Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

Eod100 · 11-07-2020 04:34PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

He’s trying to keep things sweet with the US. He won’t do **** all and I guarantee it.

Trump is likely gone in November, they will still use Shannon and US stops non US citizens or residents. Time for someone to take some leadership here.

Ae Fond Kiss · 11-07-2020 04:34PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Think it would be tomorrow. Think some are marching at home on virtually, no joke. Probably that bonfires are discouraged but guess there will inevitably be a few

11th night, the night of 11/12 July is a biggie for bonfires etc. i.e tonight

jobeenfitz · 11-07-2020 04:37PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

The absolute irony of MM telling people not to holiday abroad while allowing Americans holiday here . Jesus you couldn’t make it up

FF are rotten, Charlie, Bertie and many more. Cute hoorism at its best. MM, Willie from limerick and a few more all very much part of that past.

FG not much better, selling first mobile licence to Denis.

SF just can't be trusted to run this country.

Labour a joke.

Doesn't matter who we vote for unless u want your TD to write to council, hse or indeed you want a bit of tar in your local pothole.

It just shows how bad yanks and brits governments are when our shower are possibly better of the three.

Sad world, how did we humans last this long?

owlbethere · 11-07-2020 04:38PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

NPHET essentially declared masks null and void when they said they were more of a danger than a positive at the beginning. There was no going back in the public’s mind after that was said

NPHET was the Irish response to the virus crisis. American tourists weren't here to her our team tell us masks we're useless.

Eod100 · 11-07-2020 04:39PM

is_that_so wrote: »

It's the bedding in period of a new government. It was easier in a way for the last one as it came right at the end of their watch with experienced people in place. That said, you can see a different mood to it already and not necessarily a good one.

Yeah and think Martin probably only used to being a minister when FF were in gov with smaller parties say and could call shots easier.

is_that_so · 11-07-2020 04:39PM

YellowBucket wrote: »

To be fair they’re parallel issues & both have potential consequences, but we are ignoring the elephant in the room because it has a tendency to kick back hard.

Had we just followed the Schengen line on it we would have had the cover of all of those countries moving in unison.

Now if we ban US inbound tourism it will be all over Fox, CNN etc specifically referring to Ireland.

We aren't in Schengen so that's moot. All the way through our approach was to push essential travel only. With airline traffic so low it didn't need to be anything else. It doesn't become an elephant unless it turns out to be an actual problem. Most countries have seen very limited rises from renewed travel. We also need to start trusting our testing systems. No matter how this latest blame game concludes we will still have emerging cases to test, isolate and contact trace.

Plumbthedepths · 11-07-2020 04:42PM

I don't get this praise for Leo and the abuse towards MM? ( Personally both are useless)
Leo abdicated all decision making to Nphet , why didn't he call a halt to inward US travel he was still Taoiseach up to a few weeks ago. He was aware of the sh*tstorm in the states.
Martin is a g*b****e his only goal was to become Taoiseach, now that he is he hasn't a clue how to do the job.

YellowBucket · 11-07-2020 04:43PM

owlbethere wrote: »

I completely agree with you. MM was all talk in opposition but he's clearly not fit to take over now. We worked so hard for months to suppress this virus and its absolutely shocking what our government is doing allowing people from badly affected areas in to holiday here putting people and the health and safety of our population at risk. They are recommending non essential travel and we have recommendations for 'staycations' from the media and other places - recommending for us to holiday alongside these American tourists risking more infections along with the people who work and staff tourist attractions and activities.

We have fcuked up our chances of a successful airbridgeswith other European countries who have the virus under control too. Why would other people who might care about their health and the health of their family come here if they think they are going to be holidaying around Americans who are badly hit.

I get it that tourism has been hit hard here in Ireland but why should we put the health and safety of our people at risk for one summer?

It may also reduce both domestic and EU tourism.

Forgetting for a moment about European tourists, we’ve a very wealthy domestic market that can’t go abroad easily and would take up the slack at home in a big way.

We spend significantly more money as tourists abroad than we earn from inbound tourism to Ireland. So the spending power is absolutely present.

However, if you’re going to be in some hotel with people who’ve possibly just flown in from high risk location sin the USA, definitely without testing and likely flouting self isolation requirements, it suddenly stops being an attractive prospect and you will probably just sit out the summer spending far less and avoiding tourist areas.

You’ll certainly see that if there’s an outbreak in a hotel or something like that over the next few weeks.

It’s an idiotic policy from all points of view and just seems to show a certain leprechaunish side of Ireland that can’t help being somewhat sycophantic towards the US.

It’s not party political, it’s deeply embedded culturally due to the mass emigration to the USA in the 19th and 20th century.

is_that_so · 11-07-2020 04:44PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

NPHET can’t come out and say stop all travel in the public because it’s not their decision. I’ve a feeling they’ve recommended it to cabinet and cabinet have basically said no. It makes no sense for Glynn to be so concerned about travel without advising the government to stop it.

It will remain a No, especially as the EU is keen for countries to resume flight connections. Expressing concern about public health is what they do and have been doing. At one point the CMO did comment that governments get advice from all sorts of sources , but are the final decision makers.

ACitizenErased · 11-07-2020 04:46PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I don't get this praise for Leo and the abuse towards MM? ( Personally both are useless)
Leo abdicated all decision making to Nphet , why didn't he call a halt to inward US travel he was still Taoiseach up to a few weeks ago. He was aware of the sh*tstorm in the states.
Martin is a g*b****e his only goal was to become Taoiseach, now that he is he hasn't a clue how to do the job.

There is no comparison between the leadership qualities of Varadkar versus Martin. And I voted for neither of their parties.

ShineOn7 · 11-07-2020 04:47PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Trump is likely gone in November.

The last odds I saw (awhile ago admittedly) he was 11/10 Favourite to win with the Bookies

He has a staggering amount of supporters and what alternative have Americans got? There's video evidence of Joe Biden openly touching kids on stage that regularly makes it to the front page of Reddit

This is America's choice in November:

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It's Trump Vs Hilary all over again

Plumbthedepths · 11-07-2020 04:49PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

There is no comparison between the leadership qualities of Varadkar versus Martin. And I voted for neither of their parties.

I'm not comparing them at all. I don't believe either are capable of leadership. Leo was driven by whatever he thought was the public mood. Uninspiring no matter what department he was in charge of.
Martin is a fool and always has been, but a fool with ambition.

iamwhoiam · 11-07-2020 04:50PM

YellowBucket wrote: »

It may also reduce both domestic and EU tourism.

Forgetting for a moment about European tourists, we’ve a very wealthy domestic market that can’t go abroad easily and would take up the slack at home in a big way.

We spend significantly more money as tourists abroad than we earn from inbound tourism to Ireland. So the spending power is absolutely present.

However, if you’re going to be in some hotel with people who’ve possibly just flown in from high risk location sin the USA, definitely without testing and likely flouting self isolation requirements, it suddenly stops being an attractive prospect and you will probably just sit out the summer spending far less and avoiding tourist areas.

You’ll certainly see that if there’s an outbreak in a hotel or something like that over the next few weeks.

It’s an idiotic policy from all points of view and just seems to show a certain leprechaunish side of Ireland that can’t help being somewhat sycophantic towards the US.

It’s not party political, it’s deeply embedded culturally due to the mass emigration to the USA in the 19th and 20th century.

We had intended taking a few short break in Irish hotels this year . We have changed our minds now as we don’t fancy sharing lifts or pools with Americans who are allowed waltz in here and mingle with all and sundry . It will be day trips with a picnic now

Eod100 · 11-07-2020 04:54PM

is_that_so wrote: »

It will remain a No, especially as the EU is keen for countries to resume flight connections. Expressing concern about public health is what they do and have been doing. At one point the CMO did comment that governments get advice from all sorts of sources , but are the final decision makers.

Thought being outside Schengen would have more flexibility. Schengen countries have common list already. Ireland were invited to take part but think with NI and CTA, UK had say and voted against so means we couldn't be included.

Know member states can decide public health policy but not sure if it stretches to travel.

MerlinSouthDub · 11-07-2020 04:56PM

From the dashboard, the number of positive test results has increased by 40 since yesterday. Just under 9000 tests yesterday so the positivity rate remains low

ACitizenErased · 11-07-2020 05:00PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

From the dashboard, the number of positive test results has increased by 40 since yesterday. Just under 9000 tests yesterday so the positivity rate remains low

41 to be exact. Bit of an increase again but there’s a couple of hospital admissions compared to yesterday.

Tests conducted last 24hrs: 8929
Positive tests last 24hrs: 41
Total tests last 7 days: 46255
Positivity rate last 7 days: 0.3%

stephenjmcd · 11-07-2020 05:04PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

41 to be exact. Bit of an increase again but there’s a couple of hospital admissions compared to yesterday.

Tests conducted last 24hrs: 8929
Positive tests last 24hrs: 41
Total tests last 7 days: 46255
Positivity rate last 7 days: 0.3%

0.3% postivity is still outstanding in my books. Targeted testing doing an excellent job.

The whole testing set up compared to at the start is night and day.

Would expect the hosptial numbers to fluctuate now even more so with low numbers in hospital. Always seems to be very little movement in terms of discharges at the weekend

MerlinSouthDub · 11-07-2020 05:07PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

0.3% postivity is still outstanding in my books. Targeted testing doing an excellent job.

The whole testing set up compared to at the start is night and day.

Would expect the hosptial numbers to fluctuate now even more so with low numbers in hospital. Always seems to be very little movement in terms of discharges at the weekend

With the targeted testing, they are likely to be picking up a decent number of asymptomatic cases. It would be interesting if they told us how many of the daily cases were caught through the targeted testing versus test referral due to symptoms

Santy2015 · 11-07-2020 05:08PM

The positivity rate is dropping everyday. As long as we keep testing between 8/10k a day we’ll find cases as well

KrustyUCC · 11-07-2020 05:08PM

Expecting poor numbers again today so

More ammo for Martin before phase 4

DebDynamite · 11-07-2020 05:08PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Saw somewhere that it was 16 people on the flight. That all sounds a bit like the "huge" numbers invading our ports back in March.

If you listen to the piece, you’ll hear that it was 16 people on one flight, however, other flights arriving in from the US that morning had 50/70 people on board

drunkmonkey · 11-07-2020 05:09PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

41 to be exact. Bit of an increase again but there’s a couple of hospital admissions compared to yesterday.

We closed the schools at 43...we closed the country shortly after. Mandatory quarantine in specific locations is starting to look like the only show in town.
On the border question we can't stop them crossing the border but we sure as hell can stop them crossing border county southern borders, south Donegal border etc.

ACitizenErased · 11-07-2020 05:09PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Expecting poor numbers again today so

More ammo for Martin before phase 4

I’m expecting mid-30s

stephenjmcd · 11-07-2020 05:10PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

With the targeted testing, they are likely to be picking up a decent number of asymptomatic cases. It would be interesting if they told us how many of the daily cases were caught through the targeted testing versus test referral due to symptoms

Yeah it would be an excellent bit of information. The only pieces we've been given are 5 asymptomatic in 1 nursing home and another 1 in another nursing home. But they were given in the Dail as an example and the 1 case by the examiner.

Would be great to get a breakdown of postives from referals and postives in targeted areas. Not sure if its possible but reporting the total of cases that are asymptomatic might also be useful

stephenjmcd · 11-07-2020 05:12PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Expecting poor numbers again today so

More ammo for Martin before phase 4

he'd want to target the areas where the cases are occurring. We seem to be picking up clusters, big amounts related to travel and house parties at the moment.

I'd rather be in a controlled environment such as a pub than a house party at the moment.

KrustyUCC · 11-07-2020 05:12PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I’m expecting mid-30s

That wouldn't be bad in fairness

Can't wait for RTE to be harping about upward trend

stephenjmcd · 11-07-2020 05:14PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

That wouldn't be bad in fairness

Can't wait for RTE to be harping about upward trend

An upward trend as Dr Glynn has stated many times wouldn't have been unexpected. Likewise prof Nolan said they knew cases would rise, but the main thing was to pinpoint where they were coming from and to keep a the cases at manageable levels and to be fair they seem to be fairly well on top of that.

We're doing 6,000 more tests a day than 2 weeks ago with a positivity rate of 0.3%

hotmail.com · 11-07-2020 05:14PM

We're too sychophantic to American culture and money.

The flights from America should be banned outright with no prejudice.

Some of the opposition from banning flights from America are coming from the Trump critics which is weird. Too much love for the Americans is dangerous.

Mortelaro · 11-07-2020 05:16PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

0.3% postivity is still outstanding in my books. Targeted testing doing an excellent job.

The whole testing set up compared to at the start is night and day.

Would expect the hosptial numbers to fluctuate now even more so with low numbers in hospital. Always seems to be very little movement in terms of discharges at the weekend

Nursing home staff procedure local to me is a complete clothes change on arrival
They are now tested for Covid-19 forthnightly

Ae Fond Kiss · 11-07-2020 05:16PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I don't get this praise for Leo and the abuse towards MM? ( Personally both are useless)
Leo abdicated all decision making to Nphet , why didn't he call a halt to inward US travel he was still Taoiseach up to a few weeks ago. He was aware of the sh*tstorm in the states.
Martin is a g*b****e his only goal was to become Taoiseach, now that he is he hasn't a clue how to do the job.

Agreed. You'd swear we had swapped Abraham Lincoln for Donald Trump.

I suppose quoting from 'Mean Girls' is a great quality to have during a pandemic.

Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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