Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

hotmail.com · 11-07-2020 05:32PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Not sure what you want here. Eating and drinking with a mask on is not practical and anyone choosing to go there understand the potential risk as do the venues themselves. Do you want them all closed down again?

No.

But this is what people are saying. They are allowed to drink without masks on, use the toilet etc and then are told to wear masks in shops.

So the apathy towards the restrictions is very high and you can see why.

ACitizenErased · 11-07-2020 05:33PM

Dublin is +12 for yesterday

is_that_so · 11-07-2020 05:33PM

Zonda999 wrote: »

I'm not sure there is that much in the media about the americans, bits and pieces admittedly. I think there was/is relatively far more on dissuading Irish people going to places in Europe where the virus is far more under control than the US

Well, if you remember the Bulgarians back in March ....

Plumbthedepths · 11-07-2020 05:34PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

So you can't catch Covid when you're eating and drinking?

I'm sure you can but a mask designed to contain particles from your breath would make eating and drinking incredibly messy. Once the staff are protected I'm happy to take the risk to have a pint and a steak.

Mortelaro · 11-07-2020 05:34PM

hmmm wrote: »

We have a house party in Kerry with tens of people potentially now having Covid, yet the media and society are all jumping on a small number of US arrivals as being the thing which will tip us over the edge. We need to get a sense of perspective, and instead of looking for outsiders to blame start taking some responsibility ourselves. There will be people going to house parties tonight which will represent a much bigger risk to us than a small number of tourists walking around a beauty spot.

Quoting this for truth

Eod100 · 11-07-2020 05:34PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Dublin is +12 for yesterday

Where can you find figures for increase day to day for counties out of curiosity?

stephenjmcd · 11-07-2020 05:34PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Dublin is +12 for yesterday

That Kerry cluster without a doubt has to have Dublin origin.

Sounds like a family get together by the way its being described

is_that_so · 11-07-2020 05:35PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

No.

But this is what people are saying. They are allowed to drink without masks on, use the toilet etc and then are told to wear masks in shops.

So the apathy towards the restrictions is very high and you can see why.

The message for indoors is where you can't social distance you should wear one. In the huge shells of some supermarkets you can and more.

owlbethere · 11-07-2020 05:37PM

hmmm wrote: »

We have a house party in Kerry with tens of people potentially now having Covid, yet the media and society are all jumping on a small number of US arrivals as being the thing which will tip us over the edge. We need to get a sense of perspective, and instead of looking for outsiders to blame start taking some responsibility ourselves.

That houseparty scenario has to be highlighted and focused on for sure. Is there any way to drum it into people the danger of crowds and indoor gatherings? All it takes is one person amongst many people to infect the lot of them.

Also to date the government and the population has been relying on the good will of others to do the right thing but some people has shown they can't do what's right. That person who turned up at the kerry party despite having a positive test result should be charged with something. I don't know what area of lw it will come in under. There's nothing stopping people from behaving the same in a similar way. Some peoples greed and selfishness will win hands down over doing what's right. We've been told to stay at home if we don't feel well and if we feel we have a cold, to stay at home. Thats not difficult to follow.

ACitizenErased · 11-07-2020 05:37PM

Analysis of cases as of midnight Thursday 9th July - 25588 cases (+24)

Healthcare Workers +5
Clusters +24
Cases associated with clusters +37

Age Range Affected
0-4 No Change
5-14 +4
15-24 +11
25-34 +1
35-44 +5
45-54 +2
55-64 No Change
65-74 +1
75-84 No Change
85+ No Change

Cases by County
Carlow +1
Dublin +13
Galway +4
Kerry +1
Kildare +3
Sligo +1
Wicklow +2

Mortelaro · 11-07-2020 05:37PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

So you can't catch Covid when you're eating and drinking?

Of course you can
Pubs with restaurants pulled a fast one
But I can understand the usefulness of seeing the effect of a proportion of pubs being open has, in deciding for the rest

Newtown90 · 11-07-2020 05:38PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

That Kerry cluster without a doubt has to have Dublin origin.

Sounds like a family get together by the way its being described

Yes they were Dubs...

www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/health-news/cluster-covid-19-cases-after-22339770.amp

Very busy around killarney this weekend again. Hard to exactly clamp down on people visiting I guess but the lack of social distancing is annoying.

Goldengirl · 11-07-2020 05:38PM

YellowBucket wrote: »

Inbound travel is fine, as long as it's safe. You can't really turn facts into politics. The simple reality is that there's a significant issue in the US, Brazil and a few other places at the moment. The US situation is being made worse by the way it's being handled, or rather not handled, there at present at a federal level and by quite a number of states too.

If we were looking at this in terms of domestic policy, had we similar outbreaks we'd be isolating ourselves to avoid spread.

If there are small numbers of people coming in (be they Irish or American or any other nationality) on US flights, we should be including an isolate (for a couple of days) pending a test result system. Or, requiring pre-departure tests done in commercial labs.

The ideal scenario would be pre-departure screening.

It would add maybe €100 - €200 to the price of a flight, but that's fairly insignificant given the risks and those costs could probably be reduced if you get improvements in commercial testing services.

The situation in most European and the Asian countries we tend to have most contact with is far more pragmatic and sane about COVID-19 and most of them have it at least as under control as we have. So, the risks are likely not much different to moving between Kerry and Dublin.

The US, or certainly certain parts of it, are unfortunately a mess right now and a bit of sensible precaution would be advisable.
The same applies to Brazil and to a range of other countries that may have difficulties controlling spread.

The US is really bizarre as the spread is happening due to political notions and reality denial, not lack of resources. It should be well able to contain this but hasn't got the leadership or societal cohesion to do it anymore.

In my view, unless and until the US gets this under control, we have to take sensible precautions and the most logical one would probably be testing.

Ideally it should be a couple of swabs at a US testing clinic before departure, stay at home until you're going to the airport and your proof of having no COVID-19 would be logged and you'd be clear to go.

I'm pretty sure most people coming into Ireland on vacation or people returning to visit families and so on aren't likely to want to inadvertently carry in COVID-19 either. It's not like it's some kind of terrible burden to ask them to get tested. In general we don't have the kind of mass-market, low budget sun-seeking tourism that say Spain or Florida have, so it's unlikely to be an extremely difficult thing to achieve.

For business travellers it probably makes a hell of a lot of sense to be getting tested anyway to avoid picking it up or spreading it around. It would open up business travel a lot more widely if we could get to a stage where testing was convenient and frequent.

It looks to me like we are going to be dealing with the reality of this situation for at least another 12 months and possibly longer, so we need (globally) to start coming up with strategies to contain it properly. Being offended by the notion someone might be tested or quarantined isn't really going to achieve anything. The reality of it is we need to manage this properly and with least impact on day-to-day life.

Excellent post .
Proof of no Covid detected within 72 hours , or mandatory testing on arrival and quarantine while waiting for test result for all presenting from high risk areas like US and Brazil .
Many would opt for the former , I would think .

11-07-2020 05:40PM

Newtown90 wrote: »

Yes they were Dubs...

www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/health-news/cluster-covid-19-cases-after-22339770.amp

Very busy around killarney this weekend again. Hard to exactly clamp down on people visiting I guess but the lack of social distancing is annoying.

I mean on the one hand you have the government encouraging 'staycations', and I highly doubt the people of Killarney would want to clamp down on visits, the place lives off tourism. Obviously a party of 30 is a bit excessive..

13 of us heading to Killarney for a few nights next week, life goes on.

KrustyUCC · 11-07-2020 05:41PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Analysis of cases as of midnight Thursday 9th July - 25588 cases (+24)

Healthcare Workers +5
Clusters +24
Cases associated with clusters +37

Age Range Affected
0-4 No Change
5-14 +4
15-24 +11
25-34 +1
35-44 +5
45-54 +2
55-64 No Change
65-74 +1
75-84 No Change
85+ No Change

Cases by County
Carlow +1
Dublin +13
Galway +4
Kerry +1
Kildare +3
Sligo +1
Wicklow +2

Interesting that health care workers are almost 20% of the cases

Zonda999 · 11-07-2020 05:42PM

I thought Cork would have been up more given the GAA clubs..

Goldengirl · 11-07-2020 05:42PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Sorry but the drinking issue is everywhere. Plenty of pictures online of other towns and cities but none making the front page of the papers. Its not just a Dublin issue.

2 of the above issues you've listed are fairly straight forward public order issues for the Gardai but they seem to not be doing much. Anyway Dame Lane is I'm told at the moment fairly quiet. Looks like the tactic of give everyone a scare by telling them we won't move to phase 4 is working.

The cluster of 9 in Dublin I've a funny feeling is the Kerry cluster.

Reported as mainly Kerry Cork HSE area ,but yes maybe a couple of clusters from that alright .

Itssoeasy · 11-07-2020 05:42PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

2 deaths 23 new cases

So it's staying steady at mid twenties which I suppose is good. Two deaths is obviously two too many.

Zonda999 · 11-07-2020 05:43PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Where can you find figures for increase day to day for counties out of curiosity?

I'm not sure thats published but if you look at the press releases for consecutive days, you can work it out for yourself

Gael23 · 11-07-2020 05:43PM

I see no great cause for panic in those numbers. Once it holds around that level that’s not all bad.
We need to accept an increase as things open up, nothing we can do about that.

is_that_so · 11-07-2020 05:44PM

AdamD wrote: »

I mean on the one hand you have the government encouraging 'staycations', and I highly doubt the people of Killarney would want to clamp down on visits, the place lives off tourism. Obviously a party of 30 is a bit excessive..

13 of us heading to Killarney for a few nights next week, life goes on.

As stated earlier they know this and can use contract tracing to round up the rest of them. This is not March and the system can now easily cope with a cluster that would have filled us with horror back then.

stephenjmcd · 11-07-2020 05:44PM

AdamD wrote: »

I mean on the one hand you have the government encouraging 'staycations', and I highly doubt the people of Killarney would want to clamp down on visits, the place lives off tourism. Obviously a party of 30 is a bit excessive..

13 of us heading to Killarney for a few nights next week, life goes on.

It explains why yesterday they were putting huge emphasis on house parties as these tests were clearly now coming through the system and being reported.

ACitizenErased · 11-07-2020 05:45PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

It explains why yesterday they were putting huge emphasis on house parties as these tests were clearly now coming through the system and being reported.

I think you’re right about the Dublin figures being the Kerry cluster

stephenjmcd · 11-07-2020 05:46PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Interesting that health care workers are almost 20% of the cases

I'm glad they began targeted testing again, healthcare workers cases seem to continually remain high.

owlbethere · 11-07-2020 05:47PM

What are our numbers like now in relation to our heads per population? I'm not great at figuring out sums.

What is it like in comparison to other European countries per head of population like Italy, Germany, France?

Eod100 · 11-07-2020 05:47PM

AdamD wrote: »

I mean on the one hand you have the government encouraging 'staycations', and I highly doubt the people of Killarney would want to clamp down on visits, the place lives off tourism. Obviously a party of 30 is a bit excessive..

13 of us heading to Killarney for a few nights next week, life goes on.

If the media reports are accurate, it seemed person there had already tested positive so seems like a very easy thing to avoid.

Obviously people can be asymptomatic but if people socialise outdoors as much as possible, maintain social distancing and hand hygiene etc it mitigates the risk.

Goldengirl · 11-07-2020 05:48PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I don’t agree with everywhere. I have seen zero incidents in Cork City or even from friends in Killarney in the past two weeks.

Citizen , there is the case that is ongoing about the partying in Highfield Road , back of UCC , at the moment .So not zero, but adjust for population and it would be similar enough.

stephenjmcd · 11-07-2020 05:48PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I think you’re right about the Dublin figures being the Kerry cluster

would explain alot seeing as in the last few days they seem to be bringing up house parties more and more even though they've been going on for a good while.

These tests were clearly working through the system and tracing has identified the cluster. Which is a good thing that it seems to have been caught quite quickly

11-07-2020 05:49PM

Eod100 wrote: »

If the media reports are accurate, it seemed person there had already tested positive so sees like a very easy thing to avoid.

Obviously people can be asymptomatic but if people socialise outdoors as much as possible, maintain social distancing and hand hygiene etc it mitigates the risk.

Yeah that's a bit mental alright, the article worded it a bit weirdly so wasn't clear.

Eod100 · 11-07-2020 05:49PM

Zonda999 wrote: »

I'm not sure thats published but if you look at the press releases for consecutive days, you can work it out for yourself

Thanks. Yeah maybe it's when the numbers are small they don't to prevent people being identified but when people can calculate it manually doesn't seem very top secret.

Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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