Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

stephenjmcd wrote: »

An upward trend as Dr Glynn has stated many times wouldn't have been unexpected. Likewise prof Nolan said they knew cases would rise, but the main thing was to pinpoint where they were coming from and to keep a the cases at manageable levels and to be fair they seem to be fairly well on top of that.

We're doing 6,000 more tests a day than 2 weeks ago with a positivity rate of 0.3%

100%

Things are still going well overall

You wouldn't think so over the last few days

KrustyUCC wrote: »

100%

Things are still going well overall

You wouldn't think so over the last few days

Nope, I'm not sure why people thought the likes of 10 cases a day would continue when you were bringing more people back to work, opening shops and shopping centres.

But none of the big recent clusters seem to be linked to any of them, Dr Glynn mentioned it on Thursday that none were linked to bars or restaurants. It was a vast majority of parties and travel

drunkmonkey wrote: »

We closed the schools at 43...we closed the country shortly after. Mandatory quarantine in specific locations is starting to look like the only show in town.
On the border question we can't stop them crossing the border but we sure as hell can stop them crossing border county southern borders, south Donegal border etc.

I think there's a lot of differences between now and then too though. Have a proper contact tracing system and testing system set up which all had to effectively be built from scratch. People are very familiar with symptoms, social distancing, hand hygiene etc.

Schools are closed now, lot of people are working from home these days so less people on public transport or in offices, workplaces etc.

Even in settings where people are metting like pubs and restaurants generally the compliance seems good.

I don't tink regional lockdowns would be sustainable for a country the size of Ireland.

wadacrack wrote: »

41 cases in one day would be a huge red flag with bars only open 1 week or so. Schools recommencing in about 6 or so might be difficult if this grows much more. This virus grows exponentially once numbers and the Ro go up. Theirs a reason Hong Kong went into some sort of lockdown after 50 cases or so with a 7 million population. Test and tracing becomes very difficult after 20 cases or so . South Korea tested 46,000 because of one positive case a few weeks ago. It lead to 160 positive cases. Its not quite as simple as you make it and can quickly spiral out of control. Theirs a strange positivity bias on this at the moment. Some patterns are pretty concerning and its only July.

You relaise yes that they haven't traced any clusters back to bars or restaurants. We've been fairly well informed where these clusters are and how they're originating.

Forget about R0 for a minute, that's going to be stupidly high if you drop a cluster of cases into the mix when working off a low data set.

This isn't a postivity bias, its actual fact that we're at the moment very much on top of clusters, I saw a quote earlier I think it was from De Gauscun and it said along the lines of we haven't got uncontrolled spread, we know where these cases are and where they originate from. That's a success in my eyes.

Compared to 2 and 3 months ago when we had no idea where they were coming from.

"Its only July", why do you think its going somewhere?? We're going to have to learn to live with this and suggesting a mass lockdown again isn't realistic what so ever. People have to take personal responsibility for their actions but others need to learn that this isn't going anywhere and with more movement brings more cases.

JJayoo wrote: »

It will be interesting to see the general Irish reaction to the clusterfcuk that will be America in the coming weeks.

People are already angry. It's undermining government messaging on other matters as well.

We don't care who their president is, we just want the flights banned, at least temporarily.

Media here just want to personalise it all about Trump. We don't care. We just want the flights stopped.

Eod100 wrote: »

Yeah but I guess the main concern about coronavirus is it's so new that long-terms effects won't be known for years.

That was my original point. It's new and everything is guess work. But some of these articles are reading like people will definitely have long term effects from covid.

When I was being treated for malaria, I was told how damaged my organs were. But there was no concern about long term effects because they have had a very long time to know about long term effects. Malaria at one stage could have been like covid in the respect that it was new and damage was observed in organs. But malaria is very treatable and damage can be reversed naturally with time. That could be the case with covid too. More balance is needed. And less scare mongering.

We have a house party in Kerry with tens of people potentially now having Covid, yet the media and society are all jumping on a small number of US arrivals as being the thing which will tip us over the edge. We need to get a sense of perspective, and instead of looking for outsiders to blame start taking some responsibility ourselves. There will be people going to house parties tonight which will represent a much bigger risk to us than a small number of tourists walking around a beauty spot.

hotmail.com wrote: »

People are already angry. It's undermining government messaging on other matters as well.

We don't care who their president is, we just want the flights banned, at least temporarily.

Media here just want to personalise it all about Trump. We don't care. We just want the flights stopped.

Some people have been angry since day one with a different group to blame every week. Proportionate and measured is what we need to do.

hotmail.com wrote: »

So you can't catch Covid when you're eating and drinking?

Appearently it knows the difference between a €9 meal or not

2 more deaths RIP

23 new cases

hotmail.com wrote: »

Then this is mixed message I'm afraid.

And supermarkets have shown to be quite safe and masks are advised there?

Do the government not realise we see all these flaws and hypocrisies.

Not sure what you want here. Eating and drinking with a mask on is not practical and anyone choosing to go there understands the potential risk as do the venues themselves. Do you want them all closed down again?

Was expecting more tbh

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

The fact so many of the same people are involved makes it all the more baffling. The last government weren't perfect but seemed a lot better than what we have at the moment.

The cynic in me wonders if FF are too caught up in internal conflict/the drink driving thing.

Still there yeah, but are they really calling the shots with the covid stuff anymore though? Simon C and Paschal are still doing what they were doing, but… I don’t know, two of the key people who were leading the government’s efforts are definitely not doing the same job anymore, even though they’re still in government. I was reading some piece before the last government broke up that made it clear that over the few months they were facing Covid, many of the decisions weren’t really being made by the whole cabinet. It was Leo, Simon H, and a couple of other people who were doing much of the “handling”. The rest of them were of course involved, and given a say, but not to the same degree. I can’t remember the details but I remember the feeling being from a bit of it that some of them weren’t happy at not feeling more involved. If that’s still the way of it, and you consider we’ve swapped out Leo and Simon for MM and Stephen Donnelly, who are only in place two (very messy) weeks and the people who WERE handling it now are not and the new government is still getting settled in between people who weren't in government at all and people who were but now suddenly have completely different jobs… maybe it’s not so surprising. I was reading a piece in the Irish Times the other day about how crazy messy it’s been behind the scenes (it sounds like things have been all OVER the place, it took three days for one person to get an email address) and it made me grateful all over again that we didn’t switch governments, or didn’t have a brand new one just come to power, before now. I don’t think FG got everything right at all, but at least they were well established and knew what they were doing, and weren't still trying to figure out email addresses and hire staff when covid hit!

The new government do need to step it up though. I have sympathy for the people new to this, and to everyone (bar the few FG people in the same jobs) having so much going on behind the scenes trying to get to get to grips with their new roles, but there's no time to waste here. They urgently need to get it together. And they need to figure out the travel thing. FG had the luxury of not having to make that call because really, pretty much nobody was travelling here that didn't have to- that's clearly not the case anymore, and it's not fair for Martin to act like it's not happening. It won't be the only thing that causes a second wave if it happens by any means but it doesn't help matters either, and it certainly doesn't help the general morale here to know there could be plane loads of people (I know there isn't, I know right now the numbers are relatively small, but there could be any number of them) coming from some of the worst-impacted places on earth and that's all fine, nothing in place either stop them coming or to ensure they quarantine once here. People are really unhappy about it. Leo and Simon H, for all their faults, understood how important it was that everyone bought into what we were doing and that there was a clear message, and they hammered it home until they were blue in the face. MM and Stephen D need to step it up now that they're the new "faces of the effort".

hmmm wrote: »

We have a house party in Kerry with tens of people potentially now having Covid, yet the media and society are all jumping on a small number of US arrivals as being the thing which will tip us over the edge. .

I'm not sure there is that much in the media about the americans, bits and pieces admittedly. I think there was/is relatively far more on dissuading Irish people going to places in Europe where the virus is far more under control than the US. That just so happens to suit the government narrative.