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Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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  • #4772
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Cousin has texted me that a Group of Americans just got off a bus with dublin plates in Kildare Village shopping outlet about 20 mins ago.

    Mainly 50+. No masks.

    Ah Lads this is absolutely ridiculous carry on.

    The infection rate WILL rise if we keep allowing Americans in to wander around the country

    Kildare village, such a nice place. Should visit sometime soon.


  • #4773
    Zonda999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,536 ✭✭✭Zonda999


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Am very disappointed with the lack of clear direction from the new Administration. What are they waiting for, they have been aware of the situation since March.

    This is not a FF bashing thing, but honestly compared to the previous Admin, there is no comparison WRT clear signals and communication.

    I'm no lover of FG either, but have to give them credit for their clear information, and noting the zeitgeist at the time. It worked well. But now? Not so good, mixed messages all over the shop.

    So people will go off on a solo run, it's inevitable.

    Well considering toward the end of June, Leo Varadkar who was still Taoiseach at the time was on about opening up to certain countries without a quarantine requirement. That didn;t happen once the new government were actually brought in so I wonder was it Fianna Fail who didn't want to be seen to the undoers of good by actually going ahead with it


  • #4774
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,130 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Where are the mixed messages? The previous Government gave very mixed messages on face masks.

    Yes I agree with you on that point, but mask wearing now is being encouraged, and I use one when going to the shop and anywhere indoors without fail. Might not save me, but might save others.

    As for the mixed messages, well.... travel abroad?, allowing all and sundry in? Non food pubs? Few know what to think anymore.


  • #4775
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,130 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Polar101 wrote: »
    The rest of the country has been locking Dublin down pretty much every day since the pandemic started, so nothing new there.

    Dublin will be grand if locked down, it is the capital, everything on your doorstep, be fine.

    Should be a passport control at all entrances to keep away the boggers lol :P


  • #4776
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Yes I agree with you on that point, but mask wearing now is being encouraged, and I use one when going to the shop and anywhere indoors without fail. Might not save me, but might save others.

    As for the mixed messages, well.... travel abroad?, allowing all and sundry in? Non food pubs? Few know what to think anymore.

    The message on travel abroad is the same now as it was under the previous Government.

    In relation to food and non food pubs, it was the previous Government who made the decision on the reopening of pubs.


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  • #4777
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Am very disappointed with the lack of clear direction from the new Administration. What are they waiting for, they have been aware of the situation since March.

    This is not a FF bashing thing, but honestly compared to the previous Admin, there is no comparison WRT clear signals and communication.

    I'm no lover of FG either, but have to give them credit for their clear information, and noting the zeitgeist at the time. It worked well. But now? Not so good, mixed messages all over the shop.

    So people will go off on a solo run, it's inevitable.

    Agree with this. Even though Simon Harris’s updates were a bit wishy washy, he was on Twitter live every single day putting a message out.


  • #4778
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    quartz1 wrote: »
    To be fair ....he is reporting a fact.

    72 hours, why not give the infection rate for the last 240 hours or the last 480 hours?
    Seems like scaremongering tbh.


  • #4779
    AUDI20
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 385 ✭✭AUDI20


    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    Face masks highly effective against Covid-19, new evidence suggests

    Three new studies from Germany, Britain and the United States have indicated face masks are highly effective in stopping the spread of coronavirus from person to person.

    The results indicated that wearing a face covering was the most effective measure against the virus, followed by distancing, and avoiding common areas.

    The researchers found that if people wear face masks whether they have symptoms or not, it is twice as effective at curbing the spread of the disease than if people wear face coverings only after they begin experiencing symptoms.

    The debate should stop... the evidence is in... mandatory face masks in public now, unless you don't give a sh*t if the virus spreads.

    The anti-face mask rubbish from 'the powers that be', which has been present from the CMO since day one, should stop before even more damage is done.
    There is a tread on Masks, might carry more weight there with like minded people.


  • #4780
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Only thing I've heard floated is delaying date wet pubs can reopen and if that's the price to pay so be it. But like others have said it might have unintended consequence of forcing more people to congregate at house parties with no contact details taken or social distancing enforced.
    I think they might have to delay the next phase, but it's ultimately the wrong answer.

    If it's behaviour that is happening now, that behaviour needs to be targetted. House parties are clearly stupid at the current time - yet many people are not getting the message. People power could shut down pubs back in March, but there's very little it can do about neighbours/students/idiots taking the piss - indoor gatherings of more than 10 people should not be allowed, and the Guards need to be given the power to break them up if more are present. No-one is taking social distancing seriously at indoor gatherings in private houses.

    We have to get the schools open in September. If we use up all our spare Covid R0 capacity in opening pubs or allowing house parties this will never happen and we will be in trouble.


  • #4781
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,130 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    The message on travel abroad is the same now as it was under the previous Government.

    In relation to food and non food pubs, it was the previous Government who made the decision on the reopening of pubs.

    But we have a new Gov now and nothing of note from slippery MM at all.

    More concerned with appeasing the rural crowd with Ministerial Office, and protecting his appointee to Agriculture. That is the FF way.


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  • #4782
    Always_Running
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    First time in 4 weeks to have weekly cases over 100. 7 day average is now 18. Worth taking into account we had close to 50,000 test this week.


  • #4783
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,130 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    hmmm wrote: »
    I think they might have to delay the next phase, but it's ultimately the wrong answer.

    If it's behaviour that is happening now, that behaviour needs to be targetted. House parties are clearly stupid at the current time - yet many people are not getting the message. People power could shut down pubs back in March, but there's very little it can do about neighbours/students/idiots taking the piss - the Guards need to be given the power to break these up.

    We have to get the schools open in September. If we use up all our spare Covid R0 capacity in opening pubs or allowing house parties this will never happen and we will be in trouble.

    Absolutely agree with your point about the Gardai being given the powers to shut down unacceptable behaviours like house parties etc. I know I sound like a boring old Meldrew, but we really should not abdicate all the sacrifices we made just to see it go woosh like this.


  • #4784
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,458 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Santy2015 wrote: »
    Shane Beatty irritates me. Serious man for loving negative news!! And portraying it as such
    https://twitter.com/shanebeattynews/status/1281992152474681344?s=21

    A decent thread here in reply to that

    https://twitter.com/Care2much18/status/1282004486135980032?s=19


  • #4785
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    AUDI20 wrote: »
    There is a tread on Masks, might carry more weight there with like minded people.
    I think (or would hope anyway) that most people on any thread would agree that masks are a good idea.


  • #4786
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,681 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    sonofenoch wrote: »
    It's basic common sense ..........but no one will ever convince me that wearing a mask protects the wearer.......it protects the people they come in contact with and that's it

    It's like the analogy of me wearing a rubber will stop me from getting pregnant :D

    It's like the analogy of being behind a one-way mirror.... wait, no. It's not like that at all


  • #4787
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    Face masks highly effective against Covid-19, new evidence suggests

    Three new studies from Germany, Britain and the United States have indicated face masks are highly effective in stopping the spread of coronavirus from person to person.

    The results indicated that wearing a face covering was the most effective measure against the virus, followed by distancing, and avoiding common areas.

    The researchers found that if people wear face masks whether they have symptoms or not, it is twice as effective at curbing the spread of the disease than if people wear face coverings only after they begin experiencing symptoms.

    The debate should stop... the evidence is in... mandatory face masks in public now, unless you don't give a sh*t if the virus spreads.

    The anti-face mask rubbish from 'the powers that be', which has been present from the CMO since day one, should stop before even more damage is done.

    That's commonsense. But not in fashion sense.


  • #4788
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,376 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    auspicious wrote: »
    I've been told the Kerry cases are a result of people travelling to a houseparty there from Dublin, on public transport.

    FFS bellends, was it a house rented in Killarney?

    It's like to some there is no pandemic virus killing people, everyone should act responsible
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #4789
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,168 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    sonofenoch wrote: »
    It's basic common sense ..........but no one will ever convince me that wearing a mask protects the wearer.......it protects the people they come in contact with and that's it

    It's like the analogy of me wearing a rubber will stop me from getting pregnant :D

    When I am doing woodwork and using a sander, I make sure to wear googles and a face mask, as I don't want to breathe on the piece I am working on or be getting my tears on it either.

    If only they would come up with goggles that stopped dust getting in my eyes and a mask to stop it getting up my nose and in my lungs, as that would make it a lot more pleasant.


  • #4790
    Clonmel1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Clonmel1000


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    FFS bellends, was it a house rented in Killarney?

    It's like to some there is no pandemic virus killing people, everyone should act responsible

    Whilst getting on with life or hiding under the bed?


  • #4791
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,376 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Clonmel1000 wrote: »
    Whilst getting on with life or hiding under the bed?

    They can get on with life even socialise without getting completely ratarsed overpacking into a house
    https://forumofgames.com/




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  • #4792
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,411 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    They can get on with life even socialise without getting completely ratarsed overpacking into a house

    These parties have been going on since March.


  • #4793
    Curious_Case
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    cnocbui wrote: »
    When I am doing woodwork and using a sander, I make sure to wear googles and a face mask, as I don't want to breathe on the piece I am working on or be getting my tears on it either.

    If only they would come up with goggles that stopped dust getting in my eyes and a mask to stop it getting up my nose and in my lungs, as that would make it a lot more pleasant.

    I see what you did there !!!!

    If only bi-directional filters worked in both directions, then you wouldn't have to wear goggles on goggles and mask on mask to keep both your work clean and you safe.


  • #4794
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,260 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Very unfair lumping all of Dublin in with the gob****es who gather in crowds . The vast majority of Dublin people are being careful and are just as peed off with the eejits in pubs and parties


  • #4795
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,232 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    These parties have been going on since March.

    Maybe some have but presumably the frequency and numbers at them have increased. Can still reinforce discouraging negative behaviour even if it's still happening.


  • #4796
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,458 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    These parties have been going on since March.

    Yup they have, only difference with this one is someone who had tested postive still went to it


  • #4797
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,376 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Yup they have, only difference with this one is someone who had tested postive still went to it

    Covid Party like in the US? The person should be prosecuted
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #4798
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,232 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Yup they have, only difference with this one is someone who had tested postive still went to it

    Risk is always there that asymptomatic people go and once drink is involved social distancing probably goes out the window. Guess this is just a clear cut example which has got media attention.

    Should be a fine and/or paying for all the tests of their close contacts at minimum for something as reckless as that tbh. I can't even understand their thought processes to still go while infected besides a very selfish and entitled mindset.


  • #4799
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,260 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Yup they have, only difference with this one is someone who had tested postive still went to it

    Personally I think that person should be prosecuted for that . It should be a crime


  • #4800
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,232 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Personally I think that person should be prosecuted for that . It should be a crime

    Well when it's a crime to cough on someone whether you have it or not then agree it should be. Willfully endangering others.


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  • #4801
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Covid Party like in the US? The person should be prosecuted

    But under what law?

    Hopefully there will be some law to catch the person who turned up with a positive covid result hopefully set an example and discourage others from doing the same.

    The law that I can think of is neglect but that would be tort law and that would be civil law and not criminal law. It will be up to others who attended the party to go down the neglect and compo route.


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