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Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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  • #5222
    SimonTemplar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭SimonTemplar


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    So based on this we can expect a bit of a rise but this will then drop again and stay at relatively low steady levels?

    Yes, if our experience is consistent with other European countries. But as been pointed out by another poster, those four countries have had more strict enforcement of mask wearing.

    The main point I was making is that a rise of cases over a few days does not mean we are starting a new wave. We need to look at the pattern over a longer period of time.


  • #5223
    gipi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,313 ✭✭✭gipi


    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    That is so sad...

    The definition of being 'free of the virus' is 28 days without a case.

    Co. Clare was the only county in the country to achieve that landmark.

    All gone now :(

    3 counties reached 30 days without a case - Clare, Sligo and Kerry.



  • #5224
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,760 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    This is Hungary's new entry system. Very straight forward.
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  • #5225
    patnor1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,302 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Not very good news with flu seazon coming. This study was done in 2009.

    Increased Risk of Noninfluenza Respiratory Virus Infections Associated With Receipt of Inactivated Influenza Vaccine.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3404712/

    The study finds that flu shots quite literally inactivate parts of the human immune system, rendering the child more vulnerable to coronavirus infections. “Being protected against influenza, trivalent inactivated influenza vaccine recipients may lack temporary non-specific immunity that protected against other respiratory viruses,” the study authors write.

    The study authors explain that the influenza vaccine works to prevent influenza virus infections, but at the same time it makes children more susceptible to other respiratory infections. Since the Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) for seasonal influenza is so low (around 0.024%, which is not a typo), and the Infection Fatality Rate of covid-19 infections is at least one order of magnitude higher, it raises the obvious question:

    Would it save more lives of children to avoid administering flu shots this year and therefore reduce their vulnerability to covid-19, which has a far higher fatality rate?

    The study, which was conducted in 2009, observed the outcomes of 115 children aged 6 – 16 years. The study also used a placebo group and found that placebo made “no statistically significant difference” in the risk of acute respiratory infection risk.

    But children who received influenza vaccines had a much higher risk of respiratory infections.

    Even more shockingly, the study also found no difference in the risk of seasonal influenza infections between those children who were vaccinated vs. those who weren’t. In other words, the influenza vaccine offered no protection against the flu, but it created increased vulnerability to other respiratory infections. (No benefits, just increased risks.) “There was no statistically significant difference in the risk of confirmed seasonal influenza infection between recipients of TIV or placebo,” the study explains.


  • #5226
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    HSE Operations report out.

    Little change as has become usual over the weekends.

    As of 18:30 11 in ICU with 7 ventilated. Increase of 1 in ICU.

    As of 8pm 11 in general beds.

    0 cases reported from hosptial labs in the last 24hrs


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  • #5227
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,197 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Australia is taking a drastic approach to arrivals.. :pac:

    We might have to deploy Jack Chambers yet..

    https://twitter.com/toby_etc/status/1281502235856211968

    https://twitter.com/MallowNews/status/1282281633622761472


  • #5228
    obi604
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,336 ✭✭✭obi604


    I haven’t looked at this thread in ages.
    Too long to read and most likely discussed 187 pages ago.

    But high level, Do ye reckon a second wave on the way for Ireland?


  • #5229
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,157 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    patnor1011 wrote: »
    Not very good news with flu seazon coming. This study was done in 2009.

    115 children is hardly a great sample size - barring the number they pick up every bug going, some may just have a better immune system (the old breast milk theory)
    Where were the children picked from? All I can find is it is a Hong Kong study

    edit: and it's an 8 year old report!


  • #5230
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    obi604 wrote: »
    But high level, Do ye reckon a second wave on the way for Ireland?

    Oh I can see this being an extremely popular question ....

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  • #5231
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,441 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Interesting report from the Irish Times from Dublin Airport this morning, but according to their reporter, most of the people on board incoming US flights were Irish citizens or residents.

    There seems to be a lot of hysterical commentary on Twitter about thousands of American tourists arriving.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/us-passengers-fly-into-dublin-i-m-here-for-six-days-i-guess-i-ll-have-to-stay-inside-1.4302719


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  • #5232
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Some posts from Reddit Ireland's thread today
    46255 tests were performed this week, with 134 coming up positive, giving a positivity rate of 0.3% (rounded up from 0.287%). A really encouraging stat, now if we only stop the flights from the US!!
    No new hospitalizations or ICU admissions - this shows the higher numbers are a result of good testing not just people showing up in ER sick like at the beginning of all this.

    But might also be because alot of the new cases are young people


  • #5233
    patnor1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,302 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    More studies like that are needed. There may be link and given how contagious covid is it may be worth to find out. Not just children, adults or old people too. There are a lot of things which work that way - while good for something could be bad for you when combined with something else.


  • #5234
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    obi604 wrote: »
    I haven’t looked at this thread in ages.
    Too long to read and most likely discussed 187 pages ago.

    But high level, Do ye reckon a second wave on the way for Ireland?


    Whole thread about it here

    I haven't read anything in there tbh. This thread and the Airport one are more or less enough to follow for now

    Over 4 months in, there's only so much on this thing you can follow and still keep relatively positive


  • #5235
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,197 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    obi604 wrote: »
    I haven’t looked at this thread in ages.
    Too long to read and most likely discussed 187 pages ago.

    But high level, Do ye reckon a second wave on the way for Ireland?

    Don't think anyone has actually defined what a second wave means in terms of cases but seems from past pandemics they do come in waves.

    Don't think that makes it inevitable that we will experience one though and hopefully contact tracing system up and running, people continuing to work from home into Autumn/winter, banning of large gatherings like concerts and sports etc mitigates against the risk and keeps cases as low as possible.

    Guess short answer nobody knows and anyone that says with full confidence either way can't know that but I'd like to think public health experts are hoping for the best while preparing for the worst. And hopefully we avoid one and continue with as few cases as possible.


  • #5236
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Don't think anyone has actually defined what a second wave means in terms of cases but seems from past pandemics they do come in waves.

    Don't think that makes it inevitable that we will experience one though and hopefully contact tracing system up and running, people continuing to work from home into Autumn/winter, banning of large gatherings like concerts and sports etc mitigates against the risk and keeps cases as low as possible.

    Guess short answer nobody and anyone that says with full confidence either way can't know that but I'd like to think public health experts are hoping for the best while preparing for the worst. And hopefully we avoid one and continue with as few cases as possible.

    Agree.
    I’m very wary of people who say they know anything with a large degree of confindence. It’s usually the younger type who got 500 points in their leaving who claim to know how it’s gonna go.



    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_that_I_know_nothing


  • #5237
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Agree.
    I’m very wary of people who say they know anything with a large degree of confindence. It’s usually the younger type who got 500 points in their leaving who claim to know how it’s gonna go.



    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_that_I_know_nothing

    I particularly like:

    “ The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.”


  • #5238
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,157 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Drumpot wrote: »
    I particularly like:

    “ The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.”

    Not sure what to make of that


  • #5239
    Hego Damask
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 842 ✭✭✭Hego Damask


    More good news ...
    https://youtu.be/Qg927g0HLjs?t=1118

    New type of Pneumonia in Kazhastan , not Covid 19 but worse death rate ... I mean WHAT THE F*CKKKKKK!!


  • #5240
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Great to see people dancing. Full disclosure. I’ve a good friend who lives in a massively affected state who happened to get infected.

    He is in a pub now in said state.

    I really respect this guy and he is genuinely on the ball about most things.

    I think if I had of contracted it I’d be screaming from the rafters to get back to normal.

    Unfortunately I don’t know the dynamics of this thing so might be best to err on side of caution.


  • #5241
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    obi604 wrote: »
    I haven’t looked at this thread in ages.
    Too long to read and most likely discussed 187 pages ago.

    But high level, Do ye reckon a second wave on the way for Ireland?

    Nobody knows. Time travel is not a thing yet.


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  • #5242
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,157 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Hego Damask wrote: »
    More good news ...
    https://youtu.be/Qg927g0HLjs?t=1118

    New type of Pneumonia in Kazhastan , not Covid 19 but worse death rate ... I mean WHAT THE F*CKKKKKK!!

    Ohh Mr Fearmongerer himself - already debunked as coronavirus


  • #5243
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,440 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Hego Damask wrote: »
    More good news ...
    https://youtu.be/Qg927g0HLjs?t=1118

    New type of Pneumonia in Kazhastan , not Covid 19 but worse death rate ... I mean WHAT THE F*CKKKKKK!!

    Hmm an outbreak of a mysterious pneumonia in Kazakhstan and nowhere else in the world, in the middle of a once in a lifetime global pandemic, with Kazakhstan having had relatively few deaths from that pandemic. How strange....

    No surprise that particular "doctor" picked up on it :rolleyes:


  • #5244
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,440 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    obi604 wrote: »
    I haven’t looked at this thread in ages.
    Too long to read and most likely discussed 187 pages ago.

    But high level, Do ye reckon a second wave on the way for Ireland?

    There's literally a thread on the first page of the forum entitled "Second Wave". Did it not occur to you to click on that?


  • #5245
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,732 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Interesting report from the Irish Times from Dublin Airport this morning, but according to their reporter, most of the people on board incoming US flights were Irish citizens or residents.

    There seems to be a lot of hysterical commentary on Twitter about thousands of American tourists arriving.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/us-passengers-fly-into-dublin-i-m-here-for-six-days-i-guess-i-ll-have-to-stay-inside-1.4302719

    I’m not really bothered what nationality they are, tbh - American or Irish, they need to quarantine upon arrival here from the US. There was an earlier post of someone whose friend met an Irish person in town last night who’d just returned from Florida who was already in his 4th pub of the evening and had no intention of quarantining.


  • #5246
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Decent article in the times from today.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/dublin-has-crowd-free-weekend-as-pubs-long-for-july-20th-restart-1.4302593?mode=amp


  • #5247
    jobeenfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭jobeenfitz


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Don't think anyone has actually defined what a second wave means in terms of cases but seems from past pandemics they do come in waves.

    Don't think that makes it inevitable that we will experience one though and hopefully contact tracing system up and running, people continuing to work from home into Autumn/winter, banning of large gatherings like concerts and sports etc mitigates against the risk and keeps cases as low as possible.

    Guess short answer nobody knows and anyone that says with full confidence either way can't know that but I'd like to think public health experts are hoping for the best while preparing for the worst. And hopefully we avoid one and continue with as few cases as possible.

    We have suppressed the first wave but its not gone. So if numbers just rose higher and higher when everything opens wouldn't that just be a continuation of the first wave.

    Does it have to mutate to be a 2nd wave? I'm thinking out loud.


  • #5248
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Hego Damask wrote: »
    More good news ...
    https://youtu.be/Qg927g0HLjs?t=1118

    New type of Pneumonia in Kazhastan , not Covid 19 but worse death rate ... I mean WHAT THE F*CKKKKKK!!


    The "Doctor" indeed. I was watching his stuff early on in this, but abandoned soon after. He has a problem for every solution

    This comment on that vid got my eye though
    Stay out of air conditioned public spaces.

    I thought cramped places with no ventilation was what this thing loved?

    It can't be both


  • #5249
    YellowBucket
    Closed Accounts Posts: 491 ✭✭YellowBucket


    Air conditioning isn’t ideal for this. Systems vary enormously but most recirculate a large % or the air and also move it around the room.

    So effectively you’re not getting fresh air, you’re getting chilled and dehumidified recirculating air, with some fresh added.

    They would need very effective HEPA filtration to remove virus particles, but many don’t do this and in big spaces air con tends to just blow stuff around.

    Outdoor spaces or spaces with open to the air, natural ventilation or very high fresh air replenishment are better.


  • #5250
    ChelseaRentBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 473 ✭✭ChelseaRentBoy


    Storm 10 wrote: »
    The hop on hop off bus is doing the rounds in Galway with tourists on board, I can't understand how tourists from the UK are banned yet there are loads of flights landing daily at our airports from the the UK

    My friends a transport manager for a coach company based in Dublin and he himself has been driving bus loads of Americans up and down the length of the country for weeks now as they have drivers refusing to do the work because the company won't put in screens like Dublin Bus have for their employees as an example.

    The yanks are still coming


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  • #5251
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    I thought cramped places with no ventilation was what this thing loved?

    It can't be both

    Re-circulation by ac.


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