Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

Eod100 · 11-07-2020 04:05PM

Looks like Irish Embassy in US putting word out. Not sure why they mention State Dept cos it's Ireland's guidelines too but maybe people in US more likely to be familiar with that advice.

https://twitter.com/IrelandEmbUSA/status/1281967668338274307

is_that_so · 11-07-2020 04:05PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

It was 16 Americans?

What does it matter if it was 6, 16 or 56 of them?

In my experience they're not a very bright nation overall and the guy on Pat Kenny yesterday only compounds this. Not having decent intelligence and Covid is not a good combination

Their choices this year to holiday are so, so limited and we're one of only 28 countries of the over 200 affected by Covid still letting them in. America has always had links with Ireland so of course many of them will come here

Our new "Government" (being very quiet aren't they?) aren't talking action because Michael doesn't want to lose his invite to a White House lunch in the future. It's fairly pathetic to be honest and yet here we are taking it

I also suspect they know that because Americans will be here in their droves that they boost our tourism this year. An industry that's on it's knees, but it's not worth propping up with people from a country who have ballsed this up like very few others have

There's 5 Million of us. We shouldn't be taking this lying down after months of the worst mental stress and sacrifice this country has seen in decades

One of things we have done here, even where people may have had issues with it, is a measured approach. So relax, July 20 is upon us and there will be a list. Whether we move to phase 4 still very much depends on how we are behaving, not small numbers of tourists.

Ficheall · 11-07-2020 04:05PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Sorry but the drinking issue is everywhere. Plenty of pictures online of other towns and cities but none making the front page of the papers. Its not just a Dublin issue.

2 of the above issues you've listed are fairly straight forward public order issues for the Gardai but they seem to not be doing much. Anyway Dame Lane is I'm told at the moment fairly quiet. Looks like the tactic of give everyone a scare by telling them we won't move to phase 4 is working.

The cluster of 9 in Dublin I've a funny feeling is the Kerry cluster.

Haven't been in town at night, but Galway was wedged today (outside, took a spin through in the car) and only a handful of masks to be seen. Hopefully people all have masks in their pockets for when they head indoors, but I wouldn't be optimistic about that..

ACitizenErased · 11-07-2020 04:06PM

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

I was in Galway yesterday doing a little shopping. I'd say around 10% of people were wearing masks, if even. A woman ahead of me in the check out line in Tommy Hilfiger was coughing and spluttering and then she goes, "I think I've come down with something" while pissing herself laughing. The young clerk humoured her but was visibly uncomfortable.

There were also loads of Americans around? They're predominantly old white guys but wtf. We can't vilify young people for enjoying themselves here in Ireland while we're simultaneously importing the virus from all over the world. The government can't have their cake and eat it. Personally, if there's a second wave and the restrictions are introduced again, I will be far less likely to comply. It sounds terrible but it's human nature. What an absolute slap in the face to everyone who complied with the regulations for the last 5 months and essentially eradicated the virus from the island...

NPHET essentially declared masks null and void when they said they were more of a danger than a positive at the beginning. There was no going back in the public’s mind after that was said

Beechwoodspark · 11-07-2020 04:08PM

Cousin has texted me that a Group of Americans just got off a bus with dublin plates in Kildare Village shopping outlet about 20 mins ago.

Mainly 50+. No masks.

Ah Lads this is absolutely ridiculous carry on.

The infection rate WILL rise if we keep allowing Americans in to wander around the country

Ficheall · 11-07-2020 04:09PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

NPHET essentially declared masks null and void when they said they were more of a danger than a positive at the beginning. There was no going back in the public’s mind after that was said

It certainly won't have helped, but I don't think that ****e advice is entirely to blame. A lot of people just don't give a toss.

ACitizenErased · 11-07-2020 04:10PM

Ficheall wrote: »

It certainly won't have helped, but I don't think that ****e advice is entirely to blame. A lot of people just don't give a toss.

Older relatives of mine who refuse to wear masks say they’re more dangerous than not wearing one. There’s only one reason for that mindset.

Eod100 · 11-07-2020 04:10PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

NPHET essentially declared masks null and void when they said they were more of a danger than a positive at the beginning. There was no going back in the public’s mind after that was said

I think the mandatory on public transport has improved it from what I've seen since the 29th, far more people wear one now. Close to 70% to 80% roughly on transport I've been on.

It will force people to have a face covering so hopefully they consider them for other settings.

Eod100 · 11-07-2020 04:12PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Older relatives of mine who refuse to wear masks say they’re more dangerous than not wearing one. There’s only one reason for that mindset.

The most annoying part of the messaging was that it was obvious that it was going to change eventually. Granted there were supply issues but the implications that people could do themselves more harm than not by wearing one was very problematic

Away With The Fairies · 11-07-2020 04:13PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

NPHET essentially declared masks null and void when they said they were more of a danger than a positive at the beginning. There was no going back in the public’s mind after that was said

Ah but what about their new found evidence back in May?

LawBoy2018 · 11-07-2020 04:14PM

Micheál Martin is now further patronising young people, proclaiming to the media that "no-one is invincible". If that's the case then stop allowing tourists from the US into Ireland, you space cadet! I despair...

Away With The Fairies · 11-07-2020 04:15PM

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

Micheál Martin is now further patronising young people, proclaiming to the media that "no-one is invincible". If that's the case then stop allowing tourists from the US into Ireland, you space cadet! I despair...

It's really not working with him as taoiseach.

ACitizenErased · 11-07-2020 04:16PM

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

Micheál Martin is now further patronising young people, proclaiming to the media that "no-one is invincible". If that's the case then stop allowing tourists from the US into Ireland, you space cadet! I despair...

I hate FG but I’d give a leg for Varadkar to come back. Martin is unbearable.

ShineOn7 · 11-07-2020 04:19PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I hate FG but I’d give a leg for Varadkar to come back. Martin is unbearable.

I openly ridiculed his Meme soundbite speeches on here, but he was at least 3 times the Covid leader that Martin is

auspicious · 11-07-2020 04:20PM

I've been told the Kerry cases are a result of people travelling to a houseparty there from Dublin, on public transport.

ACitizenErased · 11-07-2020 04:20PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

I openly ridiculed his Meme soundbite speeches on here, but he was at least 3 times the Covid leader that Martin is

We (Cork people) didn’t even want him to be the next Cork taoiseach. He’s a langer.

owlbethere · 11-07-2020 04:20PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

It was 16 Americans?

What does it matter if it was 6, 16 or 56 of them?

In my experience they're not a very bright nation overall and the guy on Pat Kenny yesterday only compounds this. Not having decent intelligence and Covid is not a good combination

Their choices this year to holiday are so, so limited and we're one of only 28 countries of the over 200 affected by Covid still letting them in. America has always had links with Ireland so of course many of them will come here

Our new "Government" (being very quiet aren't they?) aren't talking action because Michael doesn't want to lose his invite to a White House lunch in the future. It's fairly pathetic to be honest and yet here we are taking it

I also suspect they know that because Americans will be here in their droves that they boost our tourism this year. An industry that's on it's knees, but it's not worth propping up with people from a country who have ballsed this up like very few others have

There's 5 Million of us. We shouldn't be taking this lying down after months of the worst mental stress and sacrifice this country has seen in decades

I completely agree with you. MM was all talk in opposition but he's clearly not fit to take over now. We worked so hard for months to suppress this virus and its absolutely shocking what our government is doing allowing people from badly affected areas in to holiday here putting people and the health and safety of our population at risk. They are recommending non essential travel and we have recommendations for 'staycations' from the media and other places - recommending for us to holiday alongside these American tourists risking more infections along with the people who work and staff tourist attractions and activities.

We have fcuked up our chances of a successful airbridgeswith other European countries who have the virus under control too. Why would other people who might care about their health and the health of their family come here if they think they are going to be holidaying around Americans who are badly hit.

I get it that tourism has been hit hard here in Ireland but why should we put the health and safety of our people at risk for one summer?

stephenjmcd · 11-07-2020 04:22PM

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

Micheál Martin is now further patronising young people, proclaiming to the media that "no-one is invincible". If that's the case then stop allowing tourists from the US into Ireland, you space cadet! I despair...

He did enough shouting and roaring from the opposition benches as to what we should be doing and when he gets into office does absolutely sweet fcuk all.

At least Leo to his credit seemed to gauge the public mood and act on it. Stark difference in the ability to lead

hmmm · 11-07-2020 04:22PM

Lower cognitive ability leads to lower compliance with social distancing
https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/07/09/2008868117

Explains a lot I suppose.

"We found that participants’ social-distancing compliance at this initial stage could be predicted by individual differences in WM (working memory) capacity, partly due to increased awareness of benefits over costs of social distancing among higher WM capacity individuals. "

YellowBucket · 11-07-2020 04:24PM

Given that we inexplicably refuse to do a thing about the commercial use of Shannon Airport by the US military, despite being a country that regularly, passionately speaks of our neutrality, nothing surprises me.

We can’t say boo to the US & nor can the UK.

iamwhoiam · 11-07-2020 04:24PM

The absolute irony of MM telling people not to holiday abroad while allowing Americans holiday here . Jesus you couldn’t make it up

ACitizenErased · 11-07-2020 04:26PM

He’s trying to keep things sweet with the US. He won’t do **** all and I guarantee it.

Eod100 · 11-07-2020 04:27PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

The fact so many of the same people are involved makes it all the more baffling. The last government weren't perfect but seemed a lot better than what we have at the moment.

The cynic in me wonders if FF are too caught up in internal conflict/the drink driving thing.

I think there definitely could be a part of that. The other thing is how are decisions being made.

Is it through the mixed cabinet with FF Taosieach and FG Tanaiste?

At least Varadkar who I'm no fan of had clear mandate and seemed to be assertive. Get sense that Martin is especially affected by public perception so seems decision on 20th July could be motivated by reaction if pubs are delayed opening or if they're opened and there's a spike.

jobeenfitz · 11-07-2020 04:28PM

Eod100 wrote: »

That's only 1 flight though. I just think the risk is there if it's from area with very high concentration of virus to low. It might be blown out of proportion but with current guidelines there's literally nothing stopping people travelling for non-essential reasons and not self-isolating. No piece of paper of phone calls (even if everyone is called) will change that so can understand people's concerns.

I know government said they couldn't do mandatory quarantine because they wouldn't have enough hotel rooms but if it's for high risk areas, it might discourage people meaning less would travel.

Im back from Spain 9 days and got no call.

is_that_so · 11-07-2020 04:28PM

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

Micheál Martin is now further patronising young people, proclaiming to the media that "no-one is invincible". If that's the case then stop allowing tourists from the US into Ireland, you space cadet! I despair...

That's actually a Holohan line, before he stepped away.

Eod100 · 11-07-2020 04:31PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

The absolute irony of MM telling people not to holiday abroad while allowing Americans holiday here . Jesus you couldn’t make it up

Yeah seems like a massive contradiction. People might say feck it, I'll go to a country with lower or similar risk instead so sure. Seems completely unsustainable tbh

YellowBucket · 11-07-2020 04:31PM

is_that_so wrote: »

That's actually a Holohan line, before he stepped away.

To be fair they’re parallel issues & both have potential consequences, but we are ignoring the elephant in the room because it has a tendency to kick back hard.

Had we just followed the Schengen line on it we would have had the cover of all of those countries moving in unison.

Now if we ban US inbound tourism it will be all over Fox, CNN etc specifically referring to Ireland.

Santy2015 · 11-07-2020 04:31PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

He’s trying to keep things sweet with the US. He won’t do **** all and I guarantee it.

And yet there’s the real possibility that phase 4 will be delayed!!! I’ve never been so pissed off

is_that_so · 11-07-2020 04:32PM

Eod100 wrote: »

I think there definitely could be a part of that. The other thing is how are decisions being made.

Is it through the mixed cabinet with FF Taosieach and FG Tanaiste?

At least Varadkar who I'm no fan of had clear mandate and seemed to be assertive. Get sense that Martin is especially affected by public perception so seems decision on 20th July could be motivated by reaction if pubs are delayed opening or if they're opened and there's a spike.

It's the bedding in period of a new government. It was easier in a way for the last one as it came right at the end of their watch with experienced people in place. That said, you can see a different mood to it already and not necessarily a good one.

ACitizenErased · 11-07-2020 04:32PM

NPHET can’t come out and say stop all travel in the public because it’s not their decision. I’ve a feeling they’ve recommended it to cabinet and cabinet have basically said no. It makes no sense for Glynn to be so concerned about travel without advising the government to stop it.

Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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