Jack Charlton has died

TheDenialTwist · 12-07-2020 12:51PM

khalessi wrote: »

This is sad news, remember the craic driving around Stephens Green after he led Ireland to a win against England. Pure gentleman.

He deserves a statue

Yes, he has a statue, in Cork Airport

Ipso · 12-07-2020 03:52PM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

So you would not even make an effort for your Son. His team just won the league - but he opens up to you , about something he know you can relate to.

He also knows you hate what he loves.

Dad of the year.

I don’t think his son’s a scouser.

Beechwoodspark · 12-07-2020 04:19PM

Thought Brian Kerr was fairly begrudging just now on Newstalk - did anyone else hear it

He said Charlton and Maurice setters had ZERO interest in the domestic game which he found depressing.

Said charlton imposed a dour style on Ireland but in fairness, JC achieved qualification where other managers in the past like Giles didn’t.

He said it says it all that jack couldn’t find a role for Liam Brady in his team.

Also, he told some story about Jack unceremoniously taking over a team talk at half time during an u-21 match which led to the manager resigning. Got the feeling he saw it as rude and unnecessary.

And another story where jack mixed up Northern Ireland and the republic

Overall I’d say Kerr is not Jacks biggest fan. Which is a pity as I admire both.

12-07-2020 04:42PM

TheDenialTwist wrote: »

Yes, he has a statue, in Cork Airport

I'm racking my brain for an obvious answer to this but not coming up with anything -- why Cork? Not aware of any link to him there, AFAIK he only lived in Mayo and Dublin.

Beechwoodspark · 12-07-2020 04:43PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I'm racking my brain for an obvious answer to this but not coming up with anything -- why Cork? Not aware of any link to him there, AFAIK he only lived in Mayo and Dublin.

He fished rivers in cork over the years

Strumms · 12-07-2020 04:59PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Thought Brian Kerr was fairly begrudging just now on Newstalk - did anyone else hear it

He said Charlton and Maurice setters had ZERO interest in the domestic game which he found depressing.

Said charlton imposed a dour style on Ireland but in fairness, JC achieved qualification where other managers in the past like Giles didn’t.

He said it says it all that jack couldn’t find a role for Liam Brady in his team.

Also, he told some story about Jack unceremoniously taking over a team talk at half time during an u-21 match which led to the manager resigning. Got the feeling he saw it as rude and unnecessary.

And another story where jack mixed up Northern Ireland and the republic

Overall I’d say Kerr is not Jacks biggest fan. Which is a pity as I admire both.

Jacks job was to bring success to the irish team... he brought together the best talent to enable that.... 80-90% of his squads were playing top division football... all were professional footballers... the League of Ireland were 100% amateur players... with day jobs... if they were good enough they played... they were not so they didnt.

Justin Credible Darts · 12-07-2020 05:07PM

Strumms wrote: »

Jacks job was to bring success to the irish team... he brought together the best talent to enable that.... 80-90% of his squads were playing top division football... all were professional footballers... the League of Ireland were 100% amateur players... with day jobs... if they were good enough they played... they were not so they didnt.

Exactly, the likes of kerr, dunphy and the others who slated jack, did so to make themselves seem more important as if they were jealous of what Jack achieved.

Strumms · 12-07-2020 05:19PM

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

Exactly, the likes of kerr, dunphy and the others who slated jack, did so to make themselves seem more important as if they were jealous of what Jack achieved.

Kerr was always a LOI guy... he should never have been allowed near an rte mic to offer an opinion on a sport at a level far and away from where he had any involvment, he should neither have been allowed near the Irish International team to manage them..

Akin to allowing some auld lad whod driven a milk float for 30 years being asked to pilot a 747 to Mexico.

Kerr.. nice fella, means well. Should have known his limits though.. so should the FAI.

TheDenialTwist · 12-07-2020 05:26PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I'm racking my brain for an obvious answer to this but not coming up with anything -- why Cork? Not aware of any link to him there, AFAIK he only lived in Mayo and Dublin.

Why not Cork? It's been there since 1994 so I'm not really sure why are you only wracking your brain now. It's our tribute to this great legend and how much ordinary people here in Cork appreciated him.

He frequently fished in Cork, as he did in many Counties in Ireland. Hence, the statue of the late great Jack with salmon in his hands next to pond in Cork Airport.

EmmetSpiceland · 12-07-2020 05:33PM

TheDenialTwist wrote: »

Why not Cork? It's been there since 1994 so I'm not really sure why are you only wracking your brain now. It's our tribute to this great legend and how much ordinary people here in Cork appreciated him.

He frequently fished in Cork, as he did in many Counties in Ireland. Hence, the statue of the late great Jack with salmon in his hands next to pond in Cork Airport.

I read all of that in a strong, angry, cork accent.

dublinman1990 · 12-07-2020 06:06PM

The FAI's online book of condolence for Jack Charlton is not live at the moment. The address for it has crashed.

https://www.fai.ie/ireland/jack-charlton-rip

They are doing a nice gesture by giving the online condolences for Jack to his family once it finishes on the 27th of July.

Has anyone made an online condolence on it yet?

Elmer Blooker · 12-07-2020 06:09PM

He sure was one lucky manager compared with poor Eoin Hand before him who was cursed!
Scotland got us to Euro '88 and we needed Spain to beat Denmark to get to USA '94. No one did us any favours before Jack came along.
He should have called it a day after USA '94 but he was enjoying the adulation too much and having to never buy a pint might have had something to do with it.
He had lost interest for the Euro '96 campaign and even allowed the players to go on the lash before a match v Austria in Dublin as he went fishing!
We lost home and away to Austria (who finished 4th behind N.I. IN 3rd) and managed a 0-0 draw with Lietchenstein and eventually missed out qualifying.
Its tragic we missed out as Ireland playing in the Euros in England would have been special but Mr Charlton couldn't have been arsed at that stage and had lost interest.

TheDenialTwist · 12-07-2020 06:12PM

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

I read all of that in a strong, angry, cork accent.

Sorry to disappoint but I don't have a Cork accent and I'm not angry at all

12-07-2020 06:26PM

TheDenialTwist wrote: »

Why not Cork? It's been there since 1994 so I'm not really sure why are you only wracking your brain now. It's our tribute to this great legend and how much ordinary people here in Cork appreciated him.

He frequently fished in Cork, as he did in many Counties in Ireland. Hence, the statue of the late great Jack with salmon in his hands next to pond in Cork Airport.

No offence intended, I'd have wondered the same thing if it'd had been erected in Limerick or Galway. It seems like a tenuous link, but no doubt a positive reflection on the stature of the man in Irish life -- he even got cast in bronze before Collins did.

TheDenialTwist · 12-07-2020 06:52PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

No offence intended, I'd have wondered the same thing if it'd had been erected in Limerick or Galway. It seems like a tenuous link, but no doubt a positive reflection on the stature of the man in Irish life -- he even got cast in bronze before Collins did.

No offence taken whatsoever. I guess I just wondered why you were seeking a 'link' as to why there would be a Statue of Jack in Cork. A Statue that has been there for what seems like forever (1994). Jack was Manager of ROI not manager of Dublin. I guess Cork just got there first

Beechwoodspark · 12-07-2020 07:13PM

Strumms wrote: »

Kerr was always a LOI guy... he should never have been allowed near an rte mic to offer an opinion on a sport at a level far and away from where he had any involvment, he should neither have been allowed near the Irish International team to manage them..

Akin to allowing some auld lad whod driven a milk float for 30 years being asked to pilot a 747 to Mexico.

Kerr.. nice fella, means well. Should have known his limits though.. so should the FAI.

As a Kerr fan (and jack fan) that is unfair

Do you realise how successful Kerr was around 97-98 with the youth team - look it up you might be surprised. Kerr is highly qualified in terms of professional coaching too.

He also did a decent job as manager of Ireland seniors - MUCH better than Staunton for example and also I would have preferred him to Trap.

Your view, with respect, is downright ignorant

Beechwoodspark · 12-07-2020 07:17PM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

He sure was one lucky manager compared with poor Eoin Hand before him who was cursed!
Scotland got us to Euro '88 and we needed Spain to beat Denmark to get to USA '94. No one did us any favours before Jack came along.
He should have called it a day after USA '94 but he was enjoying the adulation too much and having to never buy a pint might have had something to do with it.
He had lost interest for the Euro '96 campaign and even allowed the players to go on the lash before a match v Austria in Dublin as he went fishing!
We lost home and away to Austria (who finished 4th behind N.I. IN 3rd) and managed a 0-0 draw with Lietchenstein and eventually missed out qualifying.
Its tragic we missed out as Ireland playing in the Euros in England would have been special but Mr Charlton couldn't have been arsed at that stage and had lost interest.

Agree. He should’ve been sent on his way with a handshake after USA 94. Have a nice tribute night for him and say thank you Jack well done.

With Hindsight We should’ve got in a new manager at that stage for the Euro 96 campaign.

It’s a pity we as next door neighrbours didn’t make that tournament and as you say it was do-able but charlton wasn’t as motivated after 94.

A certain rot had set in, for example case in point the Harry Ramsdens affair and a “fcuk it, it’ll do” approach.

BorneTobyWilde · 12-07-2020 07:18PM

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Jack was a one off. His passion was key, I don't even know who the manager is these days.

Strumms · 12-07-2020 08:38PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

As a Kerr fan (and jack fan) that is unfair

Do you realise how successful Kerr was around 97-98 with the youth team - look it up you might be surprised. Kerr is highly qualified in terms of professional coaching too.

He also did a decent job as manager of Ireland seniors - MUCH better than Staunton for example and also I would have preferred him to Trap.

Your view, with respect, is downright ignorant

Kerr was a talented underage coach, correct. That’s all, his abilities didnt translate into the upper echelons of the sport.
Practically every Ireland manager did better than Steve Staunton whose teams dropped points or failed to win in 11 games out of the 17 he managed Ireland, winning only 6... if that’s a standard we are aspiring to, fûck. A win ratio of about 35%. 15% worse than big Jack.

Jacks win ratio was 50%

Played 94

Winning 47

Drew 30

Lost 17

Goals for 128 against 63

Those are facts, not ignorance.

chopperbyrne · 12-07-2020 09:10PM

Kerr's Ireland record.

Brian Kerr

Played - 33

Won - 18 (55%)

Drew - 11 (33%)

Lost - 4 (12%)

Goals For - 39

Goals Against - 20

Not much between them.

Jack gave football in Ireland a massive boost it needed since the decline of the League of Ireland, and the rise of Irish people primarily supporting English teams through televised games.

His teams inspired a generation of players. Robbie Keane would have been 8 for Euro 88 and 10 for Italy 90.

By all accounts, a very nice man to anyone who ever met him outside of football.

Strumms · 12-07-2020 09:17PM

What’s between them is Jack took us to three out of four major championships and that included a World Cup quarter final. Kerr, took us nowhere.

Montage of Feck · 12-07-2020 09:24PM

Strumms wrote: »

Kerr was always a LOI guy... he should never have been allowed near an rte mic to offer an opinion on a sport at a level far and away from where he had any involvment, he should neither have been allowed near the Irish International team to manage them..

Akin to allowing some auld lad whod driven a milk float for 30 years being asked to pilot a 747 to Mexico.

Kerr.. nice fella, means well. Should have known his limits though.. so should the FAI.

Know his limits ffs? Kerr brought great success to Ireland, he is the only irish manager to win anything, a double of underage European championships.

Strumms · 12-07-2020 09:31PM

Montage of Feck wrote: »

Know his limits ffs? Kerr brought great success to Ireland, he is the only irish manager to win anything, a double of underage European championships.

Kerr is deserving of plaudits for those achievements but he achieved zero in the senior game, either in club or international management. Jack on the other hand as pointed out to you, did.

JohnnyFlash · 12-07-2020 10:00PM

Brian Kerr is a national treasure.

Montage of Feck · 12-07-2020 10:08PM

Strumms wrote: »

Kerr is deserving of plaudits for those achievements but he achieved zero in the senior game, either in club or international management. Jack on the other hand as pointed out to you, did.

He wasn't given much of a chance in fairness, as far as remember he was given the arse end of the of the qualification campaign after mick McCarthy left.

ShamNNspace · 12-07-2020 10:15PM

Strumms wrote: »

What’s between them is Jack took us to three out of four major championships and that included a World Cup quarter final. Kerr, took us nowhere.

Kerr got 2 and a half years fair enough, but if mackay didn't score that goal Jack might have been down the road too. A lucky general at the start but I'm glad we persevered with him

Strumms · 12-07-2020 10:43PM

Brian didn’t get us qualified for any tournaments unfortunately. That’s his failure, and the teams sadly.

Justin Credible Darts · 12-07-2020 10:43PM

Strumms wrote: »

Kerr was always a LOI guy... he should never have been allowed near an rte mic to offer an opinion on a sport at a level far and away from where he had any involvment, he should neither have been allowed near the Irish International team to manage them..

Akin to allowing some auld lad whod driven a milk float for 30 years being asked to pilot a 747 to Mexico.

Kerr.. nice fella, means well. Should have known his limits though.. so should the FAI.

Maybe the FAI hired him cos he came cheap. ?

The FAI Big wigs had no problem paying themselves vast sums though

Hego Damask · 12-07-2020 10:57PM

RIP
Something truly magical about that 1990 world cup - and the lead up to it.
I was in 5th class going into 6th and that's that golden age where you have the best friends you'll ever have .... amazing, had one friend who was really into the football, more then me, but it was just contagious - he had a great t shirt of the Ireland 1 - 1 England .... goal by sheedy, and the England GK was smashing his head against the post ...

McGinniesta · 12-07-2020 11:01PM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

He sure was one lucky manager compared with poor Eoin Hand before him who was cursed!
Scotland got us to Euro '88 and we needed Spain to beat Denmark to get to USA '94. No one did us any favours before Jack came along.
He should have called it a day after USA '94 but he was enjoying the adulation too much and having to never buy a pint might have had something to do with it.
He had lost interest for the Euro '96 campaign and even allowed the players to go on the lash before a match v Austria in Dublin as he went fishing!
We lost home and away to Austria (who finished 4th behind N.I. IN 3rd) and managed a 0-0 draw with Lietchenstein and eventually missed out qualifying.
Its tragic we missed out as Ireland playing in the Euros in England would have been special but Mr Charlton couldn't have been arsed at that stage and had lost interest.

Since when is results going your way a bad thing?

Scotland couldn't get themselves to Euro 88. To suggest that they got us there is a foolish remark. We lost one game in qualifying (away to Bulgaria in controversial circumstances) and we topped our group and were one of only 8 teams to qualify. 24 teams qualify now and Scotland still can't get themselves there.

The way the game in Belfast developed we did well to get the draw

Jack Charlton has died

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