JoeCole26 wrote: » Hi all, I recently joined a new golf club having previously just played social golf during the summers. I completed my 3 cards for my handicap and submitted them. My scores are below. (94, 91 and 84) From doing the count back myself and the fact the cards were from white tees and bunkers weren’t fully in play (could place within 6inches) I was expecting a handicap of around 14. Two weeks later I was notified I was given a handicap of 10. Just wondering what other people’s thoughts are on this - if it makes sense/fair then that’s absolutely fine, but just disheartening going out there every week not even being able to break 30points and potentially taking 2/3 years to get back to where I probably should be. I played twice this weekend and had 30/29points off 10. My three cards were : 94 Gross - 2 birdies 3 pars 7 bogeys 1 double 5 treble 91 Gross - 1 birdie 6 pars 6 bogeys 3 doubles 2 triples 84 Gross - 2 birdies 5 pars 9 bogeys 1 double 1 triple Thanks in advance.
Golfgraffix wrote: » The only card that counts is the 84, if your course is a par 72 then 10 is correct, I would have given you 8 Btw the triple only counts as a double J
prawnsambo wrote: » Under the new handicapping rules from Jan 2019, the max is now double par. Not that it really matters now when the WHS is coming in shortly.
gypsy79 wrote: » 100% correct factually The new handicap system cant come soon enough We had a 61 net from guy in first round. Andunder current system he will be cut max 3.6 instead of 9/10 under new system
Golf is my Game wrote: » If that was his first competition after they gave him the handicap you mean and they only cut him 3.6 then the handicap lads are asleep at the wheel. Therre supposed to cut him almost but not quite as much as if that were one of his 3 cards. So cut him like nine or whatever yes. As a initial allocation correction. Gongu book is clear on that and you see it done if they know what their doing.
Golf is my Game wrote: » Yes, triples count now. Maybe the sec got it wrong and so thats why they gave 10 instead of 11. Ask them do they no that rule. If they say the change the triple to a double then tell them they got the rule wrong and so theyl change you to 11.
Golf is my Game wrote: » 11 might have been more correct. What your par ? Your handicap sec should be checking your first few cards and if all are below 30 points then probably give you a stroke back. If you had a 12 over in 3 cards then the chances are very good that you can do better than that given that normall youl only shoot your best score about one in 20 times. So 10 or 11 is correct. From that you should over 10+ rounds average your scores at about 33 points so see how the next few go. If still in the 20s then nudge your sec that he should probably make you 11 although you might get up to that by then if they havent done anything anyway.
JoeCole26 wrote: » Thanks for reply. Is there anywhere online I can refer them to for this rule. Thanks
gypsy79 wrote: » Results are not in yet! I will report back. It was a medal. Personally I domt think anyone should be eligible for a medal for 12 months
Golf is my Game wrote: » No you can just change it :(d) The Handicap Committee should review the initial Qualifying Scores returned by all Member’s to whom a handicap has recently been allotted. If the Handicap Committee determines that an adjustment is required to a Member’s recently allotted handicap, this must be administered in accordance with the provisions of Clause 23 B. And no need to go to the branch. And if it a case like the above where they reduced a score to a double then they have to correct their own error anyway whatever as its them that didnt give the right handicap in the first place whatever about scores.
Golf is my Game wrote: » 23/5 Adjusting Newly Allocated Playing Handicaps Q. Handicap Committees are advised to monitor the early returns of players with newly allocated handicaps. In what circumstance should the Handicap Committee take action? A. Assigning handicaps to new members is one of the most important functions of a Handicap Committee. Following the inputting of the score details from the requisite number of cards, the computer program calculates a handicap. This should be regarded as a recommendation that should be reviewed with reference to factors such as time of year, prevailing weather conditions, previous playing history, and the most recent past handicap held, where applicable, before a handicap is allotted. The following are examples of instances where the Handicap Committee did not, or was not able to, determine this essential information and the players were awarded initial handicaps that were higher than the players were entitled to. Player Handicap Allocated Early Scoring Sequence Comments A 23 -2, -2, NR, -2, -5 After 6 months handicap was 12.7 B 15 0, -3, 0, -6 After 12 Competitions handicap was 8.1 C 27 -1, 0, -7, 1 After 12 Competitions handicap was 20.2 In allocating and reviewing a new handicap the Handicap Committee has to be seen to be fair not only to the player but also the rest of the membership. If initial handicaps allocated to new members are too liberal the new members enjoy an unfair competitive advantage. In the examples cited above, the Handicap Committee would be justified in applying a General Play Adjustment after the return of early scores to adjust the respective handicaps to a level more reflective of playing ability. I guess it depends on whats the differential and how many scores. But its saying they should have acted on the above. If someone has 11 better than CSS in the first comp then they should act. If they are 5 better you let the computer cut them. But if they have 5 better in the second comp again then you jump in. In the examples above their saying the hc should have been changed after 3 or 4 comps based on those score but wasnt so it too 6 months and 12 comps for them to get to the right handicap which is wrong. So if bigger gaps than above, you shouldnt even wait 3 4 5 comps to correct. As it says, you have a responsibility to the rest of the field too not just the one person. In each example you can see the hc is wrong after two comps clearly.
Golfgraffix wrote: » I’d agree if for a cut but for a 1 shot increase I’m not sure I always found Anita in the Leinster Branch great for these questions
prawnsambo wrote: » On the general point of allocating initial handicaps; apart from looking at cards submitted, the handicap committee should also be looking at previous golfing experience and questions on that should be on the application form.
GreeBo wrote: » Can you elaborate more on "triples count now"? I cant find anything relating to this change under CONGU (other than clause 19 which is not new)
Golf is my Game wrote: » It's in the 2018 documents and onwards from that and in the 'changes for 2018' summary. I have it somewhere but not with me. Effectively its now reduce big numbers on a hole to max of 2 x par. I think it was to do with the increasing of handicaps beyond the old 28 limit. So it didn't make sense anymore to have max score of 2over meaning 36 over for 18 so with the formula a max I think of 33 as initial allocation. Which is fair enough if playing of 54 is fair enough too. So they had to change it to make sense.
GreeBo wrote: » Whats the actual change though? clause 19 (net double bogey) has been around for years, right?
Golf is my Game wrote: » It's only for cards in initial allocation calculation. Two over in comps is the same as always.
(b)The Handicap Committee shall 1.Adjust any score of more than double par at any hole to a score of double par (i.e. 6 on a Par 3, 8 on a Par 4 and 10 on a Par 5)
prawnsambo wrote: » Yeah. Clause 16.3 on initial handicap allotment. Specifically this:
JoeCole26 wrote: » Last question, so if had a 7 on a par 4 should that be marked as a 6 or a 7 or initial handicap allotment? Thanks again for your help
PARlance wrote: » That will go some way to explain the generosity of our HC Sec for some of the new members. 51 points won our weekend comp, 3 over gross off 18. President Prize the week before was full of new members as well, low to mid net 60's. All generally younger lads who had played before but got back into it post lockdown, handed cards in early and were playing 3-4 times a week for weeks before the comps started back. Hard to fault them or the HC Sec in the circumstances but I imagine he is getting a bit of heat about it. My playing partner had 44 points at the weekend, just the 7 points from top spot...eek.
