this because it is bull**** and they wear masks for most of their day.

    If I want someone to run fast and show me how I will ask an athelete, if I want medical advice I ask a doctor

    You are a silly boy for thinking masks cause oxygen depletion and honestly I just think you are trolling for the craic. I think I will use my own medical expertise and experience before asking an athlete.

    BTW when you need medical advice do you go to your local running club or football ground?


  • #4664
    na1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 921 ✭✭✭na1


    timetogo1 wrote: »
    Ok, can we all agree that the guys objecting to wearing masks in shops are not performing at the capacity of professional athletes.
    You wouldn't believe me but some people do have life threatening conditions if they wear masks. And they are not athletes.
    For an ordinary healthy person its just a small health damage, like passive smoking or climbing the over 5k meters altitude with lower oxygen in the air. but its still a damage!


  • #4665
    na1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 921 ✭✭✭na1


    khalessi wrote: »
    Really doctors can confirm this, really!!!?
    Really! If you don't believe the doctors, believe the mechaincs who change the air filter in your car?
    Ask them why do they change it, if it makes no difference to the engine performance?
    Are they trolling?


  • #4666
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    He's an obvious troll but I might weigh in for the craic. I need to keep my skills sharp for dealing with 11-year-old muppets in class after the summer.


  • #4667
    na1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 921 ✭✭✭na1


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    That would be a matter for biathlon athletes to regulate themselves..
    Then why government regulate the public transport? Lets public transport users regulate themselves?


  • #4668
    Seanergy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    Yes: valved
    na1 wrote: »
    Do you have a solid proof rather than youtube videos with 02 tester?
    The levels of inhaling oxygen is definitely less with a mask, and this is the fact that any doctor can confirm.

    If you don't believe me talk to professional athletes? Why don't they wear masks?
    Why do soccer players refuse to wear masks during the game?
    They are at risk during the close contact, but they don't wear masks though?

    Why do soccer players fall down and roll around on the ground, because they never played hurling.


  • #4669
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    na1 wrote: »
    ??
    What exactly is wrong?

    masks reduce the % of Oxygen?

    Sigh....
    Hurrache wrote: »
    Several doctors, who wear masks daily for years, have posted videos showing them putting on masks, testing their blood oxygen levels at different points, and showing no issue. One guy even wore several masks simultaneously without a problem.

    https://twitter.com/drjoshuawolrich/status/1281310674833063939


  • #4670
    na1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 921 ✭✭✭na1


    Deleted User wrote: »
    He's an obvious troll but I might weigh in for the craic. I need to keep my skills sharp for dealing with 11-year-old muppets in class after the summer.

    Can you point to the false statement here:

    -mask makes an obstacle oh the inhaled/exhaled air flow.
    -mask makes the smaller inhaled air volume with the same muscle efforts made by the body.
    -the inhaled air has less % of the oxygen (with increased % of CO2)
    -lower % oxygen causes Hypoxemia


  • #4671
    Madison Acidic Hairbrush
    Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Madison Acidic Hairbrush


    I know a few of ye are averse to even rudimentary science but...

    https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1283378279056134145


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  • #4672
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,702 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    na1 wrote: »
    Then why government regulate the public transport? Lets public transport users regulate themselves?

    I think you answered your own query there.

    And if there some tiny number of individuals for whom masks present such a life threatening obstacle to breathing, and I'm not saying there are, regardless, a bus would be no place for them in an outbreak of a severe respiratory virus.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #4673
    na1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 921 ✭✭✭na1


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Sigh....
    How long do they wear a mask?
    I never saw a doctor wearing mask 24/7. Mostly during medical routines.
    It might drop the oxygen levels and recover back when you remove it.


  • #4674
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    na1 wrote: »
    How long do they wear a mask?
    I never saw a doctor wearing mask 24/7. Mostly during medical routines.
    It might drop the oxygen levels and recover back when you remove it.

    How long do you spend in a shop or a bus?
    I never saw a shopper or passenger wearing a mask 24/7.
    I never saw a citizen abducted and have one permanently grafted to their face either.


  • #4675
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,702 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    na1 wrote: »
    How long do they wear a mask?
    I never saw a doctor wearing mask 24/7. Mostly during medical routines.
    It might drop the oxygen levels and recover back when you remove it.

    It's ok, the people you are concerned about won't be wearing them either 24/7.
    And probably for their own health should avoid biathlons, masked or unmasked.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #4676
    na1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 921 ✭✭✭na1


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    And if there some tiny number of individuals for whom masks present such a life threatening obstacle to breathing, and I'm not saying there are, regardless, a bus would be no place for them in an outbreak of a severe respiratory virus.

    We need to cancel all travel cards! Lets disable people stay at home! Shouldn't be using public transport for free!


  • #4677
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Yes: surgical
    na1 wrote: »
    Can you point to the false statement here:

    -mask makes an obstacle oh the inhaled/exhaled air flow.
    -mask makes the smaller inhaled air volume with the same muscle efforts made by the body.
    -the inhaled air has less % of the oxygen (with increased % of CO2)
    -lower % oxygen causes Hypoxemia

    Ohhh golly gosh, trolling level is high in this one.

    Well I wish you luck getting medical advice from your mechanic, local running club and football club, I think I will rely on science and the joy of wearing masks for a living when I worked in hospitals and was surrounded by other medical professionals who wore them. Mad I know but sure if I get stuck I will get the number off you for your running club:rolleyes:


  • #4678
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,185 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    No: other
    na1 wrote: »
    How long do they wear a mask?
    I never saw a doctor wearing mask 24/7. Mostly during medical routines.
    It might drop the oxygen levels and recover back when you remove it.

    I'm pretty sure we can keep playing this game all day
    Hurrache wrote: »
    A cross post from another thread to fight off the ignorance and misinformation......



    Several doctors, who wear masks daily for years, have posted videos showing them putting on masks, testing their blood oxygen levels at different points, and showing no issue. One guy even wore several masks simultaneously without a problem.

    https://twitter.com/drjoshuawolrich/status/1281310674833063939


  • #4679
    na1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 921 ✭✭✭na1


    Hurrache wrote: »
    How long do you spend in a shop or a bus?
    I never saw a shopper or passenger wearing a mask 24/7.
    I never saw a citizen abducted and have one permanently grafted to their face either.

    The fact that oxygen levels recovers to normal doesn't mean that it makes no damage while it was low.

    people can hold the breath for several minutes, does that mean that breathing was not necessary?


  • #4680
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,185 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    No: other
    It never goes low. Have a read here, we'll keep reposting it till you do:
    Hurrache wrote: »
    A cross post from another thread to fight off the ignorance and misinformation......



    Several doctors, who wear masks daily for years, have posted videos showing them putting on masks, testing their blood oxygen levels at different points, and showing no issue. One guy even wore several masks simultaneously without a problem.

    https://twitter.com/drjoshuawolrich/status/1281310674833063939


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  • #4681
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    na1 wrote: »
    The fact that oxygen levels recovers to normal doesn't mean that it makes no damage while it was low.

    people can hold the breath for several minutes, does that mean that breathing was not necessary?

    Sigh....
    Hurrache wrote: »
    A cross post from another thread to fight off the ignorance and misinformation......



    Several doctors, who wear masks daily for years, have posted videos showing them putting on masks, testing their blood oxygen levels at different points, and showing no issue. One guy even wore several masks simultaneously without a problem.

    https://twitter.com/drjoshuawolrich/status/1281310674833063939


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