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Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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  • #5312
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,212 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Deleted User wrote: »
    If it doesn't spike a lot in Ireland, there must be immunity and way bigger spread than currently thought.

    That doesn't necessarily have to be the case.


  • #5313
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,760 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    I emailed all my TDs. Sinn Fein are the only ones who responded. No response from the Taoiseach, Minister for Public Expenditure and Minister for Foreign Affairs who are supposed to be “my representatives”.

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  • #5314
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    A cautionary tale

    State of Victoria, Australia (pop 6,630 million).

    That population is comparable to the island of Ireland and like us the virus was under good control until just recently.

    Then illicit sex between private guards and quarantined travelers plus passing around a cigarette lighter leads to… what looks like the beginning of exponential growth.

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    The virus found a small weakness in their excellent defenses and exploited it.

    Yet we allow people from virus ridden hot-spots like Texas to roam free around our country.

    And the only assurance we get is that the cabinet might discuss it next week.

    FFS

    Think of economies boom bust cycle. This happens over and over again because we rely on the same flawed economics. We bury our heads in the trough while the going is good and wonder what happened when the food supply slows down.

    It’s the same thing here. No foresight in Jan/February, panic and then mostly focused on full steam ahead.

    Contact app and masks is a start, but we need to use this time better. Reminds me of Bruce Aylward in Feb saying “prepare yourself, bring your population with you”. Right now we should be working on plans to prepare for a massive surge over the coming months. Not by shutting everything down, but by implementing all recognised measures that the most successful countries have done.

    This is the same as buying salt for potentially snowy weather for the roads in winter. You don’t know if it’s gonna snow but you stock up so you aren’t caught out... Again....


  • #5315
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    If it doesn't spike a lot in Ireland, there must be immunity and way bigger spread than currently thought.

    There's still very little known about immunity and how long antibodies last. So people may get this again.


  • #5316
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,045 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    Drumpot wrote: »
    It’s the same thing here. No foresight in Jan/February, panic and then mostly focused on full steam ahead.
    Ah come on - pretty much every single country on the planet had this same "no foresight" in January/February.


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  • #5317
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    YeahnI think it's easy to be swept up in arguments of peoples rights etc. Why don't we have the right to go to US but people there can come here? Not mentioning the fact that it's an absolute ****e show there.


    What's the equivalent of Johnny Foreigner in Spain? Might want to look it up.

    Get help you mentally ill lunatic


  • #5318
    GerryFog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭GerryFog


    I've gotten 2 responses from my local TDs

    its crazy seeing Americans on the streets of Dublin. I saw quite a few groups yesterday


  • #5319
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    ixoy wrote: »
    Ah come on - pretty much every single country on the planet had this same "no foresight" in January/February.

    Why does that matter? You actually agree with my sentiments that we had no foresight in this matter.

    You learn by looking at what was done wrong and changing/adapting, not excusing yourself for being as negligent as many others.


  • #5320
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Some feel that the HEPA filtration on planes is good enough to filter everything .
    I don't think so . Only larger particles and droplets , not viruses.
    And only some planes have the state of the art filtration system .
    Don't know for sure but would imagine your average bucket flight on a cheap airline would not have the best system .
    Might be worth checking before you fly .

    The HEPA filters cleans the air, but the reality is that clean air is only really clean when it comes out of the nozzle once it hits some infected cunt right into his sweaty face then his particles are distributed around the immediate cabin.....is it still classed as clean?


  • #5321
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    Zonda999 wrote: »
    I think political will would go a long way here, would people really be pushing to send any new law in this area to the Supreme Court in order to challenge it? I very much doubt it.

    Its futile at this point though I think, if any action hasn;t been done by now then I doubt it will be.

    It is in contravention of EU law.


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  • #5322
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    snotboogie wrote: »
    Fixed for you

    The first will not happen, the second and third are illegal from any EU countries.


  • #5323
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,101 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    ixoy wrote: »
    Ah come on - pretty much every single country on the planet had this same "no foresight" in January/February.

    Except for China, who had Chinese companies, which are basically arms of the government, buy up huge quantities of PPE gear from western countries like Australia, and ship it all back to China, leaving severe shortfalls in those countries.

    You could be forgiven for thinking they knew more about the virus, earlier, than they were letting on, and were working to a plan.

    At the same time, they were trying hard to prevent other countries from banning flights and travelers from China.


  • #5324
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Except for China, who had Chinese companies, which are basically arms of the government, buy up huge quantities of PPE gear from western countries like Australia, and ship it all back to China, leaving severe shortfalls in those countries.

    You could be forgiven for thinking they knew more about the virus, earlier, than they were letting on, and were working to a plan.

    Fair play to them if they did. It's mid-July and the rest of the world still doesn't have a clue.


  • #5325
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Except for China, who had Chinese companies, which are basically arms of the government, buy up huge quantities of PPE gear from western countries like Australia, and ship it all back to China, leaving severe shortfalls in those countries.

    You could be forgiven for thinking they knew more about the virus, earlier, than they were letting on, and were working to a plan.

    If China had foresight they would have shut down those disgusting markets.

    If Italy had foresight it would have shut down this textile sweat shops.


  • #5326
    Daz_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 930 ✭✭✭Daz_


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    I emailed all my TDs. Sinn Fein are the only ones who responded. No response from the Taoiseach, Minister for Public Expenditure and Minister for Foreign Affairs who are supposed to be “my representatives”.

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    Easy for opposition / Sinn Finn to give out about it .


  • #5327
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/face-coverings-confusion-over-enforcement-of-new-public-transport-rules-1.4303166?mode=amp

    So after all the media hype at the end of last week, the face coverings on public transport aren't actually being enforced.


    I suppose this is the impact of rushing through a piece of legislation based on a mood at the time without fully appreciating what it would actually mean and how it would be implemented.


  • #5328
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    Daz_ wrote: »
    Easy for opposition / Sinn Finn to give out about it .
    That's the entire point of the opposition?


  • #5329
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,760 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Daz_ wrote: »
    Easy for opposition / Sinn Finn to give out about it .

    At least they’re saying something instead of f*ck all like the others.


  • #5330
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,101 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    There's still very little known about immunity and how long antibodies last. So people may get this again.

    Well there is some research on the subject and it suggests antibodies don't last long and suggests a vaccine wont be very effective.
    Immunity to Covid-19 could be lost in months, UK study suggests

    Exclusive: King’s College London team found steep drops in patients’ antibody levels three months after infection

    Antibodies-dont-last.jpg

    In the first longitudinal study of its kind, scientists analysed the immune response of more than 90 patients and healthcare workers at Guy’s and St Thomas’ NHS foundation trust and found levels of antibodies that can destroy the virus peaked about three weeks after the onset of symptoms then swiftly declined.

    Blood tests revealed that while 60% of people marshalled a “potent” antibody response at the height of their battle with the virus, only 17% retained the same potency three months later. Antibody levels fell as much as 23-fold over the period. In some cases, they became undetectable.

    “People are producing a reasonable antibody response to the virus, but it’s waning over a short period of time and depending on how high your peak is, that determines how long the antibodies are staying around,” said Dr Katie Doores, lead author on the study at King’s College London.

    The study has implications for the development of a vaccine, and for the pursuit of “herd immunity” in the community over time.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/12/immunity-to-covid-19-could-be-lost-in-months-uk-study-suggests

    I doubt the panicers here will ever accept that this pandemic will continue and trying to hide in a sealed submarine is pointless.


  • #5331
    Daz_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 930 ✭✭✭Daz_


    s1ippy wrote: »
    That's the entire point of the opposition?

    His point was that they were the only one to respond . Sinn F will be outraged at everything for the next few years


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  • #5332
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,760 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Fella on reddit saying that Dublin Bus had mask compliance checks this morning.
    Comments saying Luas security are also enforcing it.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/hqa7qa/dublin_bus_actually_enforcing_the_wearing_of/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


  • #5333
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,760 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Daz_ wrote: »
    His point was that they were the only one to respond . Sinn F will be outraged at everything for the next few years

    What has this got to do with their party? It’s my public representative who I voted for voicing his outrage at the inaction of the government. That’s literally his job?


  • #5334
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,101 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Fair play to them if they did. It's mid-July and the rest of the world still doesn't have a clue.

    I find your attitude obnoxious in the extreme.

    Fair play to them? Even if they engineered and created it on purpose?
    The most logical explanation is that it comes from a laboratory
    The well-known Norwegian virologist Birger Sørensen and his colleagues have examined the corona virus. They believe it has certain properties which would not evolve naturally. These conclusions are politically controversial, but in this interview he shares the findings behind the headlines.
    https://www.minervanett.no/corona/the-most-logical-explanation-is-that-it-comes-from-a-laboratory/361860


  • #5335
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Obvious so so obvious....yawn.

    Tourism not the best idea during pandemic. No matter how much revenue airbnb doesn't generate.

    Get the excuses in now lads or just deal with the reality. Here's a list of excuses I've made earlier for your convenience.

    • How could we have known?
    • It's just a local outbreak
    • it's just a flu bro

    As many as 140,000 residents in Lleida, in Segrià, have been ordered to stay in their homes and only leave for food or essential work. Officials have banned eat-in restaurants, weddings and meetings of more than 10 people as part of the new lockdown measures. The town is located 100miles west from Barcelona.
    SPANISH officials have re-introduced strict lockdown measures in a town near Barcelona following a huge spike in coronavirus cases.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1308592/Spain-coronavirus-latest-news-lockdown-second-wave-COVID-19-Barcelona-Lleida-Segri


  • #5336
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,101 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    The Australians are thick as fcuk if what they say is true. Security getting the ride from diseased fcukers.

    Cheltenham; returning skiers. Pot - kettle.


  • #5337
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,197 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    It is in contravention of EU law.

    What is? And how?


  • #5338
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    s1ippy wrote: »
    That's the entire point of the opposition?

    The point was an expectation on providing a nuanced view, planning etc for a complex area would take longer than saying 'oh god, yeah, awful, the govt. have no clue, we're terrrrrified.'


  • #5339
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    cnocbui wrote: »
    I find your attitude obnoxious in the extreme.

    Fair play to them? Even if they engineered and created it on purpose?

    https://www.minervanett.no/corona/the-most-logical-explanation-is-that-it-comes-from-a-laboratory/361860

    My point was that if the rest of world still doesn't have a handle on it, it's unlikely they did. And presenting wild conspiracy theories as fact doesn't help any point you're trying to make.

    As for the topic at hand, some countries outside China were acting in January. The ones with prior experience of these epidemics. The West knew but thought it was better than everyone else.


  • #5340
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Fella on reddit saying that Dublin Bus had mask compliance checks this morning.
    Comments saying Luas security are also enforcing it.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/hqa7qa/dublin_bus_actually_enforcing_the_wearing_of/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

    Depends on the driver, some had been doing this for the last 2 weeks, NTA saying 80% compliance but from what I've seen today not a hope in hell its 80%.

    About 40-50% on the buses I've been on today, no difference to last week.

    Both NBRU and Gardaí basically saying its not their job.

    Quick look on the DB twitter tells all anyone needs to know.

    DB inspectors getting on some buses this morning with clipboards but appearently its purely to monitor loads to increase services where needed.

    For what it's worth fair play to the luas lads but they've no power of enforcement either. They're private security and can't detain or imped anyone. They'd have to stop a tram and wait for Gardai. More hassle than its worth on parts of the red line in particular

    This whole thing is a bit of a mess with nobody taking any responsibility for actual application of legislation. For example it only got published to Gardaí at 7:30 last night and the unions are involved there now too.


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  • #5341
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Well there is some research on the subject and it suggests antibodies don't last long and suggests a vaccine wont be very effective.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/12/immunity-to-covid-19-could-be-lost-in-months-uk-study-suggests

    I doubt the panicers here will ever accept that this pandemic will continue and trying to hide in a sealed submarine is pointless.

    I had read that t cells are more important to preventing reinfection than antibodies. Antibodies are supposed to fade once the jobs done. Can anyone verify this?


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