Handicap Question

JoeCole26 · 12-07-2020 8:26pm #1

Hi all,

I recently joined a new golf club having previously just played social golf during the summers. I completed my 3 cards for my handicap and submitted them. My scores are below. (94, 91 and 84) From doing the count back myself and the fact the cards were from white tees and bunkers weren’t fully in play (could place within 6inches) I was expecting a handicap of around 14. Two weeks later I was notified I was given a handicap of 10. Just wondering what other people’s thoughts are on this - if it makes sense/fair then that’s absolutely fine, but just disheartening going out there every week not even being able to break 30points and potentially taking 2/3 years to get back to where I probably should be. I played twice this weekend and had 30/29points off 10.

My three cards were :

94 Gross -
2 birdies
3 pars
7 bogeys
1 double
5 treble

91 Gross -
1 birdie
6 pars
6 bogeys
3 doubles
2 triples

84 Gross -
2 birdies
5 pars
9 bogeys
1 double
1 triple

Thanks in advance.

Golfgraffix · 12-07-2020 8:59pm

JoeCole26 wrote: »

Hi all,

I recently joined a new golf club having previously just played social golf during the summers. I completed my 3 cards for my handicap and submitted them. My scores are below. (94, 91 and 84) From doing the count back myself and the fact the cards were from white tees and bunkers weren’t fully in play (could place within 6inches) I was expecting a handicap of around 14. Two weeks later I was notified I was given a handicap of 10. Just wondering what other people’s thoughts are on this - if it makes sense/fair then that’s absolutely fine, but just disheartening going out there every week not even being able to break 30points and potentially taking 2/3 years to get back to where I probably should be. I played twice this weekend and had 30/29points off 10.

My three cards were :

94 Gross -
2 birdies
3 pars
7 bogeys
1 double
5 treble

91 Gross -
1 birdie
6 pars
6 bogeys
3 doubles
2 triples

84 Gross -
2 birdies
5 pars
9 bogeys
1 double
1 triple

Thanks in advance.

The only card that counts is the 84, if your course is a par 72 then 10 is correct, I would have given you 8

Btw the triple only counts as a double

J

gypsy79 · 12-07-2020 9:16pm

Golfgraffix wrote: »

The only card that counts is the 84, if your course is a par 72 then 10 is correct, I would have given you 8

Btw the triple only counts as a double

J

100% correct factually

The new handicap system cant come soon enough

We had a 61 net from guy in first round. Andunder current system he will be cut max 3.6 instead of 9/10 under new system

prawnsambo · 12-07-2020 9:25pm

Golfgraffix wrote: »

The only card that counts is the 84, if your course is a par 72 then 10 is correct, I would have given you 8

Btw the triple only counts as a double

J

Under the new handicapping rules from Jan 2019, the max is now double par. Not that it really matters now when the WHS is coming in shortly.

Golf is my Game · 12-07-2020 9:36pm

11 might have been more correct. What your par ?
Your handicap sec should be checking your first few cards and if all are below 30 points then probably give you a stroke back.
If you had a 12 over in 3 cards then the chances are very good that you can do better than that given that normall youl only shoot your best score about one in 20 times.
So 10 or 11 is correct. From that you should over 10+ rounds average your scores at about 33 points so see how the next few go. If still in the 20s then nudge your sec that he should probably make you 11 although you might get up to that by then if they havent done anything anyway.

Golf is my Game · 12-07-2020 9:38pm

prawnsambo wrote: »

Under the new handicapping rules from Jan 2019, the max is now double par. Not that it really matters now when the WHS is coming in shortly.

Yes, triples count now. Maybe the sec got it wrong and so thats why they gave 10 instead of 11. Ask them do they no that rule. If they say the change the triple to a double then tell them they got the rule wrong and so theyl change you to 11.

finglashoop · 12-07-2020 9:41pm

gypsy79 wrote: »

100% correct factually

The new handicap system cant come soon enough

We had a 61 net from guy in first round. Andunder current system he will be cut max 3.6 instead of 9/10 under new system

61 net of what handicap?

Golf is my Game · 12-07-2020 9:46pm

gypsy79 wrote: »

100% correct factually

The new handicap system cant come soon enough

We had a 61 net from guy in first round. Andunder current system he will be cut max 3.6 instead of 9/10 under new system

If that was his first competition after they gave him the handicap you mean and they only cut him 3.6 then the handicap lads are asleep at the wheel. Therre supposed to cut him almost but not quite as much as if that were one of his 3 cards. So cut him like nine or whatever yes. As a initial allocation correction. Gongu book is clear on that and you see it done if they know what their doing.

gypsy79 · 12-07-2020 9:53pm

Golf is my Game wrote: »

If that was his first competition after they gave him the handicap you mean and they only cut him 3.6 then the handicap lads are asleep at the wheel. Therre supposed to cut him almost but not quite as much as if that were one of his 3 cards. So cut him like nine or whatever yes. As a initial allocation correction. Gongu book is clear on that and you see it done if they know what their doing.

Results are not in yet! I will report back. It was a medal.

Personally I domt think anyone should be eligible for a medal for 12 months

JoeCole26 · 12-07-2020 9:54pm

Golf is my Game wrote: »

Yes, triples count now. Maybe the sec got it wrong and so thats why they gave 10 instead of 11. Ask them do they no that rule. If they say the change the triple to a double then tell them they got the rule wrong and so theyl change you to 11.

Thanks for reply. Is there anywhere online I can refer them to for this rule. Thanks

JoeCole26 · 12-07-2020 9:58pm

Golf is my Game wrote: »

11 might have been more correct. What your par ?
Your handicap sec should be checking your first few cards and if all are below 30 points then probably give you a stroke back.
If you had a 12 over in 3 cards then the chances are very good that you can do better than that given that normall youl only shoot your best score about one in 20 times.
So 10 or 11 is correct. From that you should over 10+ rounds average your scores at about 33 points so see how the next few go. If still in the 20s then nudge your sec that he should probably make you 11 although you might get up to that by then if they havent done anything anyway.

The par is 72 at my club.Yeah, I’ll see how the next few rounds go and if I’m still struggling I’ll maybe reach out to them.

Golf is my Game · 12-07-2020 10:09pm

JoeCole26 wrote: »

Thanks for reply. Is there anywhere online I can refer them to for this rule. Thanks

https://www.congu.co.uk/manual/

If you click manual online its in the section on handicap allocation.

Golf is my Game · 12-07-2020 10:17pm

gypsy79 wrote: »

Results are not in yet! I will report back. It was a medal.

Personally I domt think anyone should be eligible for a medal for 12 months

Wouldnt agree with that as that means you dont think the handicap is correct so then they shouldnt be playing at all really. If the handicap are doing their job right then they should be giving the right handicap to start and bringing people into line sharpish if their mopping up. The problem is usually with the handicap people who dont check on past playing, past handicaps etc because you have to make calls and do a bit of enquiriing. Ive done it and it is a pain in the hole but when a member tells you its his mate is joining and he 'about a x' and wants you to give him that they dont have a clue what their talking about. Then you have people wanting to get members up and running quickly to get them playing and paying into comps and dont want to bother with 3 cards or push to have them on such and such a handicap so they elegible for a team and stuff. That all goes on. Then ones that dont even know the calculation for new handicaps or do stupid stuff like averaging the three cards or giving them a handicap because some one said they played with them last week end and they were brutal and stuff. If its done right its works grand.

Golfgraffix · 12-07-2020 10:18pm

I stopped being handicap sec in 2018, didn’t know about the double bogey change.

Remember the committee can give a lower handicap than the 3 cards recommend, if they feel there is good reason.

I’m pretty sure they can’t just give shots back if they think it’s wrong. When I was doing it I would wait for at least 7 qualifying scores to see if they appear on the continual assessment report. It would be the branch that would give the final go ahead if a increase was asked for

Golf is my Game · 12-07-2020 10:27pm

No you can just change it :

(d) The Handicap Committee should review the initial Qualifying Scores returned by all
Member’s to whom a handicap has recently been allotted. If the Handicap Committee
determines that an adjustment is required to a Member’s recently allotted handicap,
this must be administered in accordance with the provisions of Clause 23 B.
And no need to go to the branch.

And if it a case like the above where they reduced a score to a double then they have to correct their own error anyway whatever as its them that didnt give the right handicap in the first place whatever about scores.

Golfgraffix · 12-07-2020 10:48pm

Golf is my Game wrote: »

No you can just change it :

(d) The Handicap Committee should review the initial Qualifying Scores returned by all
Member’s to whom a handicap has recently been allotted. If the Handicap Committee
determines that an adjustment is required to a Member’s recently allotted handicap,
this must be administered in accordance with the provisions of Clause 23 B.
And no need to go to the branch.

And if it a case like the above where they reduced a score to a double then they have to correct their own error anyway whatever as its them that didnt give the right handicap in the first place whatever about scores.

23b is general play adjustment, no? There has to be some amount of general play before this can be considered. (I guess if a mistake was made there should be some way of correcting but I don’t think it’s under a 23b adjustment)

Of course I cited be wrong !!!

Golf is my Game · 12-07-2020 10:58pm

23/5 Adjusting Newly Allocated Playing Handicaps
Q. Handicap Committees are advised to monitor the early returns of players with newly allocated
handicaps. In what circumstance should the Handicap Committee take action?
A. Assigning handicaps to new members is one of the most important functions of a Handicap
Committee. Following the inputting of the score details from the requisite number of cards, the
computer program calculates a handicap. This should be regarded as a recommendation that
should be reviewed with reference to factors such as time of year, prevailing weather conditions,
previous playing history, and the most recent past handicap held, where applicable, before a
handicap is allotted.
The following are examples of instances where the Handicap Committee did not, or was not able to,
determine this essential information and the players were awarded initial handicaps that were higher
than the players were entitled to.
Player Handicap
Allocated
Early Scoring
Sequence Comments
A 23 -2, -2, NR, -2, -5 After 6 months handicap was 12.7
B 15 0, -3, 0, -6 After 12 Competitions handicap was 8.1
C 27 -1, 0, -7, 1 After 12 Competitions handicap was 20.2
In allocating and reviewing a new handicap the Handicap Committee has to be seen to be fair not
only to the player but also the rest of the membership. If initial handicaps allocated to new members
are too liberal the new members enjoy an unfair competitive advantage.
In the examples cited above, the Handicap Committee would be justified in applying a General Play
Adjustment after the return of early scores to adjust the respective handicaps to a level more
reflective of playing ability.

I guess it depends on whats the differential and how many scores. But its saying they should have acted on the above. If someone has 11 better than CSS in the first comp then they should act. If they are 5 better you let the computer cut them. But if they have 5 better in the second comp again then you jump in. In the examples above their saying the hc should have been changed after 3 or 4 comps based on those score but wasnt so it too 6 months and 12 comps for them to get to the right handicap which is wrong. So if bigger gaps than above, you shouldnt even wait 3 4 5 comps to correct. As it says, you have a responsibility to the rest of the field too not just the one person. In each example you can see the hc is wrong after two comps clearly.

Golfgraffix · 12-07-2020 11:59pm

Golf is my Game wrote: »

23/5 Adjusting Newly Allocated Playing Handicaps
Q. Handicap Committees are advised to monitor the early returns of players with newly allocated
handicaps. In what circumstance should the Handicap Committee take action?
A. Assigning handicaps to new members is one of the most important functions of a Handicap
Committee. Following the inputting of the score details from the requisite number of cards, the
computer program calculates a handicap. This should be regarded as a recommendation that
should be reviewed with reference to factors such as time of year, prevailing weather conditions,
previous playing history, and the most recent past handicap held, where applicable, before a
handicap is allotted.
The following are examples of instances where the Handicap Committee did not, or was not able to,
determine this essential information and the players were awarded initial handicaps that were higher
than the players were entitled to.
Player Handicap
Allocated
Early Scoring
Sequence Comments
A 23 -2, -2, NR, -2, -5 After 6 months handicap was 12.7
B 15 0, -3, 0, -6 After 12 Competitions handicap was 8.1
C 27 -1, 0, -7, 1 After 12 Competitions handicap was 20.2
In allocating and reviewing a new handicap the Handicap Committee has to be seen to be fair not
only to the player but also the rest of the membership. If initial handicaps allocated to new members
are too liberal the new members enjoy an unfair competitive advantage.
In the examples cited above, the Handicap Committee would be justified in applying a General Play
Adjustment after the return of early scores to adjust the respective handicaps to a level more
reflective of playing ability.

I guess it depends on whats the differential and how many scores. But its saying they should have acted on the above. If someone has 11 better than CSS in the first comp then they should act. If they are 5 better you let the computer cut them. But if they have 5 better in the second comp again then you jump in. In the examples above their saying the hc should have been changed after 3 or 4 comps based on those score but wasnt so it too 6 months and 12 comps for them to get to the right handicap which is wrong. So if bigger gaps than above, you shouldnt even wait 3 4 5 comps to correct. As it says, you have a responsibility to the rest of the field too not just the one person. In each example you can see the hc is wrong after two comps clearly.

I’d agree if for a cut but for a 1 shot increase I’m not sure

I always found Anita in the Leinster Branch great for these questions

prawnsambo · 13-07-2020 9:19am

Golfgraffix wrote: »

I’d agree if for a cut but for a 1 shot increase I’m not sure

I always found Anita in the Leinster Branch great for these questions

Yeah, adding shots back is not as simple as taking shots off. The example above of the guy with a net 61 is easily dealt with by an ESR. In any case, the club concerned should not allow new handicaps win medals or majors until at least three qualifying competition cards are submitted.

On the general point of allocating initial handicaps; apart from looking at cards submitted, the handicap committee should also be looking at previous golfing experience and questions on that should be on the application form.

Golfgraffix · 13-07-2020 10:00am

prawnsambo wrote: »

On the general point of allocating initial handicaps; apart from looking at cards submitted, the handicap committee should also be looking at previous golfing experience and questions on that should be on the application form.

In order to get a handicap in our club you have to fill out the questionaire which covers your playing history.

I wanted to add a question that said "Do you have two arms, two legs and a head ?" If so you are getting no more than 18 !!!!

J

GreeBo · 13-07-2020 10:43am

Golf is my Game wrote: »

Yes, triples count now. Maybe the sec got it wrong and so thats why they gave 10 instead of 11. Ask them do they no that rule. If they say the change the triple to a double then tell them they got the rule wrong and so theyl change you to 11.

Can you elaborate more on "triples count now"?
I cant find anything relating to this change under CONGU (other than clause 19 which is not new)

Golf is my Game · 13-07-2020 10:48am

GreeBo wrote: »

Can you elaborate more on "triples count now"?
I cant find anything relating to this change under CONGU (other than clause 19 which is not new)

It's in the 2018 documents and onwards from that and in the 'changes for 2018' summary. I have it somewhere but not with me. Effectively its now reduce big numbers on a hole to max of 2 x par. I think it was to do with the increasing of handicaps beyond the old 28 limit. So it didn't make sense anymore to have max score of 2over meaning 36 over for 18 so with the formula a max I think of 33 as initial allocation. Which is fair enough if playing of 54 is fair enough too. So they had to change it to make sense.

GreeBo · 13-07-2020 10:55am

Golf is my Game wrote: »

It's in the 2018 documents and onwards from that and in the 'changes for 2018' summary. I have it somewhere but not with me. Effectively its now reduce big numbers on a hole to max of 2 x par. I think it was to do with the increasing of handicaps beyond the old 28 limit. So it didn't make sense anymore to have max score of 2over meaning 36 over for 18 so with the formula a max I think of 33 as initial allocation. Which is fair enough if playing of 54 is fair enough too. So they had to change it to make sense.

Whats the actual change though? clause 19 (net double bogey) has been around for years, right?

Golf is my Game · 13-07-2020 11:05am

GreeBo wrote: »

Whats the actual change though? clause 19 (net double bogey) has been around for years, right?

It's only for cards in initial allocation calculation.

Two over in comps is the same as always.

prawnsambo · 13-07-2020 11:23am

Golf is my Game wrote: »

It's only for cards in initial allocation calculation.

Two over in comps is the same as always.

Yeah. Clause 16.3 on initial handicap allotment. Specifically this:

(b)The Handicap Committee shall 1.Adjust any score of more than double par at any hole to a score of double par (i.e. 6 on a Par 3, 8 on a Par 4 and 10 on a Par 5)

GreeBo · 13-07-2020 12:25pm

Golf is my Game wrote: »

It's only for cards in initial allocation calculation.

Two over in comps is the same as always.

Ah gotcha.
I would have always mentally done a scratch golfer clause 19 adjustment when looking at someones initial card anyway.

Especially someone who is throwing in birdies and triples...
Not looking at anyone in particular OP :pac:

JoeCole26 · 13-07-2020 6:41pm

prawnsambo wrote: »

Yeah. Clause 16.3 on initial handicap allotment. Specifically this:

Last question, so if had a 7 on a par 4 should that be marked as a 6 or a 7 or initial handicap allotment? Thanks again for your help

Golfgraffix · 13-07-2020 8:04pm

JoeCole26 wrote: »

Last question, so if had a 7 on a par 4 should that be marked as a 6 or a 7 or initial handicap allotment? Thanks again for your help

A 7 as the limit is 2 x 4 =8

PARlance · 13-07-2020 11:08pm

Golf is my Game wrote: »

It's only for cards in initial allocation calculation.

Two over in comps is the same as always.

That will go some way to explain the generosity of our HC Sec for some of the new members.

51 points won our weekend comp, 3 over gross off 18.
President Prize the week before was full of new members as well, low to mid net 60's.

All generally younger lads who had played before but got back into it post lockdown, handed cards in early and were playing 3-4 times a week for weeks before the comps started back. Hard to fault them or the HC Sec in the circumstances but I imagine he is getting a bit of heat about it.

My playing partner had 44 points at the weekend, just the 7 points from top spot...eek.

finglashoop · 14-07-2020 12:24am

PARlance wrote: »

That will go some way to explain the generosity of our HC Sec for some of the new members.

51 points won our weekend comp, 3 over gross off 18.
President Prize the week before was full of new members as well, low to mid net 60's.

All generally younger lads who had played before but got back into it post lockdown, handed cards in early and were playing 3-4 times a week for weeks before the comps started back. Hard to fault them or the HC Sec in the circumstances but I imagine he is getting a bit of heat about it.

My playing partner had 44 points at the weekend, just the 7 points from top spot...eek.

61 net won the medal in elmgreen division 1 and 2

87strokes 26 hcap

prawnsambo · 14-07-2020 9:37am

PARlance wrote: »

That will go some way to explain the generosity of our HC Sec for some of the new members.

51 points won our weekend comp, 3 over gross off 18.
President Prize the week before was full of new members as well, low to mid net 60's.

All generally younger lads who had played before but got back into it post lockdown, handed cards in early and were playing 3-4 times a week for weeks before the comps started back. Hard to fault them or the HC Sec in the circumstances but I imagine he is getting a bit of heat about it.

My playing partner had 44 points at the weekend, just the 7 points from top spot...eek.

Another factor here is the long break between qualifying competitions. We had no qualifying competitions before lockdown as the ground was too wet and placing everywhere. So you have the double whammy of no qualifying, almost daily practice before qualifying started back and lots of lads getting waaay better in the interim due to lots of practice and lessons.

It'll sort itself out very quickly though. Some big cuts going around.

14-07-2020 9:42am

You can't get around people fudging the system to begin with. If they have no handicap from elsewhere and nobody has any knowledge of their playing prowess or lack of it. That is why most Clubs restrict winning of majors in a players first year.

In terms of allocation the 3 cards are input into Golfnet and a suggested handicap is given to the handicap secretary. I am sure there is a fancy formula or algorithm at work in the background to do this. They may or may not choose this suggested handicap or amend slightly based on their knowledge.

Like everything with Golf there is a trust element that the person submitting the cards is playing to the best of their ability at the time.

prawnsambo · 14-07-2020 9:56am

Exactly wrote: »

You can't get around people fudging the system to begin with. If they have no handicap from elsewhere and nobody has any knowledge of their playing prowess or lack of it. That is why most Clubs restrict winning of majors in a players first year.

In terms of allocation the 3 cards are input into Golfnet and a suggested handicap is given to the handicap secretary. I am sure there is a fancy formula or algorithm at work in the background to do this. They may or may not choose this suggested handicap or amend slightly based on their knowledge.

Like everything with Golf there is a trust element that the person submitting the cards is playing to the best of their ability at the time.

We require three qualifiers before being able to win a 'major' or medal. A lot of clubs do. The instances I'm seeing are all existing members in the 20 ish HC range who just struggled last year, but with the practice and lessons in recent weeks showing big improvements. Would be very uncomfortable classifying them as 'fudging'.

Initial handicap allocation is done automatically by the software (HowDidIDo etc.), not GolfNet, once the requisite number of cards are entered. At which point the handicap committee looks at it and 'tweaks' it based on the member's previous experience and (where possible) observation. It's very rare that what the software produces isn't adjusted slightly by the committee. It's never going to be perfect, but big scores will get big cuts.

Golf is my Game · 14-07-2020 9:58am

prawnsambo wrote: »

Another factor here is the long break between qualifying competitions. We had no qualifying competitions before lockdown as the ground was too wet and placing everywhere. So you have the double whammy of no qualifying, almost daily practice before qualifying started back and lots of lads getting waaay better in the interim due to lots of practice and lessons.

It'll sort itself out very quickly though. Some big cuts going around.

Non qualifying comps shouldn't influence things. But again, If, the handicap sec his doing his job. You should be adjusting handicaps whether qualifying or not if their is a pattern, and in the middle of the winter you have the annual review. Winter leagues, hampers, winter scrambles, and the likes even though frequently no qualifying should always prokoke a few adjustments.

prawnsambo · 14-07-2020 10:45am

Golf is my Game wrote: »

Non qualifying comps shouldn't influence things. But again, If, the handicap sec his doing his job. You should be adjusting handicaps whether qualifying or not if their is a pattern, and in the middle of the winter you have the annual review. Winter leagues, hampers, winter scrambles, and the likes even though frequently no qualifying should always prokoke a few adjustments.

You can't adjust a player's official handicap based on the results from non-qualifying competitions. Yes, you can make an end of year adjustment or any other handicap review and you can take NQ scores into account when making them. But they have to be reasonable and the scores returned have to stand out as exceptional against the rest of the field or the player's playing history.

But handicapping wasn't why I mentioned NQ competitions. It's because of the conditions that made them NQ in the first place. It was very wet and scores as a result were actually unusually low. Balls being lost in very soft fairways, high winds making the course play long etc.

PARlance · 14-07-2020 12:38pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You can't get around people fudging the system to begin with. If they have no handicap from elsewhere and nobody has any knowledge of their playing prowess or lack of it. That is why most Clubs restrict winning of majors in a players first year.

In terms of allocation the 3 cards are input into Golfnet and a suggested handicap is given to the handicap secretary. I am sure there is a fancy formula or algorithm at work in the background to do this. They may or may not choose this suggested handicap or amend slightly based on their knowledge.

Like everything with Golf there is a trust element that the person submitting the cards is playing to the best of their ability at the time.

I wasn't suggesting any fudging, think there's lots of reasons for big cuts in these circumstances. I was just surprised by the "generosity"* of our HC Sec though, but the new (to me) double par method would account for that. Bit of a daft change imo.

I know a few guys that handed in mid 90's cards. They were given 22-24HC which would have been 18ish under the old system but correct under this double par method.

REFLINE1 · 14-07-2020 12:49pm

OP i was in a similar situation. Submitted three cards of 100, 102 and 105. Got given 26. (Par 71). Played first comp yesterday and scored 31 points.

Golf is my Game · 14-07-2020 12:56pm

PARlance wrote: »

I wasn't suggesting any fudging, think there's lots of reasons for big cuts in these circumstances. I was just surprised by the "generosity"* of our HC Sec though, but the new (to me) double par method would account for that. Bit of a daft change imo.

I know a few guys that handed in mid 90's cards. They were given 22-24HC which would have been 18ish under the old system but correct under this double par method.

I don't think you get that really. From the ones I done over the last couple of years I don't think I seen it move more than a shot in practice even though I thought it might lead to mad handicaps when they brought it in. When you look at your only taking their best card anyway and while there might be a few more than doubles in some cards, the one you use for the calculation might have none or one of them. The ones it made a difference to that I seen were only the very high ones from total beginners where they shot a 109 or something and so you end up giving them 32 or something when it would have been 28 before and are usually lads a long long way from featuring in a competition. I don't think it happens like you say. HC secs are never generous anyway, they just apply the mathematic, but as I said before where they slip up is not making quick correction soon enough with new lads like they should as we seen here where even keen golf people involved in the game didn't really know about it.

GreeBo · 14-07-2020 2:07pm

REFLINE1 wrote: »

OP i was in a similar situation. Submitted three cards of 100, 102 and 105. Got given 26. (Par 71). Played first comp yesterday and scored 31 points.

That would seem within the norm to me, I'm sure you can think of a bunch of places you could have saved 3-4 shots.

REFLINE1 · 14-07-2020 2:10pm

GreeBo wrote: »

That would seem within the norm to me, I'm sure you can think of a bunch of places you could have saved 3-4 shots.

I've thought of very little else since i left the course. The golf bug has well and truly been caught

But yes, could fairly easily have scored mid 30s.

14-07-2020 2:13pm

REFLINE1 wrote: »

I've thought of very little else since i left the course. The golf bug has well and truly been caught But yes, could fairly easily have scored mid 30s.

The higher your handicap the less consistent you are (normally) and play to your handicap less frequently compared to a lower handicap.

If you have the bug though I'm sure the handicap won't be long dropping.

Golf is my Game · 14-07-2020 2:25pm

REFLINE1 wrote: »

OP i was in a similar situation. Submitted three cards of 100, 102 and 105. Got given 26. (Par 71). Played first comp yesterday and scored 31 points.

That's probably spot on.

REFLINE1 · 14-07-2020 2:32pm

Exactly wrote: »

The higher your handicap the less consistent you are (normally) and play to your handicap less frequently compared to a lower handicap.

If you have the bug though I'm sure the handicap won't be long dropping.

yes ive no complaints, seems fair to me. if i stopped 3 or 4 putting almost every hole it would help!

youcancallmeal · 14-07-2020 2:40pm

REFLINE1 wrote: »

OP i was in a similar situation. Submitted three cards of 100, 102 and 105. Got given 26. (Par 71). Played first comp yesterday and scored 31 points.

I got the exact same around late 2018 when I joined a club for the first time. Then winter league kicked in so no qualifying comps for 3 months, I played a lot during this time and improved dramatically. I won several competitions in 2019 and got my handicap down to 17. Came 3rd in golfer of the year standings. Anecdotally they now never give out handicaps like that any more because of me and another guy in a similar situation who actually won goty(He went from 25 to 15 last summer). Every new member I've played with in the last 9 months or so are saying the same thing, they've been given a low handicap they can't play to.

prawnsambo · 14-07-2020 4:25pm

youcancallmeal wrote: »

I got the exact same around late 2018 when I joined a club for the first time. Then winter league kicked in so no qualifying comps for 3 months, I played a lot during this time and improved dramatically. I won several competitions in 2019 and got my handicap down to 17. Came 3rd in golfer of the year standings. Anecdotally they now never give out handicaps like that any more because of me and another guy in a similar situation who actually won goty(He went from 25 to 15 last summer). Every new member I've played with in the last 9 months or so are saying the same thing, they've been given a low handicap they can't play to.

This really annoys me. I hear the same talk you mention above in my club from time to time about the danger of new members getting too big a handicap and I always give the same answer (although this will soon be moot): It's easy to correct a too high handicap, but a lot harder to correct a too low one. Lads dragging around the course, never getting more than twenty odd points will get p1ssed off and be minded to quit. It can literally take years for a mistake like that to self-correct unless the handicap committee decide to give them a few shots at the annual review. And in my experience, that's as rare as hen's teeth.

Fotish · 26-07-2020 1:38am

I have just become an Away member of another club.
I now have two swipe cards , mo Home card and my Away card.

Does anyone know which card I should use when playing at my Away club.?

I need to know that my handicp will be maintained properly , obviously my Home
club is responsible for my Handicap.

dddmor · 26-07-2020 9:09am

Hi everyone,

Quick question, I was playing off 12.5 and scored 40 points with SSS being 36 so I should be cut 4 units.
I believe 12.5 is the last bracket you get cut 0.3's

Will it work like this or have I got it wrong??

1 X 0.3 = 12.2
3 x 0.2 = 11.6

spacecoyote · 26-07-2020 10:50am

dddmor wrote: »

Hi everyone,

Quick question, I was playing off 12.5 and scored 40 points with SSS being 36 so I should be cut 4 units.
I believe 12.5 is the last bracket you get cut 0.3's

Will it work like this or have I got it wrong??

1 X 0.3 = 12.2
3 x 0.2 = 11.6

It's actually the CSS that will determine the cuts, but assuming that's 36 too then you're correct

Seve OB · 26-07-2020 5:33pm

Fotish wrote: »

I have just become an Away member of another club.
I now have two swipe cards , mo Home card and my Away card.

Does anyone know which card I should use when playing at my Away club.?

I need to know that my handicp will be maintained properly , obviously my Home
club is responsible for my Handicap.

Home club card.
Put the away one in a drawer...... only useful if there is bar credit or something associated with it

prawnsambo · 27-07-2020 10:25pm

Fotish wrote: »

I have just become an Away member of another club.
I now have two swipe cards , mo Home card and my Away card.

Does anyone know which card I should use when playing at my Away club.?

I need to know that my handicp will be maintained properly , obviously my Home
club is responsible for my Handicap.

Use two numbers (cards) and you are effectively playing off two handicaps. Depending on how your home club view that when they find out (and they will), it could be a handicap suspension. Not suggesting that you would do that, but others reading this might not know what's involved. Your home club maintains your handicap record. You can only have one.

Ottoman_1000 · 28-07-2020 10:53am

Apologies if I am hijacking this thread. But I have a new member playing a casual 18 holes with me this evening and he asked me to mark his card so he can put it towards his lot for his handicap. How many strokes beyond par is he allowed before I tell him to pick it up? is a treble bogie the max on each hole?