Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

fritzelly · 12-07-2020 07:03PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Money, it's all about money, americans spend lots of it when they come over.

They really don't - the odd ones may but the majority do not, probably less their UK counterparts

stephenjmcd · 12-07-2020 07:03PM

Hmmm interesting..... 0 deaths 0 cases. Just a few shot dead instead
https://twitter.com/NorbertElekes/status/1282370935010603010?s=19

Eod100 · 12-07-2020 07:04PM

is_that_so wrote: »

The incubation period can be up to 14 days, it's usually a lot less. The notion that people will vanish and not self-isolate strikes me as more than absurd. Why exactly would they do that in the face of such a transmissible disease?

Maybe but there's a reason its 14 days to allow for maximum time but there have been cases where it was longer too, of course. I just don't think it's realistic to expect most of the people coming here for 14 days or less to self-isolate for that time. People would hardly travel from US to sit in a hotel room for that period. It's not about vanishing it's about potential risk of interacting with other people without self isolating.

owlbethere · 12-07-2020 07:05PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I have wondered if it was easier for our stand in government to make bolder calls since election until recently. They basically had little to lose as they were already elected out so were able to make tough, unpopular calls. This new government has a lot to lose now, I hope they don’t keep putting off things or avoid making tough calls that may not be popular. I also hope they keep up the communication that was good from FG.

Considering how many people have been complaining about our undemocratic stand in government, it would be ironic if this was part of the reason things were shut down when they were. Cancelling St Patrick’s day and closing schools was not a popular decision. It took a lot of poole a fair while to cop on to how serious things were.

I firmly believe the outgoing government had to put in the lockdon for people to take this virus seriously. Back in December it was reported people were dropping on the streets in China or wuhan. In January a novel corona virus was found. In February, news was of the virus spreading and emerging outside of China.

By early March, I was beginning to hibernate and stay away from public and crowded spaces. I was taking it seriously well before the government asked us to. The virus was reported to the population as if it was a flu. I had a feeling from the early days that it was much more than a flu. You don't see people dropping and falling on the street with a flu. Other people didn't care about the virus or they didn't understand it or they didn't want to understand. They played the threat of the virus down so much. 'sure, the virus is here now. Nothing we can do about it now except to welcome more of it in now'. People were divided.

I believe the government had to introduce the restrictions to get the message across to the population to take this virus seriously.

is_that_so · 12-07-2020 07:09PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Maybe but there's a reason its 14 days to allow for maximum time but there have been cases where it was longer too, of course. I just don't think it's realistic to expect most of the people coming here for 14 days or less to self-isolate for that time. People would hardly travel from US to sit in a hotel room for that period. It's not about vanishing it's about potential risk of interacting with other people without self isolating.

I think you need to accept this is going to be with us and that soon enough travel will reopen and cases will continue to emerge. No country has had huge problems from travel, save a few who had their own-goals.

expectationlost · 12-07-2020 07:11PM

Irish gov doesn't want to implement a unilateral ban on any country because then that country may ban Irish people

SimonTemplar · 12-07-2020 07:12PM

About the numbers of new cases that rose during the week and seem to be falling again, this seems to be consistent with the pattern of other countries. After the peak has passed, the numbers of daily new cases rises and falls but overall remains fairly stable at a low level. So a rise over a few days does not necessarily mean the start of a new wave. I haven't looked into this in any further detail, and there will be localised clusters, but wouldn't be surprised if Ireland starts to see a similar pattern over the coming weeks.

Eod100 · 12-07-2020 07:13PM

is_that_so wrote: »

I think you need to accept this is going to be with us and that soon enough travel will reopen and cases will continue to emerge. No country has had huge problems from travel, save a few who had their own-goals.

People say this as if travel will open back up at once. I can't see US being on any green list for foreseeable future. And if anything these measures for high risk countries are more needed when travel to and from other areas is expanded not less.

is_that_so · 12-07-2020 07:13PM

expectationlost wrote: »

Irish gov doesn't want to implement a unilateral ban on any country because then that country may ban Irish people

We can't do that with EU countries anyway.

Ficheall · 12-07-2020 07:13PM

fritzelly wrote: »

They really don't - the odd ones may but the majority do not, probably less their UK counterparts

I worked many summers in a tourist shop - we used to hate seeing the Americans coming in, because they talked loudly and asked questions and bought sweet eff all. Whereas the old Scots (despite their reputation) would just come in and ask for a dozen of this and half a dozen of the other, and then toddle off.
I realise this is just one scenario, but I'm finding it difficult to call to mind any American I've met who was overly generous with their cash. I'll think on it..

ChikiChiki · 12-07-2020 07:13PM

Anyone getting the feeling of an alarming rise in case numbers towards the end of the upcoming week?

Igotadose · 12-07-2020 07:13PM

is_that_so wrote: »

I think you need to accept this is going to be with us and that soon enough travel will reopen and cases will continue to emerge. No country has had huge problems from travel, save a few who had their own-goals.

Mandating masks and keeping out visitors from the Covid hotspots until they're less hot will help. Other countries more open to travel, especially European ones, have far more robust health systems than the HSE. Italy, Spain, France, UK are all much larger, better funded and have better results per capita than Ireland when it comes to health care. UK's doing poorly for Covid due to laughably incompetent government, but normally we'd trade the HSE for the NHS in a blink.

Ireland's health care can't cope with a big pandemic.

expectationlost · 12-07-2020 07:14PM

is_that_so wrote: »

We can't do that with EU countries anyway.

I said unilateral.
atleast within the EU theres a method of agreement

Itssoeasy · 12-07-2020 07:15PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Anyone getting the feeling of an alarming rise in case numbers towards the end of the upcoming week?

No.

Eod100 · 12-07-2020 07:15PM

expectationlost wrote: »

Irish gov doesn't want to implement a unilateral ban on any country because then that country may ban Irish people

I don't think anyone is suggesting a ban, just a properly functioning and enforced quarantine system for travel from high risk countries. US doesn't let in Irish citizens or residents so wouldn't change that

Be right back · 12-07-2020 07:16PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Anyone getting the feeling of an alarming rise in case numbers towards the end of the upcoming week?

No, why do you think that?

JP Liz V1 · 12-07-2020 07:16PM

expectationlost wrote: »

Irish gov doesn't want to implement a unilateral ban on any country because then that country may ban Irish people

Hasn't Trump's America already banned the Irish

Jim_Hodge · 12-07-2020 07:16PM

expectationlost wrote: »

Irish gov doesn't want to implement a unilateral ban on any country because then that country may ban Irish people

You mean the US would stop Irish entering the states????:rolleyes:

is_that_so · 12-07-2020 07:17PM

Igotadose wrote: »

Mandating masks and keeping out visitors from the Covid hotspots until they're less hot will help. Other countries more open to travel, especially European ones, have far more robust health systems than the HSE. Italy, Spain, France, UK are all much larger, better funded and have better results per capita than Ireland when it comes to health care. UK's doing poorly for Covid due to laughably incompetent government, but normally we'd trade the HSE for the NHS in a blink.

Ireland's health care can't cope with a big pandemic.

We won't have a big pandemic. The issues in March no longer exist, with testing, protection of care locations and our own understanding of this.

Boggles · 12-07-2020 07:18PM

SimonTemplar wrote: »

About the numbers of new cases that rose during the week and seem to be falling again, this seems to be consistent with the pattern of other countries. After the peak has passed, the numbers of daily new cases rises and falls but overall remains fairly stable at a low level. So a rise over a few days does not necessarily mean the start of a new wave. I haven't looked into this in any further detail, and there will be localised clusters, but wouldn't be surprised if Ireland starts to see a similar pattern over the coming weeks.

Face masks have been compulsory in all those 4 countries for the entire summer so far.

is_that_so · 12-07-2020 07:19PM

expectationlost wrote: »

I said unilateral.
atleast within the EU theres a method of agreement

We only do unilateral with foot and mouth!

ChikiChiki · 12-07-2020 07:20PM

Be right back wrote: »

No, why do you think that?

Just from observations having been out in town Friday night and this afternoon. Although Dame land was silent Friday night walking by.

Seems to be more groups living across different households congregating in the bars that are open etc. Along with tourists coming back into the country. I think we will see a rise but it will be enough to serve as a reminder. Just my 2cents, sincerely hope its not the case.

SimonTemplar · 12-07-2020 07:21PM

Boggles wrote: »

Face masks have been compulsory in all those 4 countries for the entire summer so far.

Another reason why our gov need to start enforcing mask wearing in shops and public transport.

Drumpot · 12-07-2020 07:23PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Anyone getting the feeling of an alarming rise in case numbers towards the end of the upcoming week?

Alarming rise? What would that look like?

I Don’t think you completely eradicate the virus from a country while it’s in other countries. Certainly not while it’s so prevelant.

For political or economical reasons there seems to be some propaganda horsesh*t about schools and travel being ok without any scientific evidence to back it up. So it looks like we are being primed to just accept the virus, accept a certain level of infections and until a vaccine is found there will prob be mixed messages.

This is a virus. It doesn’t avoid schools or airports or planes, no matter what anybody tries to tell us. It’s very similar to wartime propaganda when the country needs bodies to goto the slaughter, governments will give whatever message they think the country needs. Right now the message is to try and get back to some sort of normalcy. It made sense to say masks were not required early on because they couldn’t get enough PPE equipment to medical staff. That’s why they have changed their Tone. Not just that, we don’t have all the answers on this virus , why are people surprised mistakes are being made?

Mind you, I don’t think they have an easy job, many people don’t want the truth, so if it makes it easier for them to think schools and foreign travel is fine, then it suits the powers at be to promote it.

JJayoo · 12-07-2020 07:23PM

Another thing to factor in, when thinking about Florida/California/California in particular, is the amount of undocumented immigrants who are very hesitant to go seek medical help.

Florida for example has a shocking situation regarding illegal immigrant women turning up.with stage 4 breast cancer, they avoid seeking treatment for fear of being arrested/deported.

So there will be clusters of people actively trying to keep under the radar

Boggles · 12-07-2020 07:23PM

is_that_so wrote: »

We won't have a big pandemic. The issues in March no longer exist, with testing, protection of care locations and our own understanding of this.

You mean we hopefully won't have a "big pandemic".

Unless you have next weeks lotto numbers for me?

fritzelly · 12-07-2020 07:25PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Anyone getting the feeling of an alarming rise in case numbers towards the end of the upcoming week?

Are you living in the states - else your comment is ludicrous

JJayoo · 12-07-2020 07:25PM

When cases are identified in American tourists and the media gets hold of it I wonder will we see an army of drones shutting down Dublin airport

road_high · 12-07-2020 07:28PM

Ficheall wrote: »

I worked many summers in a tourist shop - we used to hate seeing the Americans coming in, because they talked loudly and asked questions and bought sweet eff all. Whereas the old Scots (despite their reputation) would just come in and ask for a dozen of this and half a dozen of the other, and then toddle off.
I realise this is just one scenario, but I'm finding it difficult to call to mind any American I've met who was overly generous with their cash. I'll think on it..

I’ve heard that said too from people in hospitality. Most Americans are tight as a ducks arse with cash. And high maintenance for anything they do spend

ACitizenErased · 12-07-2020 07:31PM

Cork GAA Statement:

Cork County Board has been informed by Glanworth GAA that a player has tested positive for Covid 19.

https://gaacork.ie/2020/07/12/cork-gaa-statement/

Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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