Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

Renjit · 12-07-2020 01:27PM

Boggles wrote: »

Sure we are constantly learning, we might apply the knowledge to Wave 3 The Reckoning!

Only in the third part the ring of covid will be destroyed by the fires of mount doom

stephenjmcd · 12-07-2020 01:28PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/e_whizz/status/1282199534093950976?s=21

Fair play to him to cancelling.

Its not mandatory and at this stage its just a joke, go with the travel lists applied with the rest of the EU and get it over with.

Eod100 · 12-07-2020 01:28PM

wadacrack wrote: »

Should be implemented here

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1282282916937191424

I don't think that would work with the incubation period being 14 days. Could test negative on arrival but could test positive within a few days so gives false sense of security I think.

Eod100 · 12-07-2020 01:31PM

theballz wrote: »

I’m absolutely furious.

My friend was in town lastnight. She said she was chatting to irish guy who just got back from Florida that morning. He didn’t give a f**k about self isolating nor did he care about the fact he was coming from the one of the worst states in the US for covid cases. At the point she got chatting to him he had said it was his 4th bar in city centre that he visited with his friends.

She cleverly got his name and social media account on Instagram. This morning, we called the local Garda station in his area - the Garda was absolutely useless and unhelpful. He stated “have you googled what to do when you meet someone like this? I’m unsure how we can help.”

I was told to ring the anonymous tip off line and leave a message. In the meantime this f*cking clown is out and about around Dublin ignoring guidelines and potentially spreading this virus from place to place.

This country is f**king joke and a second wave is closer than we think.

I didn't even think there was one? That would really put people off going out to pubs and restaurants so could end up hobbling the domestic industry. This half arsed approach is stupid.

Also are Gardai not the ones meant to be enforcing the slef-isolation? What are they meant to do if someone is clearly breaking it? Shrug their shoulders?

wadacrack · 12-07-2020 01:34PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

To be honest its not really a solution either while its a good idea, firstly we don't have the capacity and secondly you could easily test negative on arrival and test postive the next day.

Its not perfect but would help mitigate the risk

theballz · 12-07-2020 01:35PM

Eod100 wrote: »

I didn't even think there was one? That would really put people off going out to pubs and restaurants so could end up hobbling the domestic industry. This half arsed approach is stupid.

Also are Gardai not the ones meant to be enforcing the slef-isolation? What are they meant to do if someone is clearly breaking it? Shrug their shoulders?

Apparently so but the Garda in Rathmines station don’t seem to be too aware of this.

His response was “Well what do you expect us to do?”

Typical lazy Irish public sector mentality (I know they are not all like this - but I’m clearly furious.) This upper class Gonzaga fool feels he is bigger than society and can get away with what he likes.

The tip off line was the same one they have had for years. It is not dedicated to covid.

It’s so wrong.

Eod100 · 12-07-2020 01:38PM

theballz wrote: »

Apparently so but the Garda in Rathmines station don’t seem to be too aware of this.

His response was “Well what do you expect us today?”

Typical lazy Irish public sector mentality (I know they are not all like this - but I’m clearly furious.) This upper class Gonzaga fool feels he is bigger than society and can get away with what he likes.

It’s so wrong.

I think to be fair to Gardai I don't know is there much clarity on how rules should be enforced but would think they'd be proactive about it.

Did your friend try tell bar staff/manager? It's in their best interests not to have someone who could have it and be spreading it. Would be very bad for their business if infection happened there even if it's through no fault of their own

LawBoy2018 · 12-07-2020 01:38PM

Upon arrival in Vancouver, travellers are tested at the airport and then quarantine in a hotel until they test negative. There is absolutely no reason as to why that couldn't be implemented here.

EDit · 12-07-2020 01:40PM

Eod100 wrote: »

I didn't even think there was one? That would really put people off going out to pubs and restaurants so could end up hobbling the domestic industry. This half arsed approach is stupid.

Also are Gardai not the ones meant to be enforcing the slef-isolation? What are they meant to do if someone is clearly breaking it? Shrug their shoulders?

My understanding is that they don’t have any legal basis to enforce anything other than completion of the self-isolation form when visitors arrive at the airport/port.

In others words, other than giving someone a talking to, they Gards are powerless

Eod100 · 12-07-2020 01:42PM

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

Upon arrival in Vancouver, travellers are tested at the airport and the quarantine in a hotel until they test negative. There is absolutely no reason as to why that couldn't be implemented here.

Varadkar said it's because state doesn't have enough hotel rooms. But surely it would only be from high risk and having quarantine would really discourage travel unless for an essential reason and staying longer than 14 days. Plus if people have to pay for some of the accomodation.

Eod100 · 12-07-2020 01:44PM

EDit wrote: »

My understanding is that they don’t have any legal basis to enforce anything other than completion of the self-isolation form when visitors arrive at the airport/port.

In others words, other than giving someone a talking to, they Gards are powerless

I thought they or HSE were calling people and even reports of Gardai calling to door to check on people? But yeah if its not mandatory and so can't be enforced you'd wonder what's the point of this charade tbh?

EDit · 12-07-2020 01:47PM

Eod100 wrote: »

I thought they or HSE were calling people and even reports of Gardai calling to door to check on people? But yeah if its not mandatory and so can't be enforced you'd wonder what's the point of this charade tbh?

Yes, I’ve heard about the telephone calls as well, but I believe that they are hoping that the “threat” is sufficient to keep people in line. If someone isn’t where they said they would be or is found to be out and about (when they should be in isolation) I don’t think there is an actual law being broken, so the Gards can’t charge the person with anything.

Obviously, that should be changed ASAP, otherwise our rules are toothless

FishOnABike · 12-07-2020 01:48PM

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

Upon arrival in Vancouver, travellers are tested at the airport and then quarantine in a hotel until they test negative. There is absolutely no reason as to why that couldn't be implemented here.

Because of the incubation period a person could test negative on arrival but have CoViD-19 and be capable of spreading it during their stay.

Rob A. Bank · 12-07-2020 01:48PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/e_whizz/status/1282199534093950976?s=21

That company deserves all the support we can give them after their courageous stance in trying to stop covid spread around the island... doing what the government should have done.

And it will cost them financially after refusing the Yanks.

Thinking of a cycling holiday in Clare or the west of Ireland ?

Their website... https://e-whizz.com/wordpress/

Eod100 · 12-07-2020 01:49PM

EDit wrote: »

Yes, I’ve heard about the telephone calls as well, but I believe that they are hoping that the “threat” is sufficient to keep people in line. If someone isn’t where they said they would be or is found to be out and about (when they should be in isolation) I don’t think there is an actual law being broken, so the Gards can’t charge the person with anything.

Obviously, that should be changed ASAP, otherwise our rules are toothless

I know the constant line is they don't want to make a measure mandatory unless they have to. But it's a really head in sand approach. Masks should have been brought in weeks ago, this should have been brought in weeks ago.

It's easier to enforce while travel is low and also sends out message to people thinking of coming here

LawBoy2018 · 12-07-2020 01:50PM

FishOnABike wrote: »

Because of the incubation period a person could test negative on arrival but have CoViD-19 and be capable of spreading it during their stay.

But wouldn't it be more effective than the current system?

Eod100 · 12-07-2020 01:51PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/e_whizz/status/1282199534093950976?s=21

Massive respect to them. But it's a joke that the onus is on businesses to refuse business. They've gone above and beyond.

LawBoy2018 · 12-07-2020 01:52PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Varadkar said it's because state doesn't have enough hotel rooms. But surely it would only be from high risk and having quarantine would really discourage travel unless for an essential reason and staying longer than 14 days. Plus if people have to pay for some of the accomodation.

There's plenty of hotel rooms and hotelliers would only be delighted with the increased capacity. The people travelling should pay for the accomodation themselves, as they do upon arriving in Vancouver.

theballz · 12-07-2020 02:01PM

Eod100 wrote: »

I think to be fair to Gardai I don't know is there much clarity on how rules should be enforced but would think they'd be proactive about it.

Did your friend try tell bar staff/manager? It's in their best interests not to have someone who could have it and be spreading it. Would be very bad for their business if infection happened there even if it's through no fault of their own

I don’t know if the bar staff were told. I’ve called Donnybrook station who were a little more helpful but stated since the covid cases have died down they have stopped calling to houses (I wouldn’t be surprised if they never did.)

HSE have explained that you have to complete a form in Dublin airport upon arrival for the HSE to have on file. They do not test in the airport.

When you hear about measure taken in the likes of Vancouver compared to Dublin, you can only be concerned.

expectationlost · 12-07-2020 02:05PM

Pygmalion owner Paul McGlade said: "People were ringing the guards to complain but they were wrong because no one in the queue is drinking. We've lines and stickers on the ground to help social distancing. The crowds are due to us having a Michelin Guide pizza chef." https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/friday-night-on-the-town-is-just-not-the-same-anymore-in-post-lockdown-ireland-39360562.html the Q was the problem

expectationlost · 12-07-2020 02:05PM

anybody confront all these America tourists they are seeing?

Eod100 · 12-07-2020 02:05PM

theballz wrote: »

I don’t know if the bar staff were told. I’ve called Donnybrook station who were a little more helpful but stated since the covid cases have died down they have stopped calling to houses (I wouldn’t be surprised if they never did.)

HSE have explained that you have to complete a form in Dublin airport upon arrival for the HSE to have on file. They do not test in the airport.

When you hear about measure taken in the likes of Vancouver compared to Dublin, you can only be concerned.

Fair play for being so proactive. Shouldn't have to be your responsibility at all. This relaxed approach is a joke tbh.

expectationlost · 12-07-2020 02:06PM

https://twitter.com/e_whizz/status/1282199534093950976

12-07-2020 02:07PM

Eod100 wrote: »

In UK there's a £1,000 fine if you don't self-isolate. Need to have that here at minimum

The quarantine in the UK is as weakly enforced as Ireland. Only 40% of people are called and as far as I understand no one has ever been fined.

The whole self isolation thing in Ireland and the UK is based on an implied threat, and a stirring up of public anger in order to shame holidaymakers to not go to Spain for their 2 weeks.

Obviously wouldn’t work on Americans, as those travelling are those that wouldn’t give a feck about quarantine or the virus generally

expectationlost · 12-07-2020 02:08PM

theballz wrote: »

I’m absolutely furious.

My friend was in town lastnight. She said she was chatting to irish guy who just got back from Florida that morning. He didn’t give a f**k about self isolating nor did he care about the fact he was coming from the one of the worst states in the US for covid cases. At the point she got chatting to him he had said it was his 4th bar in city centre that he visited with his friends.

She cleverly got his name and social media account on Instagram. This morning, we called the local Garda station in his area - the Garda was absolutely useless and unhelpful. He stated “have you googled what to do when you meet someone like this? I’m unsure how we can help.”

I was told to ring the anonymous tip off line and leave a message. In the meantime this f*cking clown is out and about around Dublin ignoring guidelines and potentially spreading this virus from place to place.

This country is f**king joke and a second wave is closer than we think.

ring the Department of Foreign Affairs, and let them see if he filled in a form.

Eod100 · 12-07-2020 02:08PM

She's dead right. Social Democrats dont get much attention because of their size but think Shortall has been strong throughout this. https://twitter.com/RoisinShortall/status/1282227066101018625?s=19

stephenjmcd · 12-07-2020 02:11PM

expectationlost wrote: »

ring the Department of Foreign Affairs, to see if he filled in a form.

Pointless, GDPR you can't request that.

There isn't any way to report any of this because technically no laws have been broken. The Gardai can't do anything about it.

theballz · 12-07-2020 02:11PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Fair play for being so proactive. Shouldn't have to be your responsibility at all. This relaxed approach is a joke tbh.

I feel like it’s our duty. When we see our frontline workers have to go through and how the mental strain this whole thing has put on people (particularly my parents,) I can to sit by and watch - no one should.

I’ve sourced where this guy lives, to the point I’ve now called the Garda back and given the address. I’ve tried to hold them accountable and stated that this is a case and needs to be looked into.

The Garda on the phone said “I will have to speak with my supervisor.”

Rob A. Bank · 12-07-2020 02:11PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Massive respect to them. But it's a joke that the onus is on businesses to refuse business. They've gone above and beyond.

This fantastic run may be coming to an end.

The present government's inaction and dithering is a carbon copy of the fiasco we had with Italian tourists around St. Patricks Day.

And we all know the high price we paid for that.

Eod100 · 12-07-2020 02:12PM

expectationlost wrote: »

ring the Department of Foreign Affairs, to see if he filled in a form.

They're hardly going to tell someone with GDPR. Think it's a HSE record rather than DFA too

Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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